Go fuck yourselves FSG

[lebron]

13 hours ago, BeefStroganoff said:

No mate no I’m not. I’ve been consistent in my opinion over many years and much of the stuff I’ve been concerned about has come to pass. I’ve nothing but respect and admiration for what Jurgen achieved with everything against him, and everything included our owners.

 

Here is as clearly as I can put it.

 

I don’t like our owners for the following reasons:

 

1. We are a business to them and not a football club

2. Because of 1. they don’t invest in the squad on a regular basis.

3. Because of 2 we carry players until we run their contracts out, keep players we can’t rely on and keep players who have poor injury records.

4. Because of all of the above we have been inconsistent over many years with the best manager in world football and failed to build on the success and hard work he and the players achieved.

 

Its not about spending like Chelsea or just buying players for the sake of it, or being owned by a superstate, its about being smart, driven and hungry for consistent success backed by an ownership that equally cares about it as much as the fans.

 

Thats it, simple.

 

1. Blah, blah, blah. Which other owners treat their club more like a football club than ours? Want to go down the supporter-owned route?

2. This is bullshit. We have the 2nd highest wage bill in the league, and top 5 in the world. Otherwise our so-called stars would have left us a long time ago (like they did under previous ownerships). We pay very well. 

3. This is the way. More and more players (especially those in demand) will run out their contracts (on advise of their agents), as they can take the transfer fees directly into their and their agents pockets. With image rights and buy out clauses etc., these contract workings are more and more of a nightmare for the clubs trying to hold onto their star players. We have caved in a couple of times to appease Mo, VVD. There’s only so far you can go though without bankrupting yourself.

4. We have been the most consistent club in the league bar City since their arrival. Again, hard to compete with someone with bottomless pits of money who aren’t regulated and are taking a piss of the existing rules. I am as angry as anyone that we didn’t end up with even more silverware under Jurgen. It’s not like he was completely faultless though, but he would have had to been to go toe to toe with the cheats as well as having us competitive in Europe.

[BeefStroganoff]

43 minutes ago, lebron said:

 

1. Blah, blah, blah. Which other owners treat their club more like a football club than ours? Want to go down the supporter-owned route?

2. This is bullshit. We have the 2nd highest wage bill in the league, and top 5 in the world. Otherwise our so-called stars would have left us a long time ago (like they did under previous ownerships). We pay very well. 

3. This is the way. More and more players (especially those in demand) will run out their contracts (on advise of their agents), as they can take the transfer fees directly into their and their agents pockets. With image rights and buy out clauses etc., these contract workings are more and more of a nightmare for the clubs trying to hold onto their star players. We have caved in a couple of times to appease Mo, VVD. There’s only so far you can go though without bankrupting yourself.

4. We have been the most consistent club in the league bar City since their arrival. Again, hard to compete with someone with bottomless pits of money who aren’t regulated and are taking a piss of the existing rules. I am as angry as anyone that we didn’t end up with even more silverware under Jurgen. It’s not like he was completely faultless though, but he would have had to been to go toe to toe with the cheats as well as having us competitive in Europe.

1. I don’t care

 

2. I don’t trust our wage bill it doesn’t make any sense and never has.

 

3. This happens because our owners don’t want to cough up. It’s nothing to do with players running down their contracts. The majority of players want to stay but we are rigid.

 

4. Stop blaming Man City!!!! Jurgen had them by the throat without a kings ransom because he’s world class. He demonstrated he could beat them. Where he was let down was at crucial junctures - they stopped backing him properly and it cost us a few pots.

 

Fine, I get your position, you are happy with them, that great. But expect us to drop a few places next season because that’s the nature of being run by these people.

[TD_LFC]

Don't know why, it just does...

 

 

[Scott_M]

The argument of “we’d have won more with more signings” is just the laziest fucking argument. 

[BeefStroganoff]

2 hours ago, Scott_M said:

The argument of “we’d have won more with more signings” is just the laziest fucking argument. 

What the fuck would you know? You’ve been literally wrong on everything for years.

[Scott_M]

33 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

What the fuck would you know? You’ve been literally wrong on everything for years.

Clearly…. Go back and check the posts from this summer on Gravenberch and squad growth…

 

Given I try to align my thought process to what experts and the lines from the club are (ie Lijnders & Graham) are, it’s funny how bad & wrong we all are. 
 

It’s amazing what educating yourself & a bit of thought can do, instead of posting the same lazy, ill informed & ignorant tripe. 
 

Why do you keep quoting me like some creepy voyeur? I’ve told you multiple times you’re on ignore and to leave me alone, it’s frankly weird so keep doing it. 

