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Manc's. Anfield Sunday 23rd 1:30pm


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We couldnt score a second because we had 10 men. Not buying a striker cost us the game last week, not this week. A centre forward would have made no difference to that game today.

 

It seems to be that until January if we lose that's going to be the reason when it's clear we have other problems as well as that.

 

Your entitled to your opinion. But you are wrong. We scored one with 10 men. We made lots of chances with 10 men. We didnt score a second with 10 men.

 

The plain fact you are overlooking is Rodgers is their man. Their man wanted to bring in a striker in place of Carroll. The owners and no one else robbie, stopped their chosen man bring that striker in.

 

Yes, if they need reminding that their 'mistake' of not backing their manager's judgement is costing us games then Im all for it. that way, they'll learn and not try and run a major football club on the cheap.

 

If you think I've been on the owners case since they arrived, I suggest you check all my posts because you wont find one to support your view. I do and will hold them accountable though if \ when we cant put the ball in the net and that costs us games this season.

 

Im not sure we'll find a good striker capable of scoring 15 - 20 goals a season in January. If they do, I'll congratulate them for doing so.

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We have two problems.

 

We cannot score any goals. I'm not talking about scoring goals against some second rate pub Swiss side.

 

We can't defend for shit. Two goals conceeded today were horrific, especially the one that led to the penalty. What the fuck were Agger and Johnson playing at? As good as Johnson is going forwards, he's fucking gash at defending.

 

So we have a defence that has at least two mistakes in them every game and an attacking line that can't score for shit. So it doesn't really matter how well you play.

 

Think things are going to be grim until January.

 

At best we'll be mid table by then.

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We couldn't score because we haven't "clicked". Our passing in the attacking third is still too overly safe and lack that crucial nano-second refinement. What striker could we have signed that would guarantee goals? Messi? Falcao? Perhaps Ronaldo? How realistic is that?

 

All this harping because the owners didn't want to cough up a few extra millions for Clint Dempsey, who is 29 year old and who is not even a striker is rather silly, and reeks of scapegoaty. Lets also not forget they sanctioned 120 millions spending on dubious talents in the previous 2 transfer windows therefore have every reason to be more cautious.

 

Like it or not, we ARE in a bulldozing-and-rebuilding phase, I think pegging your expectation accordingly is better for your mental health than just being angry over some speculation.

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We have two problems.

 

We cannot score any goals. I'm not talking about scoring goals against some second rate pub Swiss side.

 

We can't defend for shit. Two goals conceeded today were horrific, especially the one that led to the penalty. What the fuck were Agger and Johnson playing at? As good as Johnson is going forwards, he's fucking gash at defending.

 

So we have a defence that has at least two mistakes in them every game and an attacking line that can't score for shit. So it doesn't really matter how well you play.

 

Think things are going to be grim until January.

 

At best we'll be mid table by then.

 

this is all true

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I understand the lax attitude on here, but what do you need to do to get banned?

 

I dont want this to become RAWK, but some of the stuff on here is fucking moronic and only pulls the forum down. Such as the guy who wished more pakistanis dead, this wanker, and a prick calling our manager a terrorist.

 

 

Correct. What the fuck is this shit? I wouldn't hang around anywhere that let this shit fly. Come on for a few post game reads and what I'm seeing is disgusting. We can't play the 'mancs are baddies' card when we don't condemn this kind of scum.

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We couldn't score because we haven't "clicked". Our passing in the attacking third is still too overly safe and lack that crucial nano-second refinement. What striker could we have signed that would guarantee goals? Messi? Falcao? Perhaps Ronaldo? How realistic is that?

 

All this harping because the owners didn't want to cough up a few extra millions for Clint Dempsey, who is 29 year old and who is not even a striker is rather silly, and reeks of scapegoaty. Lets also not forget they sanctioned 120 millions spending on dubious talents in the previous 2 transfer windows therefore have every reason to be more cautious.

 

Like it or not, we ARE in a bulldozing-and-rebuilding phase, I think pegging your expectation accordingly is better for your mental health than just being angry over some speculation.

 

This is naivety in the extreme. Who said a striker could garantee goals? No one but, a striker's business is to get goals.

 

They, the owners, blocked the man they chose to be manager, signing a striker he wanted after stripping the squad of other players.

 

Its not that we arent creating chanced, we arent scoring them. So we arent clinical enough in front of goal, isnt that what everyone (or most) are saying? We dont have the experienced striker to convert the chances.

 

Oh, and nice to hear Rodgers name chanted by the crowd at last.

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Regarding the refereeing, I commented in the MF earlier. In summary my feelings are that bad decision making is endemic in Premiership refereeing. Halsey is not the only bad ref. As an institution they are wholly inept. And the fault lies with the FA.

