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  1. Another one down, another step nearer. Nothing was decided by this victory but some people seem to be seeing it as “the day the title was won”. I’m not sure why, to be honest. Remove the name of the opponent and the situation is just that we beat an average team at Anfield. Would the reaction have been the same if we’d beaten Palace or West Ham? No. But because it’s United we’ve got Gary Neville talking about the Salah goal as “the moment the title was decided”. That goal didn’t even decide the game as we’d won anyway. In terms of results that showed the title was heading to Anfield, this is way down the list for me and it’s giving United far too much credit to suggest that this was some kind of ‘signature win’. United are a mediocre team right now and to be completely honest I’m frustrated we didn’t beat them by more goals. I suppose City dropping two points the day before plays a part, but we’re miles ahead anyway and, funny as it was, I don’t think the Palace equaliser was especially significant. Hopefully City continue to drop points though just so we can wrap this up as soon as possible. It’s hilarious listening to Solksjaer trying to cling to little positives. “We did better than in the game here last year”. Not really. It was pretty much the same type of “please don’t hurt us” type of performance that we’re seeing from virtually every opponent we come across these days. In terms of what we’ve seen at Anfield of late, United’s display was slightly better than Sheffield United and significantly worse than Watford and Wolves. If they want to take some positive little crumbs from that, let them. I think it’s fucking hilarious. Ole is hilarious. He’s so deluded and so cheerful I just don’t have it in me to dislike him. He’s a funny guy. Like a clown. He amuses me. I mean come on, “They don’t carve you open” is an all time classic. The stuff about us being direct and playing a lot of long balls is 100% true, but to suggest we don’t carve teams open is embarrassing for him. Almost as embarrassing as his lowering of expectations and attempts to give himself credibility with claims like “it shows how much we’re respected that Man City didn’t rest players against us”. He’s like a little goblin faced Norwegian Hodgson. The long ball thing is interesting though. I think it was more of an observation than a dig, but ‘long ball’ has a stigma attached to it as it immediately makes you think Tony Pulis alehouse footy. The long ball has become a really useful weapon for us. Look at how we destroyed Everton with it for example. It’s been a definite ploy, especially this season, and it’s made us even more dangerous than we were before. Remember when we couldn’t break down the shit teams who just wanted to sit back? That doesn’t work anymore, because we’re constantly turning them around with balls over the top. It doesn’t even matter if it works. Just the threat of it is enough to stretch teams because they have to drop off. And when they drop off, Bobby can find space between the lines. Basically, we can hurt teams in every conceivable fashion now which makes us virtually unstoppable. We’ve scored in every single league game and now we’re not conceding any at the other end. We’re so fucking good now that ‘big’ teams are actually getting credit for not getting walloped and for having a ten minute spell where they looked alright. This was almost exactly like last week at White Hart Lane. United were marginally less cowardly than Spurs, I’ll give them that. But this was still men against boys and on another day the scoreline would have reflected that. I’ve never been less concerned about a game with United. I couldn’t have been any more relaxed about it beforehand. I expected us to not only beat them, but to embarrass them. To humiliate them. To slap them all over Anfield and put them in their place after they had the temerity to take points off us earlier in the season. The only reason that didn’t happen was some poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a VAR ref with ideas above his station. We dominated for forty minutes, had a bad five minute spell before the half and then came out flying after the break before we ended up having to just see it out for the last 15. I thought we started a little slowly but that may well have been down to United surprising us by pressing high up the field rather than just sitting back. I’m not sure we expected that, and it was a little uncomfortable at times seeing us playing out from the back and taking risks. We gave the ball away a few times but they weren’t good enough to do anything with it. Rashford not playing was a bad deal because he’s the only United player who I felt could have potentially hurt us. He’s their best player and he’s been carrying their whole team for weeks. No wonder his back is fucked. Once we adapted to what they were doing we took complete control. Virg powered in a header to give us the lead and Bobby should have made it two soon after but put his shot wide after being picked out by Mo. He did have the ball in the net shortly after and a finish of that quality deserved better than to be chalked off by VAR. That disallowed goal has genuinely irritated me, more because of the manner it was ruled out than the injustice of it not being a foul. Had Craig Pawson actually blown for a foul I’d have been ok with it as to me that was a call that could have gone either way. Virgil didn’t foul him but any time there’s contact with a keeper and he flaps at the ball, a whistle usually follows. So had the ref given it as a foul then no problem. Where the problem occurs is that the tit watching the video somehow decided that was a clear and obvious error. He’s perfectly entitled to look at that and think “I reckon it’s a foul”, but that’s not his remit. His job is to ask “is that a clear mistake by the referee?” and the fact is that it wasn’t. It was a subjective call that could have gone either way, so in that scenario they’re supposed to go with the decision on the field. The question I have is that given it wasn’t a clear error but it may have been a foul, why didn’t they just ask Pawson to take a look at it to see if he still felt the same way? Just say to him “that’s a 50-50 call that Craig, do you want to take a look to make sure you’re happy with it?”. If he takes a look and then decides he made a mistake, then fine, I’m good with that. The way it actually went down though was wrong. