Lib Dems

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

People who live in economic fantasy land are lunatics. The money we spent on servicing the debt interest alone would have been enough to build a new school every hour.

 

My objection to criticism of Swinson is absolutely that Labour were committed to doing the same.

 

I reject your characterisation of balancing the budget as "kicking fuck out of poor people".

I reject your characterisation of fair taxation and investment in welfare and public services as "economic fantasy land". Opinions, eh.

 

You still haven't explained the relevance of pointing out that Swinson wasn’t the only pro-austerity cunt. If you can find someone here who criticises Swinson, while cheerleading Brown and Darling, then please call that person a tribalist hypocrite.  If you can't, we'll just have to accept that you brought it up as a smokescreen. 

[aRdja]

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

 

Shes going to max and relax apparently.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

I bet she uses the word "holibobs".

 

[Jairzinho]

Swinson's at the wheel.

[Lee909]

1 hour ago, Jairzinho said:

Swinson's at the wheel.

Well she spent years driving this, supporting every austerity project she was told to

 

 

[Lee909]

No I'm wrong Stronts

This must be soneone else voting record

 

Also

Consistently voted against increasing the tax rate applied to income over £150,000Show votes0 votes for, 11 votes against, 1 absence, between 2012–2015

 

 

Generally voted against a banker’s bonus taxShow votes1 vote for, 13 votes against, 4 absences, between 2011–2015

 

 

Voted for raising England’s undergraduate tuition fee cap to £9,000 per yearShow votes1 vote for, 0 votes against, in 2010

 

 

Consistently voted for ending financial support for some 16-19 year olds in training and further educationShow votes2 votes for, 0 votes against, in 2011

 

 

Consistently voted for university tuition feesShow votes3 votes for, 0 votes against, 1 absence, between 2010–2017

 

 

Generally voted against greater regulation of hydraulic fracturing (fracking) to extract shale gasShow votes1 vote for, 2 votes against, in 2015

 

 

 

 

 

But we know the Lib Dens were so hard done by, and only sided with the tories and helped introduced austerity and higher university fees to save the nation. 

It wasn't their fault they propped up a government 

[lifetime fan]

This coalition ‘excuse’ bollocks is just that too. 

 

She had a worse voting record than Gove for fucks sake. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 hours ago, viRdjil said:

 

She spent the morning addressing a Young Lib Dems event in London, which finished in time for the young'uns to do the right thing as, y'know, democrats and join the Defend Democracy demo.  Swinson wasn't with them; she was... elsewhere.  I can only assume that the leader of the "Bollocks to Brexit" party was secretly doing something more important than trying to stop a No Deal coup.

 

 

(PS - Stronts, is there really any reason to neg that perfectly valid criticism of your leader.  I expect the Consistency Kid to be along shortly to accuse you of cultish behaviour.)

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

(PS - Stronts, is there really any reason to neg that perfectly valid criticism of your leader.  I expect the Consistency Kid to be along shortly to accuse you of cultish behaviour.)

It doesn't register with him. The fucking lying cunt. 

 

Be careful though mate, he might ring your work and cry. or even worse tell Dave you are a bully. 

[Bjornebye]

Ok i'll take that. Out of order to say cunt. You probably aren't a cunt in real life.

 

You are a liar though as you have just proved. 

[Denny Crane]

 

 

[sir roger]

2 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

 

 

Only managed to see the first few paragraphs of this but it seems a bit odd that Lib Dems would stand down in seats to help remainer Tories , interested if anyone could post the whole piece or give me the gist of who it is looking to help and who it is looking to thwart.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 28/08/2019 at 13:27, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

I never negged anyone just for disagreeing with me!

 

You could have waited at least one page before negging someone for disagreeing with you. 

 

(Or did you have some other beef with Ardja's post about Swinson lying about Corbyn's holiday, then pissing off herself?)

[Numero Veinticinco]

On 28/08/2019 at 12:41, Sixtimes Dog said:

 

Liberalism is about enhancing people's freedom. I'm pleased that the Lib Dems helped to free people from the burden of servicing government debt.

I'm trying not to bite, but it's very difficult to let that sit. 

[Sugar Ape]

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

Only managed to see the first few paragraphs of this but it seems a bit odd that Lib Dems would stand down in seats to help remainer Tories , interested if anyone could post the whole piece or give me the gist of who it is looking to help and who it is looking to thwart.

 

The Liberal Democrats could stand aside in key seats to help the re-election of Conservative MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit.

 

Senior party insiders have been discreetly drawing up a list of constituencies where support from Lib Dem voters could be critical.

 

Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, wants to maximise the number of MPs opposed to no-deal who would be returned to the Commons in a snap election before October 31.

 

Tory MPs who vote in favour of blocking no-deal face being deselected by their party as Boris Johnson steps up pressure to persuade Brussels to offer him a better Brexit deal. Some prominent rebels, including Rory Stewart, who stood against Boris Johnson in the party leadership election, are considering standing as independent Conservatives if they are ousted by their party. Some of them might struggle to win if the anti-no-deal vote is split with the Lib Dems.

 

Consideration is now being given to making local pacts that would make defeating pro-Brexit candidates a priority over Lib Dem gains. One source familiar with the internal discussions said that decisions would be taken on a case-by-case basis. “It is obviously easier to do in seats where Labour is the main challenger and other local factors, in terms of the strength of the candidate and the ground operation will also be taken into account.”

