Lance Armstrong calls it quits in fight against doping charges

[Josef Svejk]

"The truth will set you free."

 

Or get you jailed for perjury.

[loadsoftrophies]

Can we all stop with Code, he's ruining a good thread......again.

[Unrighteous]

Never doubted your giffing skills, Lance...

 

For a second, I thought, "Which Lance?" DAMNIT DAMNIT ARMSTRONG YOU RUINED MY NAME

 

(just an FYI, he is the second Lance to ruin Lance for me)

[Anubis]

Well cry me a river.

 

If she cant handle being called nasty names, then maybe she should have minded her own business then?

 

Oh and that bolded part made me laugh.

 

So, just to nail your colours to the mast here - are you catagorically saying that you condone the use of illegal performance enhancing substances in any sport and that anyone who brings such use to the attention of the authorities is a rat?

 

I ask because I hear that sort of language each day in work - words like rat and grass. Usually spoken by little wannabe gangsters with their tracksuit bottoms tucked intk their socks. I think you do this woman a grave disservice. All she did was dare to speak out against something she saw that was clearly wrong, and she was treates appallingly by Armstrong.

[Code]

Seriously, if there is anything I could not care less about in this case its people like her, what did she expect, Armstrong to send her flowers?

[Lario]

Genetically Modified flowers.

 

BTW Code, you've stooped to a new low in cuntishness in this thread. You're obviously being deliberately obtuse at this stage.

So instead of acting the big look-at-me, why don't you leave the thread to people who want to discuss the facts?

 

Speaking of facts, I think someone mentioned Rafa in the FF.

[setreal]

 

This thread is a prime example of Codes day job.

[Josef Svejk]

Armstrong on PED's last night?

 

Drugs For Dry Eyes | LIVESTRONG.COM

[L19red]

I've mentioned the difference between .org and .com a couple of times and the money going to the for profit company. I saw the curent alexa stats today and .com is 602 in world for most visited website, .org is 76305 on that list.

 

Lance makes sure people go to the money maker not the charity.

[Chocoholic]

Is this the bike Armstrong used in his Tour de France victories? The Cube EPO Reaction.

[lifetime fan]

As a cancer survivor and someone who does so much charitable work, you'd think the prick would have realised how inappropraite it was calling a ban from sport because he was a fucking cheat and a druggie, a 'death penalty'.

[Josef Svejk]

Not being able to run the Austin 10K. A "death sentence".

[lifetime fan]

[Captain]

The rats? I could not care less if I tried.

 

Oh dear.

 

Shame on them for telling the truth which the likes of you have denied for so long.

[Lee909]

As a cancer survivor and someone who does so much charitable work' date=' you'd think the prick would have realised how inappropraite it was calling a ban from sport because he was a fucking cheat and a druggie, a 'death penalty'.[/quote']

 

Not defending him on anything he has done but that is a common phrase for band in the States.

When a College sports team is banned from competing for a number of years it's generally referred to as the death penalty.

[TheHowieLama]

The death band - heh, great name...for a...well, a band.

[Anubis]

The death band - heh, great name...for a...well, a band.

 

But wos they be in the top 5 US bands?

[Paul]

He is one fucking cunt, Armstrong and, according to an anecdote in today's Observer, even his mum thinks so.

[Josef Svejk]

That's in an article by Paul Kimmage...

 

A convincing 39 seconds, then back to the old Lance Armstrong

 

The writer who memorably confronted Armstrong about doping in 2009, says watching the Oprah interviews left him laughing

 

The saddest story I've ever heard about sport was told to me in November 2010 by a man who cheated to win the Tour de France. We were sitting not in the plush surrounds of a five-star hotel in Texas, but in a sparsely furnished cabin in the San Jacinto mountains. Floyd Landis's old racing bike was standing just inside the doorway; his underwear was drying on a clotheshorse; the cupboards were bare, the carpet was worn; it had been a while since President Bush had called.

 

Darkness was falling on the mountain. Five hours had passed since he had begun telling his story and had covered most of the bases: his boyhood as a Mennonite, his doping apprenticeship with Lance Armstrong, his Tour de France win in July 2006 and the 12 months he spent lying after he tested positive. We have now reached the moment he knew the lying would have to stop.

 

It's 20 September 2007. He has just set off on a training ride from his home in San Diego when he receives a call from his lawyer, Maurice Suh. After a costly and protracted legal battle with the United States Anti-Doping Agency, the ruling on his positive test is about to be announced. "We should know in the next hour," the lawyer says.

 

Landis returns home immediately and waits in the garage. His wife, Amber, is sitting inside but he needs to be alone. The case has placed a desperate strain on their marriage. Every penny of their savings is riding on this call. Win, and the good times roll again. Lose, and they face ruin. Twenty minutes pass before the lawyer delivers the verdict. "We lost," he says.

 

Amber cries when she hears the news but Floyd burns with anger. He races upstairs to the living room and takes the most coveted prize in cycling – a beautiful porcelain bowl presented to the winner of Tour de France – from a cabinet. Amber knows what he's thinking and follows him up the stairs but he has already raised it over his head when she comes through the door.

 

"No Floyd!" she pleads. "It's all we have."

 

He smashes it to the floor.

 

"I had walked by that thing a hundred times [that year], and every single time I wanted to smash it," Landis explained. "It had made me into something that I wasn't. It represented a turning point in my life where I had to lie."

 

Lance Armstrong reached that turning point in 1999 but he's not living in a shed in the San Jacinto mountains, and he hasn't broken any porcelain yet. For the first 39 seconds of his interview with Oprah Winfrey, he was utterly convincing …

 

Winfrey: "Did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance?"