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I didn’t celebrate the ‘goal’ anyway. I mean, I stood up and applauded the brilliant finish, but I didn’t fully let myself go because even if the goal would have counted there was always first going to be a VAR check to see if Virg fouled De Gea. Bobby celebrated though, he’s not missing out on a chance to bring out the finger guns. A lot of teams would feel sorry for themselves after that but I looked at our lads and you would never have known that a major decision had gone against them. The body language right across the team was as though it had never happened. Even afterwards when Virg spoke about it he said “I didn’t think I fouled him but you have to go with what VAR says”. If that goal had stood I’m thoroughly convinced we’d have wiped the floor with United and scored four or five. We just needed that second goal to break their resistance and open the floodgates. We had the ball in the net again through the magnificent Wijnaldum, but he’d strayed an inch or two offside. The linesman flagged on that one so the celebrations were cut short immediately. Still, there was always the possibility he’d gotten it wrong and VAR would intervene. Sadly not. Mané should have scored after being released by Salah but his shot was too close to De Gea who saved with his foot. He saves more with his feet than he does with his hands, that prick. He’d been booked for his protests when Pawson had initially given the goal, and he’s lucky it was only a yellow considering how aggressive he was. Shame he’s not that aggressive when challenging for aerial balls, the fucking lightweight. It’s a source of immense frustration to me that the second goal didn’t come. Obviously winning is the main thing and I’m happy about that. I just think that one of the few things this team is yet to accomplish is to deliver the absolutely fucking mullering of United that’s been coming to them for a couple of seasons. The last five minutes of the half were sloppy and United enjoyed much more possession than they had previously. They didn’t do much with it and the only clear chance they had was when Wan-Bissaka stole in at the back post and his cross-shot was almost converted by Andreas. I thought Wan-Bissaka was offside anyway, but I haven’t seen any replays of it so I’m not sure. Andreas had a speculative shot from distance that Alisson saved comfortably but other than that Alisson’s goal was rarely threatened. They only had one chance in the second half too, which Martial bottled and smashed over the bar. I mentioned this last week, we’ve been lucky at times this season because other teams are getting chances but not taking them. It’s partly luck and partly the pressure opponents are under. Chances are few and far between against us so when they come there’s a greater pressure to convert. Martial buries that more often than not. That being said, we miss plenty of chances ourselves. The number of close games we’ve had this season is mainly due to an inability to kill teams off when we’re on top. It’s the one weakness we have. We’ve been wasteful on too many occasions. Frankly it was ridiculous that United were still in with a shout late on in this game. The start we made to the second half was blistering and should have been enough to blow them away. No-one can live with us when we do that and it’s a miracle United managed to survive that spell. Salah missed a sitter when he failed to convert a Robertson cross. Mané then fired over after being brilliantly found by Firmino. Hendo was denied by an incredible save by De Gea who somehow managed to tip his shot onto the post. Sadio then got in behind them but dragged his shot just past the post. It was an incredible sequence of play but United somehow managed to weather the storm. Klopp made his first chance when he sent on Lallana for Ox. I thought Ox had been decent without ever really making that much of a mark on the game. Lallana never got going though. He fell over the first time he got the ball and it took him a while to get with the pace of the game. Origi and Fabinho both came on late, replacing Mané and Bobby. Those changes were a response to the way the game had gone and the fact we were now on the back foot protecting a one goal lead. We’ve seen that before, with Mo sent through the middle for the counter attacking threat. It works well because we defend so resolutely and because Virgil seems to head away every ball that comes into the box. He won header after header and that’s the main difference between us now and us a few years ago when we would so often find it difficult to hold onto leads. Teams would just keep putting it in the mixer and eventually it would pay off. Now they do it and Van Dijk just heads it straight back out. Every. Time. He was imperious and I’m not going to argue with anyone who had him as man of the match. He wasn’t my choice, but he was flawless. Hendo got the award on Sky but he wasn’t my choice either, although it was a toss up between him and Wijnaldum. Gini gets it for me because in these big games he just nips off into the phonebox and changes into his Superman costume. In these high profile games he seems to become stronger, quicker and more skilful. It’s amazing to see and that’s why he just shades it for me. Robbo deserves a mention too just for the sheer amount of running he did. He was up and down the flank all day, whereas on the opposite side Trent was not the factor he normally would be. United clearly decided they were going to remove that threat and they packed that side of the field with two left backs and also had Martial hugging the left flank. Salah’s performance was the most interesting talking point I think. My feeling while watching the game was that once again he was having a stinker against United. On reflection, I completely over-stated that as he was a constant danger. Not everything he tried came off but he did create chances for others and he deserved his goal at the end just for his sheer persistence. It’s disappointing that once again we didn’t give them the beating they deserve but I’m not blaming anybody. It’s just one of those things. The ball didn’t break for us on the day and they rode their luck. If the second goal had come in the first hour, more would have followed. It didn’t come, and just like last week at Spurs it then becomes edgy. Not because of anything we’re doing, but just because the situation is precarious and the opponent then has to come out and have a go in the last 15 minutes. It’s happened loads of times this season but we defend really well and it’s not like we ever look as though we’re hanging on. There’s always the risk that they’ll get a flukey goal or someone will hammer one in from 30 yards though, so it makes for a stressful ending to the game. It felt edgy at the time but watching it back again United created virtually nothing late on despite dominating possession. We had them at arm’s length and wasted a couple of very good opportunities to kill them on the break. Eventually we got them though with the last kick of the game. What a moment that was. The more pragmatic thing for Alisson to have done once he claimed the ball was to keep hold of it and waste time. There were only seconds left after all. It just shows how alert he is though that he knew they’d thrown everyone forward and that Mo was all alone. It was the smart move to leather the ball up to him because even if it didn’t lead to a goal, the ball was going to end up deep in United’s half anyway. It did lead to a goal though. An iconic, live long in the memory type of goal. A David Ngog if you will. Ok, forget that, this was way more iconic than Ngog’s goal but it was similar in the way it was taken and the celebrations that followed. Credit to Salah because it was brilliantly taken. That really wasn’t easy because as good as the pass from Alisson was, Mo had to wait a second before gathering it and that slowed him down long enough to allow the lightning quick Dan James to get back at him. The way Mo just held him off and prevented him getting close enough to make a challenge was superb. The finish itself wasn’t great and I thought De Gea should have saved it, but everything else about that goal was glorious, including the celebration. Off came the shirt and out came the abs. As a rule, I’m not one for condoning the shirt off celebration as it just means a needless booking that might prove costly somewhere