 

The Lib Dems have made similar local deals in recent council elections and they won the Brecon & Radnorshire parliamentary by-election on August 1 after the Greens and Plaid Cymru stood aside. Any deal would have to be agreed by local party associations, which have considerable autonomy over candidate selection.

 

Yesterday a YouGov poll showed that while 61 per cent of current Conservative voters backed the deselection of the party’s no-deal rebels, 72 per cent of Lib Dems supported them being allowed to stand.

 

The Lib Dems have enjoyed a sizeable increase in support in recent months, doubling from about 10 per cent in April to about 20 per cent now. As a result the party has dramatically expanded its list of target seats, particularly in its former strongholds in the southwest and the Home Counties.

 

However, Ms Swinson is understood to believe that the party must not overreach in the coming election for fear of spreading its resources too thinly. Standing aside in some seats would allow the party to concentrate on target seats in particular regions.

 

Senior Lib Dems are understood to think that the party stands to make the biggest gains if a general election happens before October 31 and stopping Brexit altogether remains a theoretical possibility.

 

The Liberal Democrats now have almost 120,000 members, up a fifth in a year and almost double the number of paid-up members in the year before the EU referendum.

 

Ms Swinson tweeted yesterday: “It seems Boris Johnson will stop at nothing to implement his anti-democratic shutdown of parliament and force a disastrous No Deal on the British people. The Lib Dems continue to work with other parties on emergency legislation to stop this authoritarian power grab.”

[Captain Turdseye]

There’s no way any of the Tories would shaft the Lib Dems. 

[skend04]

Philip Lee has just walked across the House and gone and sat with the Lib Dems. Tory majority gone. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

2 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Philip Lee has just walked across the House and gone and sat with the Lib Dems. Tory majority gone. 

It won't feel like much of a change to him. 

[Denny Crane]

Hopefully a few more Tory MPs can join them. They do seem to have a lot in common. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Oh no. It's negged me again. 

 

Child. 

[sir roger]

3 hours ago, Sugar Ape said:

 

The Liberal Democrats could stand aside in key seats to help the re-election of Conservative MPs opposed to a no-deal Brexit.

 

Senior party insiders have been discreetly drawing up a list of constituencies where support from Lib Dem voters could be critical.

 

Jo Swinson, the Lib Dem leader, wants to maximise the number of MPs opposed to no-deal who would be returned to the Commons in a snap election before October 31.

 

Tory MPs who vote in favour of blocking no-deal face being deselected by their party as Boris Johnson steps up pressure to persuade Brussels to offer him a better Brexit deal. Some prominent rebels, including Rory Stewart, who stood against Boris Johnson in the party leadership election, are considering standing as independent Conservatives if they are ousted by their party. Some of them might struggle to win if the anti-no-deal vote is split with the Lib Dems.

 

Consideration is now being given to making local pacts that would make defeating pro-Brexit candidates a priority over Lib Dem gains. One source familiar with the internal discussions said that decisions would be taken on a case-by-case basis. “It is obviously easier to do in seats where Labour is the main challenger and other local factors, in terms of the strength of the candidate and the ground operation will also be taken into account.”

 

The Lib Dems have made similar local deals in recent council elections and they won the Brecon & Radnorshire parliamentary by-election on August 1 after the Greens and Plaid Cymru stood aside. Any deal would have to be agreed by local party associations, which have considerable autonomy over candidate selection.

 

Yesterday a YouGov poll showed that while 61 per cent of current Conservative voters backed the deselection of the party’s no-deal rebels, 72 per cent of Lib Dems supported them being allowed to stand.

 

The Lib Dems have enjoyed a sizeable increase in support in recent months, doubling from about 10 per cent in April to about 20 per cent now. As a result the party has dramatically expanded its list of target seats, particularly in its former strongholds in the southwest and the Home Counties.

 

However, Ms Swinson is understood to believe that the party must not overreach in the coming election for fear of spreading its resources too thinly. Standing aside in some seats would allow the party to concentrate on target seats in particular regions.

 

Senior Lib Dems are understood to think that the party stands to make the biggest gains if a general election happens before October 31 and stopping Brexit altogether remains a theoretical possibility.

 

The Liberal Democrats now have almost 120,000 members, up a fifth in a year and almost double the number of paid-up members in the year before the EU referendum.

 

Ms Swinson tweeted yesterday: “It seems Boris Johnson will stop at nothing to implement his anti-democratic shutdown of parliament and force a disastrous No Deal on the British people. The Lib Dems continue to work with other parties on emergency legislation to stop this authoritarian power grab.”

Cheers Sugar Ape.

 

It all seems a bit odd to be honest. What if the Labour candidate was pro-Leave ? It would be a gift to Labour who could suggest that Lib Dems are edging to the right and still Conservative shills.

 

Also , I can't see any way LD's will poll anywhere near 20% in real life.

[Denny Crane]

 

 

 

[sir roger]

To be fair he's only as homophobic as their last leader but one.

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Nelly-Torres said:

It won't feel like much of a change to him. 

He has done it again! 

 

He once promised me if I ever find evidence of him lying he would leave the forum. 

 

I don't want him to leave at all but a promise is a promise.