[Barrington Womble]

5 hours ago, lebron said:

 

Huh?

 

I have made quite a few posts on here detailing the shitness of modern football. I absolutely despise its current state, and like many my age have a hard time following with the enthusiasm I once did. Having foreign, absent owners is a necessary evil though, in a time where agents and players are raking in ludicrous sums from their negotiating and footballing ability. I just think there are MUCH worse alternatives out there, and people like you are extremely frustrated with our lack of winning trophies because we didn’t fund transfer X or salary Y.

 

We are already walking a think line in terms of being sustainable. I would rather have a stable club that wins occasionally than give in to ridiculous demands and risk another G&H situation. A LOT of the Premier League clubs are walking a tightrope in terms of this. I’m comfortable with us being one of those operating on the «right side» financially, even if it means we offer Salah a mere 300 000 pounds a week (and not 400 + a signing on fee).

 

I would of course not be happy with Abu Dhabi owning us, neither am I happy with them owning City. The PL/FA/Government are to blame for this though, not FSG (Had there been rules and consequences that were enforceable, our owners would be viewed in a much better light on here as well). I just think state ownership in its current form has completely eroded any situation where you can expect relative parity when there is no framework of rules to work within financially. I welcomed both international and national FFP/PSR rules, because I thought it might lead to football not eating itself, but cheaters always find a way. Hopefully City will be severely punished, but I am afraid the money involved will make it a slap on the wrist more than the actual punishment it deserves. 

 

To the bolded part. If you can’t see the difference with an authoritarian regime using a club as a sportswashing tool and a few American businessmen wanting to enrich themselves as well as having a plaything with which to win, I am not sure we are in the same stratosphere of our discussion. Agree that they are most likely cunts of one sort or another, most people that get that rich normally are. Comparing them to Abu Dhabi just isn’t close imo.

 

The rotten-ness and and lack of happiness I can agree with, I am just not getting worked up with what are comparatively decent owners to most out there.

My point is I'm not arsed with the difference, I don't want any of them here. It's probably all too late, but there's nothing good about any of them. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

I remember going the match and then talking about it. Like a court case on here sometimes it really is. Point scoring without a point sometimes, heard it all before.

I might excuse myself from this thread for reasons of sanity.

[Scott_M]

11 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

I remember going the match and then talking about it. Like a court case on here sometimes it really is. Point scoring without a point sometimes, heard it all before.

I might excuse myself from this thread for reasons of sanity.

It’s the whole forum these days.

 

The most feral inmates are running this asylum.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

12 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

It’s the whole forum these days.

 

The most feral inmates are running this asylum.

Both sides of the divide to ‘blame’ it’s a discussion point and it’s a forum and I do believe a lot of ‘wumming’ goes on then fair enough but to me it’s tedious now.

You and I have discussed FSG and you admit they could have done more, off the pitch they’ve done very well, on the pitch we could/should have done more.

In my mind failing to invest further cost us, when we really needed it, no one was talking hundreds of millions. It has been a joke on occasion and deep down you know it mate. There I go fucking discussing it haha!

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

My head hurts,going for a kip as I get tired easy now.

[Scott_M]

5 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Both sides of the divide to ‘blame’ it’s a discussion point and it’s a forum and I do believe a lot of ‘wumming’ goes on then fair enough but to me it’s tedious now.

You and I have discussed FSG and you admit they could have done more, off the pitch they’ve done very well, on the pitch we could/should have done more.

In my mind failing to invest further cost us, when we really needed it, no one was talking hundreds of millions. It has been a joke on occasion and deep down you know it mate. There I go fucking discussing it haha!

I know. I’ve said more could have been done at times, I also think there are some justifiable reasons why we didn’t. 
 

I do think “if we’d have signed more players we’d have won more” is an incredibly lazy argument. We’d have had to have signed about 6 centre backs in 20/21 to cover all the injuries! 

[Dave D]

FSG run it a tight ship and have managed to keep us challenging, up against Oil Billions with a football hobby a lot of the time.

 

Occasionally they might have done more but Klopp in particular seemed on the same page as them not making signings for signings sake. 
 

Sometimes, or so we’re led to believe, the money was available but players chose otherwise- Bellingham, Caicedo, Zubimendi.

 

(That said, it was gross negligence on their part to sign the cheque to make Nunez our record signing!)

 

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Scott_M said:

I know. I’ve said more could have been done at times, I also think there are some justifiable reasons why we didn’t. 
 

I do think “if we’d have signed more players we’d have won more” is an incredibly lazy argument. We’d have had to have signed about 6 centre backs in 20/21 to cover all the injuries! 