down the line. When it’s a last second goal at the Kop end against United though, then all bets are off. He could have taken his shorts off as well if he’d wanted and he’d get no criticism from me. It was funny seeing Alisson doing a Pepe Reina and arriving first on the scene for the celebrations. It’s even funnier when you watch the replay of him running and realise he wasn’t actually moving that fast, it’s just that everyone else was too exhausted to be arsed running to Mo. Alisson is gesturing “come on!” at them all as he runs past, and they’re all just standing around like “nah you’re alright, lad. We’re fucked”. Eventually I think he shamed them all into joining in. I looked at the rest of the players and a lot of them were seriously considering just staying in their own half as they were out on their feet. In the end they ambled over to join in at their own leisure. I’m running out of things to say about this season we’re having. The points total, the records being broken and the historic stuff we’re seeing. We’re almost over the line and it’s only January. It’s unprecedented what we’re seeing and it’s not about if we win the title now, it’s only a case of when we win it. The questions still to be answered are whether we can break the record for the most points and if we could go undefeated. I’m not thinking about either of those as there are so many games still to be played, and next up for us is the toughest fixture we have left. Yes, I’m saying Wolves away is a more difficult game for us than a trip to the Etihad. We know how to play against City and they fear us. Wolves don’t fear us and they’ll still be steaming about the perceived injustice they feel about their recent loss at Anfield. They’re a tough nut to crack when they face the better sides because it suits their counter attacking style. It’s a tough game and to me it’s the biggest threat remaining to our unbeaten record. The good thing is that it’s a Thursday so we have an extra day to prepare for it and we should be at full strength. I’m looking forward to it but I have more trepidation about this game than I’ve had all season. On a final note, I want to mention the atmosphere. It was great. The Kop was loud all day and I can only remember hearing the United fans once or twice all day. I could see from my seat that they were signing and making noise, but I genuinely couldn’t hear them because the noise from our crowd drowned them out. I think the new Main Stand may have changed the acoustics of the stadium too because I used to always be able to hear the away fans and what they were singing, but often this season I’ve barely heard a peep. The main reason though is the noise from our fans has increased. In some of the quieter games you can hear the away fans, but in the two games against United and Everton I’ve barely heard a peep. I can imagine the Mancs went through their full repertoire of scummy chants, but the only things I heard all day was “United” and “Always the victims”. The rest of their shite was completely drowned out by the Kop. Actually wait, I tell a lie. I did hear them giving it the “where’s your famous atmosphere” at one point, which is right up there with Solskjaer and his “they don’t carve you open”. It’s great, they’re completely deluded and have no idea just how far away they are from where they were. We’re back on our perch and there’s fuck all they can do about it now. Team: Alisson; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Van Dijk, Robertson; Henderson, Wijnaldum, Oxlade-Chamberlain (Lallana); Salah, Firmino (Origi), Mané (Fabinho):
    32 points
  2. In short, and though it’s no doubt been posted half a dozen times already but I haven’t read the thread fully, in the absence of Kevin D:
    13 points
  3. Walking through the Kop after the game and hearing "we're going to win the league" felt right, it certainly wouldn't have at any point before in this season and I haven't heard it sung at Anfield before then. I've used "if" to qualify almost every single talk of the title so far and until it's mathematically impossible to be caught, I'll continue that. I heard Leicester fans singing it before xmas and thought what the fuck, how's that working out for them? On the way home I stuck Radio Merseyside on and a Liverpool fan was saying that 'when we won it, it would come as an anti climax' because he had resigned himself to winning it a while ago. I do not know what planet that particular fan lives on but no matter what or when we eventually clinch it, it will not be a fucking anti climax, anything but. There will be tears from grown men, most of them will be men that took the last time we won it for granted, I will be one of them. I never thought I'd live to see it, I never in a million years imaged that 'if' we won it we would do it this way. The season so far has been nothing I could have imagined in my wildest dreams. Years ago I used to play championship manager on shift on a 486 laptop, you could in those days reboot if you lost and go again. I did this sometimes to amuse myself and at one point by rebooting a fair bit. I was sitting in roughly the same league position as we are now. Whenever I look at the league table I'm reminded of that and have to pinch myself that we're in this position not because some slacker is rebooting but because we are fucking incredible and that as a Liverpool fan we are being spoilt on a weekly basis. I believe we will win the league, I don't see anything wrong with saying that. We haven't won it yet and as fans we have to continue the support and push the team on because they don't think we've won it yet and rightly so. Luckily we are blessed to have an amazing manager that won't let the players become complacent because that's the moment things go wrong and spiral. Before every game I say to my mate, you know what I'd love us to just have a game today when I can relax and we can wrap it up early and stick some of the kids on for a runabout. It rarely happens even if after the game you can look back and see that for all the worry we were rarely bothered by the opposition. Well maybe once the season is done we can do the same, I hope so.
    12 points
  4. In other news, if the points gap between Liverpool and Everton was a team, it would be fifth in the league.
    11 points
  5. He's an odd one. Part creepy fucker, part bravado and all Moyesian tragedy. In interviews he puffs up with Tim Sherwood levels of delusions of grandeur; yet, pitch-side he has none of the big gilet throwing legend's mental swagger to intimate he actually believes his own bullshit. Appearing more like a lad on work experience, who knows deep down his ill fitting suit and attache case - secretly carrying his Transformers lunch box - isn't fooling anyone.
    10 points
  6. I think we should spare a thought for the elderly Alex Ferguson. His life's work reduced to ashes before his eyes in a few short years, first his city neighbours and then his greatest rivals first burning his legacy to the ground, then pissing on the remains, his true love mistreated, abused and turned into a national laughing stock... I'm sorry, I need to pop to the bathroom and clean up.
    9 points
  7. That's one of the greatest knee slides ever. I often think that the only reason I didn't become a world famous professional footballer is because I know I couldn't do a decent knee slide. Similarly I have not taken my coaching badges because I can't whistle loud enough.