 

I was watching from the Main Stand. Before the game, I said to my mate that we need to avoid forcing the referee to make a big decision. Because, if they have to make a big decision they will get it wrong. I wasn't aware who was ref at the time, I just knew that whoever it was would be incapable of applying the rules correctly.

 

They are not frightened of getting it wrong though - because they know that the manager's will remain partisan. One will deride the decision and one will support it. So they will have at least one vocal supporter - whatever they do.

 

Once this stops happening the problem will land at the FA's door - and the FA will be forced to act. Maybe then we will see officiating in parity with the standard of the players. Until then we can expect second rate refereeing at first rate football matches.

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We couldn't score because we haven't "clicked". Our passing in the attacking third is still too overly safe and lack that crucial nano-second refinement. What striker could we have signed that would guarantee goals? Messi? Falcao? Perhaps Ronaldo? How realistic is that?

 

 

Maybe this guy...

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCMQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww1.skysports.com%2Ffootball%2Fnews%2F11679%2F8086288%2FAthletic-Bilbao-s-Fernando-Llorente-to-discuss-transfer-options-in-January&ei=t1NfUOSnLY3M0AXq6IHwDA&usg=AFQjCNGM2s-VFD9Bvdh-dyIfiErAAc_2hw

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Apart from the Johnson defending part, that one's just harsh. He did well even to get back and attempt a tackle from where he was which was on the floor and Valencia, one of the fastest players in the league, was breaking away.

 

it wasn't a penalty. he made a challenge but he didn't touch him.

 

poor defending from him before that cost us and agger. he's probably broken his leg knowing his luck.

 

shelvey was silly but a yellow card would have been punishment enough there and we did well to get in front but with 40 odd mins still on the clock it was always going to be a long second half.

 

bringing off sterling probably wasn't a great idea either.

 

it's gonna be tough until we get some wins on the board. the longer we go without the more pressure BR will face.

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Regarding the refereeing, I commented in the MF earlier. In summary my feelings are that bad decision making is endemic in Premiership refereeing. Halsey is not the only bad ref. As an institution they are wholly inept. And the fault lies with the FA.

 

I was watching from the Main Stand. Before the game, I said to my mate that we need to avoid forcing the referee to make a big decision. Because, if they have to make a big decision they will get it wrong. I wasn't aware who was ref at the time, I just knew that whoever it was would be incapable of applying the rules correctly.

 

They are not frightened of getting it wrong though - because they know that the manager's will remain partisan. One will deride the decision and one will support it. So they will have at least one vocal supporter - whatever they do.

 

Once this stops happening the problem will land at the FA's door - and the FA will be forced to act. Maybe then we will see officiating in parity with the standard of the players. Until then we can expect second rate refereeing at first rate football matches.

 

all that possession up until shelvey went counted for nothing because we didn't score and I always felt that would cost us.

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This is naivety in the extreme. Who said a striker could garantee goals? No one but, a striker's business is to get goals.

 

Right. We bought a striker -- Borini. He haven't been able to score. What options we had to replace Carroll? Sturridge on loan? Damiao on loan? Neither worked out, but unless you had evidence that the owners torpedoed the deals....

 

They, the owners, blocked the man they chose to be manager, signing a striker he wanted after stripping the squad of other players.

 

Eh?

 

Its not that we arent creating chanced, we arent scoring them. So we arent clinical enough in front of goal, isnt that what everyone (or most) are saying?

 

Erm, not really. We made some nice passes and crosses, but often didn't have enough bodies in the box to take advantage of them. That suggest some tweaking in tactics and timing, and the team need more confidence and definition in their play style. Other than that, most of our "clear" chances were created and missed by Suarez himself, and a few sitters missed by Borini -- again, the new striker can't guarantee goals argument.

 

Look. Rodgers favors 4-3-3, since Suarez and Sterling are more or less the default choices for 2 out 3 attacking spot, and Rodgers seems to be willing to give Borini time to find his touch, the "we haven't scored goal because we didn't bring in another striker to replace Carroll" argument doesn't have a strong leg. By default, Carroll's place would be on the bench, and so would his supposed replacement.

 

Yes, having a prolific goal scorer would make this transition period much more fathomable. But we don't. They are not exactly easy to find with our budget.

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What was the penalty on Suarez? I didn't recall anything, thought it was a pen on Agger but that is the only one I can remember, although Halsey gave us absolutely nothing, so it may have got lost in among the rest of the decisions in United's favour!

 

Played well today, and without any luck whatsoever we have been punished for everything, we will start moving up the table anytime soon.

