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Who cares what players cost? It's not coming out of your bank account.

 

Stop holding price tags against players, it's got nothing to do with anything.

Correctamundo.

 

The £35m tells us that Mike Ashley is a cunt and Comolli is a useless prick. Neither of these facts are new or surprising. The £35m says absolutely nothing about Andy Carroll.

 

The truth is that he's had a shit time with injuries, so he's been in and out of games for West Ham. But when he's been playing, he's been an effective "out ball", he's linked up well with their other strikers and he's saved them in defence a few times. He is a good footballer: anyone who says otherwise is talking cack (usually because they've been blinded by the money that Comolli pissed up the wall).

 

Frankly, he's been treated very poorly by Brendan Rodgers, so I wouldn't blame him if he'd been bitching in the media. The fact that he hasn't suggests he's a decent lad who deserves a lot more respect than he's getting around here.

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Correctamundo.

 

The £35m tells us that Mike Ashley is a cunt and Comolli is a useless prick. Neither of these facts are new or surprising. The £35m says absolutely nothing about Andy Carroll.

 

The truth is that he's had a shit time with injuries, so he's been in and out of games for West Ham. But when he's been playing, he's been an effective "out ball", he's linked up well with their other strikers and he's saved them in defence a few times. He is a good footballer: anyone who says otherwise is talking cack (usually because they've been blinded by the money that Comolli pissed up the wall).

 

Frankly, he's been treated very poorly by Brendan Rodgers, so I wouldn't blame him if he'd been bitching in the media. The fact that he hasn't suggests he's a decent lad who deserves a lot more respect than he's getting around here.

 

How has he been treated poorly by Brendan Rodgers? What does Rodgers owe him? He didnt want him, that is his call and it has undoubtedly been the right one.

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How has he been treated poorly by Brendan Rodgers? What does Rodgers owe him? He didnt want him, that is his call and it has undoubtedly been the right one.

From Day One Rodgers made it clear - through the media - that he wanted rid of Carroll. He wasn't even going to give him any chance to see if he could fit into his "system". Rodgers wanted him out before he'd met him and made sure that everybody knew about it.

 

Pretty shabby way to treat anybody, unless that player had been a cunt.

 

What Rodgers owes him is what is every Liverpool player's due - a bit of respect and dignity.

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Correctamundo.

 

The £35m tells us that Mike Ashley is a cunt and Comolli is a useless prick. Neither of these facts are new or surprising. The £35m says absolutely nothing about Andy Carroll.

 

The truth is that he's had a shit time with injuries, so he's been in and out of games for West Ham. But when he's been playing, he's been an effective "out ball", he's linked up well with their other strikers and he's saved them in defence a few times. He is a good footballer: anyone who says otherwise is talking cack (usually because they've been blinded by the money that Comolli pissed up the wall).

 

Frankly, he's been treated very poorly by Brendan Rodgers, so I wouldn't blame him if he'd been bitching in the media. The fact that he hasn't suggests he's a decent lad who deserves a lot more respect than he's getting around here.

 

Don't agree with that at all. The only thing a relatively low outlay does is give you a proviso for someone being shit, i.e such-and-such a player is shit, but at least he was free.

 

It wouldn't make any odds if Carroll had cost £10, 15, or 20 million, he's still an extremely poor player.

 

How has he been treated poorly by Brendan Rodgers? What does Rodgers owe him? He didnt want him, that is his call and it has undoubtedly been the right one.

 

Spot on that.

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From Day One Rodgers made it clear - through the media - that he wanted rid of Carroll. He wasn't even going to give him any chance to see if he could fit into his "system". Rodgers wanted him out before he'd met him and made sure that everybody knew about it.

 

Pretty shabby way to treat anybody, unless that player had been a cunt.

 

What Rodgers owes him is what is every Liverpool player's due - a bit of respect and dignity.

 

You dont need to meet anybody to see if they could play in his system. Carroll played both games against Swansea last year. That's at least two games in person where Rodgers would have seen him play. The manager would also have seen plenty of other games in person where Carroll would have played in when Newcastle and Swansea were in the same division. Im sure he watched plenty of football.

 

I dont need to meet Emile Heskey in person to see that he is a fucking donkey.

 

As for the pretty shabby way to treat anybody line, didnt hear anybody complain when it was Aquilani being shipped out without being given a chance under new managers.

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As for the pretty shabby way to treat anybody line, didnt hear anybody complain when it was Aquilani being shipped out without being given a chance under new managers.

I didn't hear any managers publicly announcing that they didn't want Aquilani, the way Rodgers did with Carroll.

 

If Rodgers doesn't want him, that's fine - it's his call. I just thought the way he handled it through the media lacked class.

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Who cares what players cost? It's not coming out of your bank account.

 

 

Except that is exactly where the money is coming from.

 

We all wanted owners that would allow the club to be self sufficient, we now have that. So we are paying the ridiculous Carroll fee and his wages.

 

And we should care because wasting ten of millions of pounds on a donkey means the side suffers for years to come. We all want to win trophies and wasting money on shite like Carroll isn't going to help.

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Except that is exactly where the money is coming from.

 

We all wanted owners that would allow the club to be self sufficient, we now have that. So we are paying the ridiculous Carroll fee and his wages.