    7 points
  8. Dropped into the Jurgen Klopp thread on Red Café to have a bit (lot) of a gloat and stumbled upon this:
    5 points
  9. Saturday Jan 11: Spurs 0 L 1 We were nowhere near our best today but we were still way better than sorry shithouse Spurs, who went out there just hoping not to get smacked around. Just because Mourinho said afterwards that they did well and deserved a point, a lot of people seem to have bought into it. They deserved nothing. They played like a plucky little underdog in the cup. I was embarrassed for them as they’ve always been able to go toe to toe with us since Klopp has been here. Now look at them. Pitiful. You know the great thing about our lads though? They won at Spurs but they were pissed off. You could see it. They were genuinely disappointed in themselves. Hendo was fuming afterwards and you could see him say to Klopp on the pitch “not good enough. That was fucking shit”. Virgil wasn’t happy either, and Klopp reckons when he went to congratulate Bobby he was met with “I know, I should have scored more. I’m sorry”. The standards they are setting for themselves are the reason that I’m so sure this title race is over. There’s just no way these lads are going to lose six or seven games. There’s more chance that the gap gets bigger rather than smaller. We’ve now officially had the best ever start in the history of the big five European leagues. What we’re seeing it truly historic shit. It’s literally never been done before. 20 wins from 21 games. Incredible stuff. We are a few months away from this team being the reigning champions of England, Europe and the World. Who’d have thought. Even just a couple of years ago it seemed well out of reach, but look at us now. The u18s won again too. They went behind int he first minute and Stoke but equalised before half time and won it with five minutes left. These boys love a late goal even more than the senior lads. Sunday Jan 12: City smash Villa into the middle of next week but Guardiola is still saying the title has gone and we’re too far ahead. Why do so many people think he’s just playing mind games here? Guardiola has a higher opinion of Klopp and his team than pretty much anybody in football. He’s always talking about how good we are, and he was doing it before we were even challenging them. So now he finds himself 14 points behind having played a game more. Of course he thinks it’s over, why wouldn’t he? It isn’t mind games, he just knows how good we are because we matched them stride for stride last season when they had to be absolutely perfect over the last few months to hold us off. He knows they aren’t clawing back a 17 point deficit. Nat Phillips is going back to finish his loan spell in Germany. He’s probably never going to play for us again but what a cool story he’s got to tell, cutting short a loan spell to come back and help us beat Everton, before then giving it the arl Josemi “and now my work here is done”. Great stuff. Almost as great as this story from a London journalist about Berbatov from yesterday… "Dimitar Berbatov came into the media cafe at Spurs about 10 minutes before kick off, looking for food. Grabbed a roll, but the catering manager came over and asked him where his pre-match meal voucher was (all media get given them). "While his colleague argued his case, having taken one himself, explaining who the Bulgarian was, Berbatov casually buttered his roll, stuffed the whole thing into his mouth and stood in front of the woman with it hanging half out as if to say 'what you going to do about it now?' "This sent the catering manager to a new level of outrage at this Bulgarian and his devil may care attitude. While she raged, Berbatov simply smiled with buttered roll still hanging out of his mouth before walking out of the room. Dimitar Berbatov - doing what he wants since 1981." Meanwhile, Fabinho says he wants to welcome his mate Mbappe to Liverpool. You and me both, son. You and me both. Monday Jan 13: Some spectacular footy played by the 23s tonight in a 5-0 win against Southampton. Sensational stuff, especially from the skipper Jones. He’s far too good for this level now and the opposition usually can’t get near him. I know it’s tough with the number of senior lads ahead of him, but we need to get him some minutes, somehow, because he’s special. Elliott and Williams were both class again too, as was Pedro. The new lad up front scored a couple and if this is going to be the regular line up for the 23s now they’re going to be fun to watch for the rest of the season. The midfield has been revamped now with Christie-Davies going out on loan. The trio that played tonight are very easy on the eye. Pedro, Clarkson and Cain are all brilliant in possession Tell you what really grabbed my attention though. Hoever was only on the bench. Maybe there’s a fitness reason for that, or perhaps a message is being sent. He started the season on the brink of the senior squad. He was Trent’s deputy and also an option at centre back. Recently though he’s been nowhere near. He didn’t make the team against Everton and now he’s not making the starting line up for the 23s. International duty has fucked his season right up. He was brilliant for Holland in those youth tournaments but while he was away Neco was flying past him in the pecking order and now he can’t get in at centre back ahead of Van den Berg and Boyes. Tuesday Jan 14: So, a report reveals that Everton have lost a shit load of cash over the last 12 months. £110m in losses or something. Serious shit. They had their AGM tonight and Moshiri didn’t show up. Why? Because he was having a really important meeting with someone who wants to invest in naming rights to their new stadium. Fuck me, not even Evertonians are gullible enough to not see through this shit, surely? Hold on, it’s actually true. Kind of. The investor is his mate Uzmanov (long rumoured to have an unofficial stake in the Blues) and he’s paying £30m just to be given first refusal on the naming rights to the phantom new stadium. Jesus, that’s so fucking blatant even Man City will be looking at that and going ‘dunno about that lads, it’s a bit obvious like’. You know, FFP may as well just be fucked off completely now because teams aren’t playing by the rules and unless you’re an Italian club there seems to be no punishment for it. Actually that’s