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If every one of our fans had a whip round, do you think we could buy Llorente? Suarez can't do it on his own and Borini has a long long way to go. I thought we looked promising, Suso looked assured despite being thrown into such a high pressure situation. But promise is not going to get us the goals we need to succeed, and we desperately need to win games now.

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it wasn't a penalty. he made a challenge but he didn't touch him.

 

poor defending from him before that cost us and agger. he's probably broken his leg knowing his luck.

 

shelvey was silly but a yellow card would have been punishment enough there and we did well to get in front but with 40 odd mins still on the clock it was always going to be a long second half.

 

bringing off sterling probably wasn't a great idea either.

 

it's gonna be tough until we get some wins on the board. the longer we go without the more pressure BR will face.

 

Sorry but that's plain wrong. Agger's injury and the pen decision was entirely of aggers making. He wasnt challenged for a cross field pass but decided to let it come across his body then try a fancy dan back heel. Then he realised he'd fucked up and in trying to retrieve the ball clattered Johnson.

 

There was no 'poor defending' from Johnson. Agger was the culprit if I can use that term, pure and simple.

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Right. We bought a striker -- Borini. He haven't been able to score. What options we had to replace Carroll? Sturridge on loan? Damiao on loan? Neither worked out, but unless you had evidence that the owners torpedoed the deals....

 

Borini wasnt brought in as Carroll's replacement. The manager wanted and expected to bring in a striker (Dempsey or Sturridge) when Carroll was shipped out. Sturridge was prepared to come here on a permanent deal but the owners wouldnt sanction the £15m transfer. They wouldnt sanction the £6m - £7m fee for dempsey either. Are you suggestting these events didnt happen?

 

 

 

Eh?
Why do you think Rodgers moved on Maxi, Bellamy, Kuyt etc? The story about bellers is he wanted to be near his family. Are we sure? He's now separated from his wife what with the Speed suicide so just how close to family does he mean?

 

 

 

Erm, not really. We made some nice passes and crosses, but often didn't have enough bodies in the box to take advantage of them. That suggest some tweaking in tactics and timing, and the team need more confidence and definition in their play style. Other than that, most of our "clear" chances were created and missed by Suarez himself, and a few sitters missed by Borini -- again, the new striker can't guarantee goals argument.

 

Look. Rodgers favors 4-3-3, since Suarez and Sterling are more or less the default choices for 2 out 3 attacking spot, and Rodgers seems to be willing to give Borini time to find his touch, the "we haven't scored goal because we didn't bring in another striker to replace Carroll" argument doesn't have a strong leg. By default, Carroll's place would be on the bench, and so would his supposed replacement.

 

Yes, having a prolific goal scorer would make this transition period much more fathomable. But we don't. They are not exactly easy to find with our budget.

 

Like I said, incredible naivety but do carry on. If the owners enforce incredibly low transfer fees to players especially strikers, then yes, you will find 'prolific' ones nigh on impossible to find.

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Sorry but that's plain wrong. Agger's injury and the pen decision was entirely of aggers making. He wasnt challenged for a cross field pass but decided to let it come across his body then try a fancy dan back heel. Then he realised he'd fucked up and in trying to retrieve the ball clattered Johnson.

 

There was no 'poor defending' from Johnson. Agger was the culprit if I can use that term, pure and simple.

 

yes it was aggers initial mistake but both of them went for the same ball and ended up clattering each other so between them there was either no call or one of them called or neither heard the other call. whatever way you look at it, it's poor defending from both of them.

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I loved the occasion- but hated the result. Having Kenny back was an emotional shot in the arm for one and all.

 

Kelly and Gerrard impressed. Rodgers made a big mistake with the psychological preparation for Jonjo- he was wound up waiting to explode, and he did. A man management mistake from which Rodgers will learn. It’s hard enough winning with eleven- going down to ten makes a tough job even tougher.Equally, he needs to tell Suarez to shut up, and let his goals do the talking. Luis is getting to the stage where he is looking for excuses and reasons not to score.

 

Overall I didn’t think that we played that badly, but some familiar themes hang over the side with the persistence of Dalglish’s name echoing around the stadium. We do not have enough goalscorers in our team, Johnson is a brilliant attacking midfielder, but is not a specialist full back who always does get found out against the best, defensively, for all his attacking panache, and Agger can’t be relied upon to complete a season.

 

A 2-1 home defeat to Man U is no disgrace, and our next three games are the litmus test. I think we will all feel a little brighter then with much improved results. But the message to FSG, Ayre and Rodgers was clear today. Man u bought a 29 year old goal scorer- we didn’t, compare and contrast.

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