 

And we should care because wasting ten of millions of pounds on a donkey means the side suffers for years to come. We all want to win trophies and wasting money on shite like Carroll isn't going to help.

 

Spot on.

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How has he been treated poorly by Brendan Rodgers? What does Rodgers owe him? He didnt want him, that is his call and it has undoubtedly been the right one.

 

Rodgers arrived and announced everyone would get a chance to prove themselves. Then proceeded not to give Carroll that chance. His prerogative, but open to justified criticism.

 

Acccording to Dave, Ngoo looks set to suffer the same fate.

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Except that is exactly where the money is coming from.

 

 

Not at all, the £35m we spent on Carroll came from the £50m we got for Torres. Whether it was the best use of that money is debatable, but if it was subsidised by anyone, it was Roman Abramovich rather than Liverpool fans.

 

The funny thing is, if we'd got £30m for Torres and bought Carroll for £15m, I don't think complaints would be anywhere near as vocal, yet the upshot would have been exactly the same - Carroll and £15m in exchange for Torres.

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Rodgers arrived and announced everyone would get a chance to prove themselves. Then proceeded not to give Carroll that chance. His prerogative, but open to justified criticism.

 

Acccording to Dave, Ngoo looks set to suffer the same fate.

 

I don't like the sense you're talking on here or the FSG thread, Anubis.

Please desist.

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Not at all, the £35m we spent on Carroll came from the £50m we got for Torres. Whether it was the best use of that money is debatable, but if it was subsidised by anyone, it was Roman Abramovich rather than Liverpool fans.

 

The funny thing is, if we'd got £30m for Torres and bought Carroll for £15m, I don't think complaints would be anywhere near as vocal, yet the upshot would have been exactly the same - Carroll and £15m in exchange for Torres.

 

Leaving only $8m more to secure Suarez.

It was shocking business, wasn't it?

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Not at all, the £35m we spent on Carroll came from the £50m we got for Torres. Whether it was the best use of that money is debatable, but if it was subsidised by anyone, it was Roman Abramovich rather than Liverpool fans.

 

The funny thing is, if we'd got £30m for Torres and bought Carroll for £15m, I don't think complaints would be anywhere near as vocal, yet the upshot would have been exactly the same - Carroll and £15m in exchange for Torres.

 

Debatable? haha fucking hell, astounding line, one of the classics for sure.

 

Gobsmacked anyone can honestly think that, a wind up maybe?, i dont want or mean to be rude but you must be one thick as fuck bastard if you think the Carroll saga has been anything less than a complete and utter fuck up from start to finish.

 

Its amazing how many people have agendas on here, Coros post above is yet another stealthy swipe at the owners and this one boils down to Kenny, i bet my left nut you wouldn't have the same opinion if was any other manager who spent that on him, imagine if it was any other club that done it, we would be pissing ourselves just like they have been at us.

 

Theres flawed logic and thinking from the people that really do actually worship Kenny and therefore defend the indefensible - his signings...

 

These signings cost him his job so why defend them?

 

And if he/DC didn't sign these players and bought the players that should of been bought with that money he would still be here now and the club would be a lot better off, so why keep defending them?

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He was described as the "modern day Duncan Ferguson" on MOTD, must be heart breaking for the lad to be associated with that shit cunt. He's better than Ferguson but still holds nowhere near enough talent to be here.

 

And Hansen called him a tremendous athlete, not to sure about that one.

 

Even in those highlights you saw him meandering 25 yards from goal when the balls out wide just about to get played in, thats just totally unacceptable and infuriating as you can see what he can do when he gets in there and attacks a cross.

 

He is a decent player but hes not for us anymore, watching him still doing that ambling around outside the box just reaffirms it, rather we invest his fee into a top striker.

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Its amazing how many people have agendas on here, Coros post above is yet another stealthy swipe at the owners

 

Do you think it was correct to leave the team with only one recognised striker for half a season?

 

Dalglish was caretaker manager when Carroll signed. He'd been in the job a matter of days. You either believe FSG handed a then part time manager huge responsibility or you haven't thought things through properly.

 

I'll go with the latter.

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Not at all, the £35m we spent on Carroll came from the £50m we got for Torres.

 

Surely you see that just makes it worse. If we paid £35m for Kenwyne Jones, I'd be angry. If we sold Suarez to pay for it, I'd be apoplectic. Just because the money came from somewhere else, it doesn't mean it's okay. It makes it much worse in this case.

 

Do you think it was correct to leave the team with only one recognised striker for half a season?

 

Firstly, they didn't leave the team with only one striker. They left the team with two recognised strikers, one of which they paid £10m for just a few weeks previous.

 

Secondly, no, I don't think it's acceptable for the team to only have two strikers. It was only short term, but I think it has harmed us in the short term. Was it brought about by their nefarious intent to ruin the club? No, of course not. Was it incompetence? Maybe some naivety, but I think it was more down to them putting their foot down and saying 'no' to over priced, over paid, overaged players.

 

You can disagree with that, and I certainly think we need to add more experience in the team this coming window, but I don't blame them for not wanting to tie players to long contracts, paying them handsomely until they're 32/33. It's not sensible for the club to do that.

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