not strictly true as Championship sides have been hammered in the past too, and Derby are currently looking at a potential 12 point punishment after their chairman bought the stadium for more than it was worth and rented it back to the club. I genuinely don’t get how Everton are being allowed to get away with what they’ve been doing. They lost £110m and yet they’re still throwing all that cash at Ancelotti? If FFP is ever actually enforced in the Premier League, then Man City will be reigniting their rivalry with Macclesfield in League One and Everton will be there right alongside them, blaming that whole shit on us. Wednesday Jan 15: Suarez is out for four months after needing knee surgery. He was indestructible when he was here but age is catching up with him now. Shame for him, but at least it means there’s no chance of him having his heart broken by us again. I really, really hope we get to play them again you know. This time it might be worth playing the FA Cup side just to make it a bit more fair. So the AFCON next year will be back to taking place in the winter. I’m sure there’s some perfectly simple explanation for it, and it will be something to do with FIFA acting in their own self interest. Loads of Reds are up in arms about it because it means no Mo, Sadio or Naby for possibly as long as six weeks. At this point I’m not arsed. It’s so far ahead that frankly next season isn’t something that concerns me at all. I just want that title this year and I’ll worry about anything else afterwards. I’ve long felt that once we win that title I’m not even going to care about what comes next because I just want the monkey off our back. No doubt I’ll feel a lot differently when we’re playing a dozen games with Mané and Salah though. As for Naby, it’s no better than even money that he’d be available to play for us anyway as he must have missed as many games as he’s been available for. I suppose another part of the reason I’m not stressing about this is because I figure that Bobby and Mbappe can hold down the fort until they return anyway. Thursday Jan 16 Roma want Shaq and have had a loan offer turn down. What the fuck is it with Italian clubs and their loan offers? There’s no way we’d be letting Shaq go anyway while there is so much to play for, but they could at least make us an offer that might make us consider it. If they’d come in and offered £30m then who knows. It’s just mad though isn’t it? Why would we let any first team squad member go on loan? What the fuck are they even thinking? It’s actually annoyed the shit out of me to be honest. These fuckers tried to the same shit with Lovren last summer and have clearly learnt nothing. Even Inter Milan are paying actual cash to sign soon to be out of contract 53 year old Ashley Young, so where do Roma get off trying to insult us like this? In other news today, apparently UEFA changed the formation of their ‘team of the year’ just so they could get Ronaldo in. It was meant to be 4-3-3- but Ronaldo was the fourth striker in the voting, so they went 4-2-4 and dropped Ngolo Kante. It’s really not that big of a deal but it is completely baffling to me how Ronaldo needs to be cow towed to like this. He’s had a great career and won a shit tonne of awards both individually and collectively. All things come to an end though. Ronaldo is 35 in a few weeks. I’d say he is undoubtedly the best 35 year old to ever play the game, but Father Time is undefeated and eventually he’ll get Ronaldo too. Why are UEFA so arsed about it though? What do they think is going to happen if he doesn’t make their ‘Team of the Year’? It’s just fucking weird. Meanwhile, Phil Babb thinks we should sign Koulibaly to play alongside Big Virg because it’s the only position where we might actually need strengthening. Initially I rolled my eyes when I saw that, but in fairness to Babb he said his concern was just with the fitness records of Gomez, Matip and Lovren, and he’s right on that score. The problem is what do you do when everyone is fit? If we signed Koulibaly, presumably it would be at the expense of Lovren who would move on, which is fine, but where would that leave Gomez? He could be our centre back for the next dozen years, so why replace him with someone who will play every week? Because Koulibaly is currently better than Joe, but if Joe is playing every week (or at least most weeks) then he’s quickly going to become one of the best around. If we paired Koulibaly with Van Dijk we might never concede a goal again, and it wouldn’t be fair to everyone else. Besides, we need that money for Mbappe. Friday Jan 17: Why is it any time we play the Mancs or Bueshite, we’re subjected to those God awful ‘Combined XI’ things? At least in the past there was a discussion to be had, but but not any more. Even Dave Prentice couldn’t find room for one Everton player in his line up, but ESPN somehow managed to sneak Maguire and Rashford in theirs. Rashford is United’s best player but he got in ahead of Mo Salah. I mean seriously? You can make a case that he could edge Divock out of a spot on the bench, but that’s it. Rashford over Salah is fucking crazy talk. As for Maguire? What’s that based on? Price tag, presumably, because he hasn’t pulled up any trees since going there and there are actually video compilations of his individual performances that are doing the rounds online just ripping the piss out of him. Picking him over Lovren is laughable. Taking him over Matip is embarrassing. Going with him over Joey G is fucking criminal. He’s better than Phil Jones though, I’ll give him that. Finally, the u23s lost 3-0 at Wigan tonight. Shite it was. They were well beaten and I switched off before the end as it was doing my head in. The defence looked awful and the attack was toothless without Elliott and Jones. I’m struggling to see what they saw in Van den Berg because he doesn’t even look as good a player as Morgan Boyes right now. Need to have faith though as we haven’t got too many transfers wrong in the last couple of years, and he is still a kid. ...and that was the week that was
    5 points
  10. 2 day Winter skills course in the Cairngorms. -16 wind chill on day 1 was a bit rough.
    4 points
  11. “If only Michael Owen started his career at United he would never have got injured through overuse”, eh. How do you like them apples now, you smug cunts.
