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Canada has the second largest Iranian diaspora; so that has probably got something to do with Harpers decision (Stephen Harper being the Govenor of the 51st state....I mean Canadian PM). He's also got a majority government and is known to be pro-Israel. Usually Canada doesn't take the lead in this, we are a classic middle power. I'd be surprised if this wasn't run by the US State Dept.

 

Anyway, I feel real sympathy with both sides never being able to enjoy what I consider the most basic human right- to wake up in the morning and enjoy bacon.

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I'm not a fan of Israel, but to see a country destroyed... fucking hell. I also wouldn't be fucking delighted.

 

If the Iranian missiles are anything like North Koreas they'll miss. With any luck, Belgium will get them.

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I'm not a fan of Israel, but to see a country destroyed... fucking hell. I also wouldn't be fucking delighted.

 

Haha I'm of Greek and German-Jewish descent, so I can say that, right?

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I like how you limit it to violations of international law, clever.

 

Building houses where you shouldn't or executing gays and enslaving all your women, hmm, which is worse.

 

Yes, building houses is the problem here.

 

Definitely.

 

You're a big lover of the "I'm not as despicable as this other guy" as a defence aren't you?

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You're a big lover of the "I'm not as despicable as this other guy" as a defence aren't you?

 

But that's as good as it gets. All societies require governance and laws in oreder to function. And there is no such thing as the perfect society; there is no utopian civilisation - power corrupts. Always.

 

It's tiresome reading the same divs quacking on about how evil America is. Or how Israel should be eradicated. Big bad old world ways, corrupting the gleaming, pure ideals of the new world. Bollocks.

 

Look what happens when we allow them to try and look after themselves: war, corruption, horror, misery and despair. They can't do it. Imperialism and colonialism works. Sometimes people and society need to be invaded and dragged into the modern era. We're proof of that as a nation.

 

So when people start mewling on about the big, bad ways of Western civilisation I despair. It's the best we have to offer. So-called Socialist experiments don't work: look at the mess that evil scumbag Chavez is making of Venezuela. Tribalism and religious mania doesn't work: cf the entire Middle East.

 

Everyone blames the evil West for everything. Well, newsflash: it's the best option out there for how to live in a mdoern world, which is why most of the spastics who bang on about it all the fucking time live there.

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But that's as good as it gets. All societies require governance and laws in oreder to function. And there is no such thing as the perfect society; there is no utopian civilisation - power corrupts. Always.

 

It's tiresome reading the same divs quacking on about how evil America is. Or how Israel should be eradicated. Big bad old world ways' date=' corrupting the gleaming, pure ideals of the new world. Bollocks.

 

Look what happens when we allow them to try and look after themselves: war, corruption, horror, misery and despair. They can't do it. Imperialism and colonialism works. Sometimes people and society need to be invaded and dragged into the modern era. We're proof of that as a nation.

 

So when people start mewling on about the big, bad ways of Western civilisation I despair. It's the best we have to offer. So-called Socialist experiments don't work: look at the mess that evil scumbag Chavez is making of Venezuela. Tribalism and religious mania doesn't work: cf the entire Middle East.

 

Everyone blames the evil West for everything. Well, newsflash: it's the best option out there for how to live in a mdoern world, which is why most of the spastics who bang on about it all the fucking time live there.[/quote']

 

There has yet to be a true socialist 'experiment' and at least Venezuela is redistributing more of its own wealth to its own people. If it was a right wing US funded dictatorship it would be murdering its own citizens while providing cover and finance for US military operations,like some of its neighbours.

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I like how you limit it to violations of international law, clever.

 

Building houses where you shouldn't or executing gays and enslaving all your women, hmm, which is worse.

 

What. The. Fuck. To call what Israel has done and continues to do as 'building houses where you shouldn't' is not only disgusting, but shows such incredible bias it destroys any credibility.

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There has yet to be a true socialist 'experiment' and at least Venezuela is redistributing more of its own wealth to its own people. If it was a right wing US funded dictatorship it would be murdering its own citizens while providing cover and finance for US military operations,like some of its neighbours.

 

It's not, though. It is riven with corruption and has a higher crime-rate than any of its neighbouring countries (inc Colombia). Or rather, it did until the bent, tin-pot government stopped releasing the data in 2004. Murders have increased 400% since Chavez came into power. The legal system is totally broken and the police are underpaid and underresourced. It is one of the most dangerous countries in the world.

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But that's as good as it gets. All societies require governance and laws in oreder to function. And there is no such thing as the perfect society; there is no utopian civilisation - power corrupts. Always.

 

It's tiresome reading the same divs quacking on about how evil America is. Or how Israel should be eradicated. Big bad old world ways, corrupting the gleaming, pure ideals of the new world. Bollocks.

 

Look what happens when we allow them to try and look after themselves: war, corruption, horror, misery and despair. They can't do it. Imperialism and colonialism works. Sometimes people and society need to be invaded and dragged into the modern era. We're proof of that as a nation.

 

So when people start mewling on about the big, bad ways of Western civilisation I despair. It's the best we have to offer. So-called Socialist experiments don't work: look at the mess that evil scumbag Chavez is making of Venezuela. Tribalism and religious mania doesn't work: cf the entire Middle East.

 

Everyone blames the evil West for everything. Well, newsflash: it's the best option out there for how to live in a mdoern world, which is why most of the spastics who bang on about it all the fucking time live there.