6 signings to cover 3 injuries? 

 

Just one, above league 2 standard might have done it

 

[BeefStroganoff]

28 minutes ago, Daisy said:

6 signings to cover 3 injuries? 

 

Just one, above league 2 standard might have done it

 

It’s the hyperbolic nature of it all - like it’s some sort of offence to want us to buy players.

 

Scotts wrong though. I do think it’s that simple. Look at Diaz when we signed him? It practically pushed us towards four trophies with just a small injection of momentum. Imagine if we’d have bought him and a midfielder in that window? We might have secured the league and champions league without running out of steam.

 

Anyway people just won’t learn. Next year will be very interesting indeed. If we secure the league will the owners do the minimum expected knowing we are already in the champions league and then deal with the consequences in the next summer? It’s possible because they certainly won’t finance a wholesale rebuild of the squad.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

2 hours ago, Scott_M said:

I know. I’ve said more could have been done at times, I also think there are some justifiable reasons why we didn’t. 
 

I do think “if we’d have signed more players we’d have won more” is an incredibly lazy argument. We’d have had to have signed about 6 centre backs in 20/21 to cover all the injuries! 

My memory isn’t the best currently but if that’s the year Lovren went he should have been replaced.

[Mook]

It's usually just one player in January or something would have made a huge difference but FSG don't have the appetite for it & that's a major part of the reason loads of us think they are cunts.

 

We don't want the club to throw money away like Chelsea but we also don't like the pishy excuses we get from men who are paid millions of pounds to sort recruitment & their lackies at The Athletic, every fucking window.

[Dave D]

Hard to argue, particularly on the January windows, but it always seemed Klopp was fully behind whatever approach we took, often going out of his way to justify it 

[Mook]

15 minutes ago, Dave D said:

Hard to argue, particularly on the January windows, but it always seemed Klopp was fully behind whatever approach we took, often going out of his way to justify it 

 

I'm not one for speculating on behind the scenes stuff but I have a hard time reconciling Klopp being all in on Kabak.

[Jose Jones]

6 minutes ago, Mook said:

 

I'm not one for speculating on behind the scenes stuff but I have a hard time reconciling Klopp being all in on Kabak.

At least Kabak played the odd game. The fella from Preston never got close.

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

13 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

At least Kabak played the odd game. The fella from Preston never got close.

 

Did he even exist?

[Scott_M]

11 hours ago, Daisy said:

6 signings to cover 3 injuries? 

 

Just one, above league 2 standard might have done it

 

Henderson got injured playing centre back.

 

Fabinho got injured playing centre back. 
 

Lovren should have been replaced. 

[Scott_M]

10 hours ago, Mook said:

It's usually just one player in January or something would have made a huge difference but FSG don't have the appetite for it & that's a major part of the reason loads of us think they are cunts.

 

We don't want the club to throw money away like Chelsea but we also don't like the pishy excuses we get from men who are paid millions of pounds to sort recruitment & their lackies at The Athletic, every fucking window.

But would it?

 

I like Diaz, he’s annoys me but I do like him as a player. 
 

We signed him, he did well. We were already in the League Cup Final. We had a favourable run in the FA Cup until the games at Wembley. We were already going great in the CL and got a favourable run in that. He was 2nd when we signed him and we were 2nd at the end (we did close the gap).

 

I’m dismissing Diaz’s contributions, I like him and he played well. IMO, I’m not convinced he propelled us towards a quadruple challenge. 
 

The same could be made for signing Gakpo. 

 

Now compare that to this season…

 

As I said, it’s a lazy argument. 
 

I will agree in the 20/21 season, there were also several reasons for that.

 

Also, who care what is written in the press? I’m far more concerned about what we do on the pitch. 

[Dave D]

11 hours ago, Mook said:

 

I'm not one for speculating on behind the scenes stuff but I have a hard time reconciling Klopp being all in on Kabak.

Sounds daft, but I think he was. He took the view that despite the centrebacks being injured, they are still at the club- he's not going to replace them. They will play again. I remember him saying at the time, how can he try and sign a top Centre Back but explain to them they wont play once his first choices are fit again.   

[Scott_M]

7 minutes ago, Dave D said:

Sounds daft, but I think he was. He took the view that despite the centrebacks being injured, they are still at the club- he's not going to replace them. They will play again. I remember him saying at the time, how can he try and sign a top Centre Back but explain to them they wont play once his first choices are fit again.   

Kabak was playing for Schalke, who was managed by David Werner, Klopp’s best mate. I’m sure Werner will have put in a good word.