    4 points
  12. Good piece by Ken Early today. Ken Early: Solskjaer’s short-term gambles proving very costly for United Short-sighted risking of injured players shows loyal club man also motivated by vigorous self-interest Another big match against rivals, another Rorschach test for fans of Manchester United. What did they see in that 90 minutes at Anfield? Was it an embarrassingly one-sided defeat that proved United are further behind Liverpool than at any point since they were relegated in the mid-1970s? Or was it another spirited display – a brave rearguard action that could even have ended in a draw, if Aaron Wan-Bissaka could cross – a kind of moral victory that shows the heart of this team is in the right place under Ole Gunnar Solskjaer? Under Solskjaer there has been little obvious evidence of progress. In fact the team looks worse than it did during the surprise winning run with which he began a little over a year ago, and his points-per-game record this season is worse than José Mourinho’s in the half-season preceding his sacking. Yet most Manchester United fans still seem prepared to persevere with him. The argument for Solskjaer is emotional. As a celebrated former player who distinguished himself with his loyalty and team-mindedness, he “gets” the club. He is a kind of bulwark against the ownership and corporate management, who are motivated only by profit, who have stated openly that they can keep making money without winning and who seem happy to keep doing so. Fans feel that with Solskjaer as coach, there is at least one part of the club hierarchy they can trust, at least one person who understands the club like they do, and who shares the same priorities. Solskjaer plays up to this. Asked ten days ago whether he would pressure the board to make signings in January, he gave a familiar speech. “I am not going to protect myself. I am going to do what is best for the club, what I think and we feel is right for the club and I will never put myself before the club. This is Man United and there is no ‘I’ in Manchester and for me there is no ‘I’ in this team and I could never ever do that, that’s not me. I am working for Man United, not for me.” The next day, Marcus Rashford was pictured on his way into Old Trafford holding a little plastic case that reporters quickly identified as a container for a Melmak fracture-healing ultrasound device, described as delivering “a convenient, 20 minute per day, home-based treatment which improves the speed of healing of fresh fractures and non-unions”. Fractures? Rashford didn’t appear to be showing the effects of any fresh fractures against Norwich: instead he underlined his importance to the team with two goals, bringing him up to 14 for the season in the league. On Wednesday United played Wolves in the FA Cup third round replay at Old Trafford. Rashford was on the bench, but after 64 minutes, with the game still goalless, Solskjaer turned to his top scorer to break the deadlock. A few minutes later Rashford was involved in a collision with Matt Doherty, which is a bit like being run into by a brick wall. He lay face down on the ground in obvious pain, then tried to play on for a few minutes before admitting defeat. He had lasted 16 minutes, but at least United had scored the winner during this brief sortie. Aggravated injury Rashford tweeted after the game: “Never want to feel like I’ve let my teammates, the club and most importantly the fans down so did my very best to carry on tonight and was gutted to come off.” The tone was odd. Surely he should know that there is no shame in getting injured? Only on Sunday was the full extent of his injury confirmed. It appears Rashford had gone onto the pitch against Wolves carrying one stress fracture and had come off it with two. The aggravated injury will keep him out for up to three months, which seriously damages United’s hopes of overtaking Chelsea for the fourth Champions League spot. Perhaps it could be dismissed as bad luck – if it was the first time that something like this had happened. But United players bravely playing through injury at the cost of making their injuries worse has become a definite theme of the season. On St Stephens’ Day, Scott McTominay injured his knee tackling Sean Longstaff in the opening exchanges. He played the rest of the first half on what was later confirmed to be torn knee ligaments. “The boy has got the biggest heart of the lot,” Solskjaer said. That big heart is not expected back in action until March. McTominay was replaced that day by Paul Pogba, who himself was just back from a lengthy injury lay-off. Pogba’s injury troubles started in September when he missed three matches due to an ankle problem. His return to the team surprisingly came in a Carabao Cup game against Rochdale – the sort of game when most big clubs play the reserves. It ended up going to extra time and Pogba played all 120 minutes. Before the next match, which was five days later against Arsenal, Solskjaer revealed that Pogba’s ankle had swollen up after the Rochdale game. Nevertheless he played the full 90 minutes against Arsenal. He then missed the next 17 matches with ankle problems. He returned to the team around Christmas, coming on against Watford and replacing McTominay against Newcastle. After Newcastle, the ankle flared up again to the extent that Pogba required surgery: another month or two on the sidelines. Are you beginning to see a pattern? The player who was causing most concern recently was actually not Rashford but rather Harry Maguire, who was reported to have torn a muscle in his hip in the FA Cup match against Wolves. After missing the Carabao Cup semi-final against Manchester City, a match in which City’s forwards had fun giving Phil Jones and Victor Lindelof the runaround, Maguire was surprisingly back in the first team against Norwich three days later. Managing selflessly “He’s a warrior,” said Solskjaer. “I had a problem with my muscle, but it was only a small muscle and I normally recover quick and can play with a bit of pain,” said Maguire. Only a small muscle? Some of them might be small but they’re all there for a reason. Nobody can question the determination of these Manchester United players (except Pogba, on whom it always seems to be open season) but perhaps discretion would be the better part of valour when it comes to managing these injuries. That they play through these injuries is at the discretion of a coach who claims to be managing selflessly in the long-term interests of the club, but who has actually taken a series of short-termist gambles for which several of his players are now paying the price. Solskjaer was once known as the baby-faced assassin, the sweet and innocent boy with the cold ruthless heart of a penalty-box killer. Let nobody be fooled into thinking that Solskjaer the coach, the humble custodian who speaks constantly of his pride at being chosen to serve such a great institution, is not also motivated by a vigorous self-interest.
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  13. The best part of his interview was the moment he realised Geoff Shreeves had the exact details of Rashford's injury. You could see his little heart break at the thought that the club is so fucked they can't even control the whispers coming out of the club. Today was perfect really, battered them but didn't hammer them. Keeps him in the job until the end of the season and probably beyond. Need him to stay in the job long enough ymto be humiliated in front of his own fans, Moyes style.
    4 points
  14. Robertson’s goal at Villa was a turning point, especially the way he hardly celebrated the goal and rushed back to start again. You could feel the determination and the self belief,
    3 points
  15. 1:23 - 1:25 - Nervous fake laugh followed by smelling a nearby turd. 2:02 - 2:07 - Brent-esque "let me just correct you there". 2:32 - Laughing at his only player that scores any goals being out for most of the rest of the season. He's fucking brilliant. You'd struggle to write such a convincing, unconvincing tit.
    3 points
  16. There will be a statue of this fella when he’s done here. The sheer fucking weight and toxicity of what seemed like a gypsy curse and he’s got us breaking our league drought via the most stately procession to it in history. The final thing rival fans have to cling to is “They’re so comfortable they won’t get the tension release of a nail-biting finish”.