 

How the fuck do you explain Singapore then? Best option? Behave. Western governments are only so bloody popular because countries like Britain, and the United States, fucking forced them onto other countries (for trade concessions, and global pissing contests with opposing ideology) or part of their colonial conquests... and had the financial muscle to impose their will far from their home.

 

Trying to compare, say, Britain to Venezuela as a basis for 'which would you rather have' isn't particularly fair... Compare Singapore, or Hong Kong, to the USA or UK or Canada and I know where I'd fucking go.

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You're a big lover of the "I'm not as despicable as this other guy" as a defence aren't you?

 

 

I think I'd just prefer people to recognise that both guys have behaved in a pretty despicable manner. Certainly preferable to choosing one despicable guy over the other because he's poorer and less good at killing people.

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It's not' date=' though. It is riven with corruption and has a higher crime-rate than any of its neighbouring countries (inc Colombia). Or rather, it did until the bent, tin-pot government stopped releasing the data in 2004. Murders have increased 400% since Chavez came into power. The legal system is totally broken and the police are underpaid and underresourced. It is one of the most dangerous countries in the world.[/quote']

 

I'm not saying you are wrong but where did you get the stats from?

 

No wonder Venezuela is so violent when the yanks are constantly trying to overthrow the government and its relative wealth has brought the greed and selfishness that most developed countries have had to deal with for the past 50 years.

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I think I'd just prefer people to recognise that both guys have behaved in a pretty despicable manner. Certainly preferable to choosing one despicable guy over the other because he's poorer and less good at killing people.

 

I have a real problem with you attempting to paint yourself as impartial and objective here. You're neither of those things. You dismiss the horrific crimes of Israel as if they're nothing.

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Iran is a beautiful and ethnically diverse country. The people, in general, are without doubt the most hospitable, courteous, cultured and western thinking in the Middle East bar none. The majority of people are not religious and actually love America and all it stands for believe it or not. They have a strong attachment to family and respect their elders like no other people in the region. Its also on eof the safest countries in the world to walk about at night whether you are male or female

 

On the other hand, their government, Basij militia and clerics are a shower of mentally backward, incompetent bloodthirsty hyenas. Same as the Israeli government...

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But that's as good as it gets. All societies require governance and laws in oreder to function. And there is no such thing as the perfect society; there is no utopian civilisation - power corrupts. Always.

 

It's tiresome reading the same divs quacking on about how evil America is. Or how Israel should be eradicated. Big bad old world ways, corrupting the gleaming, pure ideals of the new world. Bollocks.

 

Look what happens when we allow them to try and look after themselves: war, corruption, horror, misery and despair. They can't do it. Imperialism and colonialism works. Sometimes people and society need to be invaded and dragged into the modern era. We're proof of that as a nation.

 

So when people start mewling on about the big, bad ways of Western civilisation I despair. It's the best we have to offer. So-called Socialist experiments don't work: look at the mess that evil scumbag Chavez is making of Venezuela. Tribalism and religious mania doesn't work: cf the entire Middle East.

 

Everyone blames the evil West for everything. Well, newsflash: it's the best option out there for how to live in a mdoern world, which is why most of the spastics who bang on about it all the fucking time live there.

 

So the only options are what we have now and a theocracy from the middle ages? Is there some reason why I can't demand the "The West" higher it's standards and practice what it preaches? Your list of things that happen when we "leave people to themselves" (something we rarely do) seems to be the exact same list of things that happens when we do interfere. You might think this system is boss because you're doing alright out of it, many aren't. And when they choose leaders that want to try and make things better for everyone, we generally murder or depose them, 'cos that's not cool.

 

There's never been a socialist experiment, the idea that there has is nonsense in a system of globalised capitalism. The closest thing there is has the most powerful civilisation in the history of the planet trying to fuck up their efforts and it still produces a better standard of life than the people of Baltimore and many other US cities have. Failed? Hardly.

 

I see bad things and call them bad. I want them to be better. I understand geopolitics. I understand self-interest. I just also understand hypocrisy, call it out and want better.

 

You seem to have accepted that 4/10 is better than 1/10 and are angry at people for pointing out that there are higher marks than 4 and are getting pissed off at being told we're at 10/10. It's an incredibly unambitious and deeply selfish was to see things, no?

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Singapore is an anodyne police state.

 

It's a one party republic... but everyone is pulling in the right direction and it's one of the most impressive countries on the planet.

 

Multi-party systems really don't seem to be working, for me. Too much 'us vs. them' and too much worrying about small time issues. The entire society needs to move forward as a group... not rich vs. poor, not powerful vs. unwashed mob.

 

Western society had it's apex in the 50s, really, but it's unlikely to have another one...

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Iranian dissident and journalist Rouhollah Zam has been sentenced to death, months after he was apprehended by Iranian forces in mysterious circumstances.

Zam was found guilty of "corruption on earth," a judiciary spokesman Gholam Hossein Esmaeili told reporters Tuesday. 

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Urrr. A page full of that Silverlining cunt, although hats of to Stronts he gives him a good ol battle here in the let's be as  distasteful as we can stakes.

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1 hour ago, TheHowieLama said:

Iranian dissident and journalist Rouhollah Zam has been sentenced to death, months after he was apprehended by Iranian forces in mysterious circumstances.

Zam was found guilty of "corruption on earth," a judiciary spokesman Gholam Hossein Esmaeili told reporters Tuesday. 

"Corruption on Earth".

 

Be a fucker trying to establish an alibi for that charge.

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