 

Armstrong: "Yes"

 

Winfrey: "Was one of those banned substances EPO?"

 

Armstrong: "Yes"

 

Winfrey: "Did you ever blood-dope or use blood transfusions to enhance your cycling performance?"

 

Armstrong: "Yes."

 

Winfrey: "Did you ever use other banned substances, such as testosterone, cortisone or human growth hormone?"

 

Armstrong: "Yes."

 

Winfrey: "In all seven of your Tour de France victories, did you ever take banned blood substances or blood dope?"

 

Armstrong: "Yes."

 

And then it was back to telling jokes.

 

"I looked up the definition of cheat and the definition of cheat is to gain an advantage on a rival or foe that they don't have. I didn't view it that way. I viewed it as a level playing field."

 

"I never tested positive."

 

"Michele Ferrari is a good man."

 

"I don't like the UCI."

 

"I care a lot about Christian [Vande Velde]."

 

"I'm not going to lie to you or the public."

 

"I think I deserve it [to compete again]."

 

"When I was diagnosed [with cancer in 1996] I was a better human being after that."

 

Or my favourite, hilarious: "The last time I crossed that line [doping] was 2005."

 

Armstrong has always shown a talent for pulling rabbits out of hats, but this was magic. He did not dope during his comeback in 2009 and 2010. Why not? Why would a guy who had doped with impunity, who didn't even regard it as cheating, suddenly decide he was going to do it clean? Wait, he explains it…

 

Because Kristin, his ex-wife, "believes in honesty and integrity and the truth" and asked him "never to cross that line again." And "I never would have betrayed that with her"?

 

Is this the same guy who dumped his wife for Sheryl Crow? Is this the same Kristin who, according to witness statements given to Usada, wrapped tablets in tin foil for Armstrong at the World Championships in Valkenberg? Who told a team-mate, Jonathan Vaughters, they kept EPO in the fridge? Who watched her husband vilify Betsy Andreu and did nothing?

 

But the best act came last.

 

"It's an epic story," Winfrey said. "What's the moral to the story?"

 

But moral (adj: 1 concerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour) is not a word he has ever looked up. "I don't have a great answer there," he replied, and started faffing.

 

"You know what I hope the moral to this story is," Winfrey said. "I hope the moral to this story is what Kristin told you in 2009: 'The truth will set you free'."

 

"Yeah," he replied. "She continues to tell me that."

 

Cue piano music and the credits.

 

Here's my bottom line.

 

In the autumn of 1993, Greg LeMond and his wife, Kathy, were sitting at home in the suburbs of Minneapolis, when they received a visit from Linda Mooneyham, the three-times Tour de France winner has recalled. Her 21-year-old son, Lance Armstrong, had just become the world champion and she had travelled from her home in Texas for advice.

 

"What does he do now?" she asked. "What does he do with his money?"

 

"Well, let him find an agent – a good one with an attorney," LeMond replied. "And one word of advice – just be his mom."

 

They sat on the porch for a while and then moved inside to the kitchen. Linda had something else on her mind: "How do I make him less of an asshole. He doesn't care about anyone."

 

"Well," LeMond replied. "I can't help you there."

 

A convincing 39 seconds, then back to the old Lance Armstrong | Paul Kimmage | Sport | The Observer

[Josef Svejk]

Double post...

[DJLJ]

Hah!

 

[lifetime fan]

Watched both episodes with the wife yesterday evening. She'd really not been following any of this and 'two wheels' sums up her knowledge of cycling. Couple of things she said after we watched it though struck me.

 

She reckons Lance was bullshitting his way through the entire interview but reckons Oprah did a good job. I disagreed with her but she reckons as someone new to the subject Oprah let him hang himself without being too aggressive and making him clam up.

 

I'm still not convinced but thought I'd share it.

[TheBitch]

Watched both episodes with the wife yesterday evening. She'd really not been following any of this and 'two wheels' sums up her knowledge of cycling. Couple of things she said after we watched it though struck me.

 

She reckons Lance was bullshitting his way through the entire interview but reckons Oprah did a good job. I disagreed with her but she reckons as someone new to the subject Oprah let him hang himself without being too aggressive and making him clam up.

 

I'm still not convinced but thought I'd share it.

 

Thought Oprah was shit and he got off lightly, as others have said. It suited him this way.

[Champ]

Watched both episodes with the wife yesterday evening. She'd really not been following any of this and 'two wheels' sums up her knowledge of cycling. Couple of things she said after we watched it though struck me.

 

She reckons Lance was bullshitting his way through the entire interview but reckons Oprah did a good job. I disagreed with her but she reckons as someone new to the subject Oprah let him hang himself without being too aggressive and making him clam up.

 

I'm still not convinced but thought I'd share it.

 

I've only watched clips of it....I actually couldn't bear to watch him. Seems that Oprah has won praise for her research and the way she handled Armstrong but make no mistake the whole thing was controlled by him. What sort of a 'confession' is it if you've consulted your lawyers beforehand?

[lifetime fan]

Thought Oprah was shit and he got off lightly, as others have said. It suited him this way.

 

I've only watched clips of it....I actually couldn't bear to watch him. Seems that Oprah has won praise for her research and the way she handled Armstrong but make no mistake the whole thing was controlled by him. What sort of a 'confession' is it if you've consulted your lawyers beforehand?

 

 

I agree with both of you, completely.

 

And my point to her was that Oprah let him get away with loads of contradictions and didn't nail him and show him for what he really was.

 

She reckons you could tell he was a lying cheat and he looked worse for showing himself up rather than being ridiculed by an interviewer.

 

She still won't give me an answer on whether she'd be so 'slowly, slowly, catchy monkey' with me.