    3 points
  17. This little video is absolutely wonderful. Instant nostalgia, instant goosebumps.
    3 points
  18. They can bring out a shampoo, Wash & Go Bankrupt
    3 points
  19. Trent Alexander-Arnold says that the team was made to show their fighting qualities but were well worth their 2-0 victory against Man United at Anfield on Sunday.After a goal in the first 15 minutes by Virgil Van Dijk coming from a pin-point corner from the 21 year-old, it appeared that the Reds were in the mood to put their bitter rivals to the sword.But despite carving out a fair share of chances, the scoreline stayed the same until second half injury time when Mo Salah finished superbly after a sublime clearance from Alisson.Alexander-Arnold is sure to be one of the key men for England this summer, and if you like England's chances then you should take advantage of some of these euro 2020 sign up offers. Speaking to the Official site after the game the right-back said it was a deserved victory.“I think it was well deserved from us. “They never had many clear-cut chances, we should have scored more than two goals but to get that goal at the end was the icing on the cake really – especially the fashion we did it.“Ali getting the assist which is unbelievable. “There’s comparisons with one we scored [against United] about 10 years ago and then he’s ran up and celebrated like Pepe Reina did! “So yeah, it was a good way to end the game.”However Alexander-Arnold said that there were things that they could improve on.“They obviously came to defend really and it was hard to break them down, but we created chances. Obviously we got the set-piece goal quite early on which helped us, scored a few that were ruled out in the first half and then should have finished the game off early in the second half. We were all over them for 10 minutes, they couldn’t get out, and obviously we’re disappointed with that because putting it to bed earlier then you’re not nervous near the end of the game. “That’s something that we obviously need to improve on a little bit.” The England international also discussed the impact of Van Dijk at set-pieces“He’s probably one of the, if not the, most prolific centre-halves in the league and to have someone like that, who is going into the box and putting his head on the end of things is fantastic“I think he’s showed that he’s probably the best centre-half in the world over the last 18 months and he showed that again today.“His defensive work probably goes a bit unnoticed because we’re so used to seeing it but you can’t take it for granted. "He's always there in the right places, the amount of headers he was getting out the box for us, winning headers off corners, is priceless for us.”
    2 points
  20. Everton fans will just be happy there's no red on their bit of the graph.
    2 points
  21. Call me fussy but sausages of any description shouldn't have green bits.
    2 points
  22. Messi/Ronaldo videos made by fanwanking twatbiscuits on Youtube. They'll all have over-the-top titles like "The day Messi/Ronaldo hatrick [deliberate typo] shook the world". They'll all consist of highlights from a run-of-the-mill La Liga game against the likes of Getafe or Levante. Two of the goals will be from penalties given for absolutely fuck-all. Plenty of pointing to the heavens (Messi) or self-congratulatory posing (Ronaldo). Multiple replays of the same moments on the ball that lead to nothing. Obligatory shit soundtrack. The first 30 seconds will be some crappy intro with Commodore 64 production values asking viewers to subscribe for more pointless content. The last 15 seconds will be hidden behind links to other fanwank videos. The comments section will be full of fanboys either slagging each other off or cracking one off via the medium of emoji.
    2 points
  23. Got out on my own today and it was superb. Swerved the path off when I got to the snow level and headed route 1 up the Corrie to test out my crampon and ice axe skills. Didn’t need the crampons but did need the axe. About 200m from the top I had my dinner in a beautiful spot then the clouds rolled in and it went fucking awful. Didn’t get a single view at all, it was a total white out and I was laughing my cock off at the absurdity of it. Still a boss day out though.
    2 points
  24. Let's try and get the points gap a CL place
    2 points
  25. I know the City (and probably Chelsea) figures are likely massively distorted, but this really puts their plight into perspective. They are absolutely miles behind, and even trebling their matchday income at the Unicorn Bowl isn't going to do a massive amount to help them close the gap. If they're going to have to sell their 'best' players over the coming seasons to balance the books, then there's little to no chance of them getting into Europe regularly either. They're fucked, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Leicester and Wolves move above them in revenue, possibly Newcastle too if they ever get an owner who isn't a cunt.
    2 points
  26. Cadamarteri. Branch. Jeffers. They really have been spoilt down the years haven’t they?
    2 points
  27. The moment we win the league will be when it's mathematically impossible for us to not win it. Anything else is just romantic ideas. That said, there is nothing wrong with that as this sport isn't robots playing robots watched by robots. It characters playing with their heart and soul watched by us, people who have watched and cheered and sung for decades, with memories of past glories and hope for the future. What's so weird about Salahs goal is that it netted us ZERO points, yet felt significant. It was us weathering another storm, and popping up at the other end with confirmation that we can come through it. It felt like a winner when the game was already won, and should have been finished at 30 mins. It was beautiful.
    2 points
  28. Haha! The headline on that: Gini Wijnaldum pulled down Maguire’s pants and hurled them into the wind
    2 points
  29. The signing that has every Liverpool fan pissing their pants. They've paid 80m for a worse defender than Johnny Evans.
    2 points
  30. He did similar last season too- played pretty much the same team during his glorious winning run, then ended up with 3 first half injuries when they played us in that 0-0.
    2 points
  31. This will be ten times more difficult than playing United. Wolves really are a good side and can see them causing us plenty of problems. Still fancy us to sneak it though.
    2 points
  32. Nope, for a while I had a thing about seeing the CL being a good last match to have watched and I was sick of Man City after the previous season, was convinced that oil money had ended our league. So after we'd got going I didn't want to watch the first game from this season and it be a shit result. It's not worked out too badly so far so will stick with it.
    2 points
  33. Watching a devout Christian run a 100 yards to embrace a devout Muslim was absolutely amazing. Been trying to figure out my favourite player from this team. It’s difficult because they’re all tremendous. But Ali has just got it for me. what a gang of lads.
    2 points
  34. Spurscommunity are starting to scare me. This actually sounds complimentary... KingSandro Well-Known Member Today at 6:35 PM #8,321 At least we've all had so long to get used to the idea of them being champions Thewobbler Well-Known Member Today at 6:40 PM #8,322 Running away with the league and they;re not that great. Laughable. 2 J JCRD Well-Known Member Today at 6:52 PM #8,323 Theyre a damn fantastic team - defensively solid, resolute, power and pace. The one thing id say they lack is someone with a bit of guile a bit of creativity but Firminho has that i think but perhaps int he middle of the park. The thing is their mentality is unreal. 4 O ohtottenham! Well-Known Member Today at 6:56 PM #8,324 Liverpool deserve absolutely, everything they've achieved. If a club does all the right things to support the vision of a great coach, great things happen! Tottenham? 4 Seafordian Spurs Well-Known Member Today at 6:57 PM #8,325 To go THAT close last season, win the CL and then pick up in the league where they left off with no signings and without breaking sweat ....it's unreal. They are on another planet in terms of athleticism and collective strength. Sickening. 2 SUIYHA Well-Known Member Today at 7:19 PM #8,326 What will probably be an unpopular opinion on this board: If Levy had given Poch a blank chequebook in 2017 and brought in all of these rumoured targets from the last couple of years (Grealish, Dybala etc) - we'd have still finished at least 10 points behind Liverpool this season. To which Levy might therefore say that the decisions to be "pragmatic" with resources has been justified, at least until we drop out of the Champions League. Not that I agree with that, we should be giving it a go at the very least and you never know what can happen in the cups. But it does really make me laugh when people say that we could be where Liverpool are if only we'd kicked on from 2017 and invested into the team. They've been jammy in a lot of games, but you can't argue with the stats. 91 points from a possible 93. Unbeaten in 39 league games and just one defeat in 61 league games. Not lost a league game at Anfield for almost three years, haven't even dropped a point there for a year. Seven successive clean sheets, and just 36 goals conceded since the start of LAST season (we conceded 35 in 2015/16 alone when Toby got into the PFA team of the season and we supposedly had one of the strongest defences in the league). I just don't see how Pochettino and the 2017 set-up would have kicked on to that level - the bar has very much been raised. We may have won a trophy or two. We may have run them close if we got lucky. But I just don't see that we'd have become this good, not even City have and they've backed their manager with a LOT more than ENIC ever could have even if Levy had just said "let's fucking go for it". I find them as annoying as any of you - but sometimes you've just gotta put your hands up and say fair enough. 1 Seafordian Spurs Well-Known Member Today at 7:36 PM #8,327 Only thing to hope for is an exhaustion and regression next season. City played better football in their pomp a couple of seasons ago but this lot are frighteningly pragmatic. And yes I agree. Between them and City the bar is very high. Not sure even Poch in his prime with us and a couple of proper quality additions would have bettered them. 1 M Monkey boy Well-Known Member Today at 7:46 PM #8,328 The only comfort I can take is that it’s been over for so long that majority of people will hardly be arsed when it comes to crowing them. I hate them with a passion but I just can’t understand how they are so dominant. Utd teams of past decades were amazing, aswell as Chelsea and City but they all dropped points here and there. These fuckers are just steam rollering everyone. 1 Seafordian Spurs Well-Known Member Today at 7:46 PM #8,329 Liverpool have a game in hand. O ohtottenham! Well-Known Member Today at 7:49 PM #8,330 Mate, we had no squad vision re everything. The aging and outgoings of key defenders and CBs, and much worse re our DMs, has just been a model of neglect! The overplaying of key players, 'cause we haven't invested in a squad is plain to see.. The simple outcomes are Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc., ain't the players they used to be. For me, it's a physical toll that's caught up with them more than anything else. We've simply neglected investment in our squad. City have different issues to us. They had the money to do anything they wish, but Pep messed up on the defensive side of their squad, and they got unlucky with injuries. Us? We have far more long-term, structural issues across our squad. 3 13VanDerBale13 Well-Known Member Today at 8:00 PM #8,331 Well it looks like United will join us in scrapping for a Striker on deadline day ... Seafordian Spurs Well-Known Member Today at 8:16 PM #8,332 Agree we have rinsed our key players and are now paying the price for it but, blimey, seems that Liverpool field the same team every week without fail. 1 Mr.D Old Member Today at 8:25 PM #8,333 Thta's not what i said though, is it? They're a fine team but the fact is that they've been there for the beating and teams haven't done the business. Today is a prime example. As was the Old Trafford fixture. Gb160 I could catch a monkey Today at 8:44 PM #8,334 And it's against West Ham, so thats 3 points and +5 gd right there. You just know that they'll do something really fucking cringey when they win it, give Klopp the keys to the city or build him a throne or some such shit. The worst thing about them is he's not going anywhere soon either. I might have to start following another sport altogether until he fucks off. Last edited: Today at 8:50 PM spursfan77 Well-Known Member Today at 8:45 PM #8,335 I’ve too many mates that are Liverpool “fans” to be happy about them winning the league. Especially how we’ve dominated them over the last decade and how much they’ve hated it. It’s going to be a fucking pain. 1 S Saoirse Well-Known Member 47 minutes ago #8,336 Liverpool should give us all hope. It did not take much at all in terms of time or money for them to go from where we are now to being clearly the best team in the world by some distance and steamrolling the league. It's a funny old game and who knows where we'll be 2-3 years down the line. 2 1 Seafordian Spurs Well-Known Member 28 minutes ago #8,337 They finished 8th in their first season under Klopp and went from there. No doubt it has been their manager that has been instrumental in getting them to belive (to even greater levels of their usual delusion). Here's hoping Jose can do something similar. 1 1 King of Otters Well-Known Member 18 minutes ago #8,338 To go from defeat in the CL final to winning it the next year, and then to finish second in the Prem on record points and to walk the league the next season shows unreal mentality. As you say, they deserve everything they get
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  35. Why didn’t he catch it? That’s one of the most ridiculous camera saves I’ve ever seen, topped off with an absurd display of self-aggrandisement from Pickford.
    2 points
  36. Look into my eyes Look into my eyes Dont look around the eyes Look into the eyes And you’re under You are a big, strong, scary tiger - afraid of nothing! Three....two....one....and you’re back in the room!
    2 points
  37. Id fucking love Real Madrid to beat them. A real snidey performance as well. Ramos doing some nasty shit to Sterling. Hate them both but badly want us to get Real madrid later on and fucking destroy them.
    2 points
  38. Everton just need to keep signing players who have failed or underwhelmed at other clubs and everything will be fine because it's worked so far, right?
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