Go fuck yourselves FSG

[3 Stacks]

13 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

 

What the clubs he has happened to be at have achieved have little to do with either him as a person or his professionalism. 

And they all wanted rid. And the fans of each hate him but I am sure he would agree with you.

As I said, I hope Trent ends up nothing like Sterling.

Trent is objectively not the most likeable either and he is likely on his way out.

[Pidge]

Is there anything more subjective than whether or not you like something?

[Red Banjo]

My big fear with the contract situation with Mo and Virgil is that they will have looked at Gini, Hendo, Bobby and Mane and conclude that the club was completely correct to not renew the contracts of these players and allow them to depart. The stats don't lie. All of them have done precisely nothing of note since they left. The risk/reward data chart will full of green dots and the nerds will be in full back slapping mode.

 

What they have failed to understand - and this is something that no spreadsheet on the planet will tell you - is that Mo and Virgil are not just regular players who contributed to a greater good. They were absolutely instrumental in the success of LFC and are generational footballers that simply cannot be replaced.

 

Data tells you some things, your fucking eyes tell you others. The fact they are not already on contract extensions and we are even having these conversations tells us that multiple people involved at the top of the club have massively failed to do their jobs. If they leave on free transfers - Edwards, Ward and Hughes should be following them out of the door.

 

It's absolutely ridiculous we are on the door of September and our 3 most important players are now 3 months away from being able to negotiate with other clubs.

[Pidge]

Just now, Red Banjo said:

My big fear with the contract situation with Mo and Virgil is that they will have looked at Gini, Hendo, Bobby and Mane and conclude that the club was completely correct to not renew the contracts of these players and allow them to depart. The stats don't lie. All of them have done precisely nothing of note since they left. The risk/reward data chart will full of green dots and the nerds will be in full back slapping mode.

 

What they have failed to understand - and this is something that no spreadsheet on the planet will tell you - is that Mo and Virgil are not just regular players who contributed to a greater good. They were absolutely instrumental in the success of LFC and are generational footballers that simply cannot be replaced.

 

Data tells you some things, your fucking eyes tell you others. The fact they are not already on contract extensions and we are even having these conversations tells us that multiple people involved at the top of the club have massively failed to do their jobs. If they leave on free transfers - Edwards, Ward and Hughes should be following out of the door.

 

It's absolutely ridiculous we are on the door of September and our 3 most important players are now 3 months away from being able to negotiate with other clubs.

Mane kind of created his own issue there, tbh. The others... I don't think their contribution towards the end was anywhere near as noticeably important to the team as Mo or Virgil.

 

Not making a concerted effort to extend them would be the dumbest possible mistake.

[TheHowieLama]

There would have been more than a few on here quite happy to bin off Mane a season earlier - his form at the tail end in a new role has clouded memories.

[TheHowieLama]

9 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Is there anything more subjective than whether or not you like something?

Nothing.

Equally there is nothing more objective than group consensus.

Most feel Sterling is a cunt. 

[Red Banjo]

3 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Mane kind of created his own issue there, tbh. The others... I don't think their contribution towards the end was anywhere near as noticeably important to the team as Mo or Virgil.

 

Not making a concerted effort to extend them would be the dumbest possible mistake.

 

Yeah, we are not privy to the conversations but Mane was clearly after a massive pay rise and then saw his arse because we were giving all the cake to Mo. In hindsight tho - they were right not to cave, and he went from being our match winner to Saudi within 12 months. Word is they now want rid of him too. Further justification for the nerds.

 

Mo's stock is still massive. He's still the best player on the pitch when he wants to be, and hes still the match winner week on week. It's gross negligence from the club. They can call it negotiation tactics or whatever. It's turbo charged stupidity.

 

[KMD7]

When Mane was good he was fucking sexy though. 

 

I know this doesn't add anything to the conversation but I felt it needed saying anyway. 

[3 Stacks]

17 minutes ago, Pidge said:

Is there anything more subjective than whether or not you like something?

Sure. Sterling isn't unlikable, then.

[Pidge]

6 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Sure. Sterling isn't unlikable, then.

 

In my opinion, you should stick to more objective judgements then.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

I actually don't disagree with a lot of what you say there. But there's an interesting couple of sentences you use I've put in bold..... It's their business and their business plan. It makes pure sense. The challenge I have their is I don't think football clubs should be treated as businesses to make rich people richer, which is what ours is. I don't think they're normal businesses and in this country (and I think across most of Europe), we accept that because we make exceptions in law for sport - yet we've sleep walked into the absolute shite how of modern PL team ownership. I am not measuring FSG against either city's owners or anyone else's really. I'm measuring what I want from an owner and for me, they're fucking shit owners. In exactly the same way, if I was an investor in FSG, I'd be delighted with what they achieve as businessmen. I completely accept the idea they are good business men. The risks they take are because money drives their choices and not sporting success. And really what I've just said there covers most of what else you say in the post. I think I'm looking for more from the owners of our club than you are. So we measure what they're doing differently

Okay, that’s all totally fair. If I was just judging it off what I personally ideally want from an owner, they’re fucking shit, football is shit, actually the wider country is a bunch of shit. I just think that ship fucked off over the horizon (or off the ice shelf, flat Earthers I see you out there) and we aren’t ever realistically getting that type of owner. Football is obviously big, big business. So I’m judging it from what we can realistically expect here and comparatively against what other owners are doing. That difference in thinking will get us different resulting opinions. 
 

If the minimum acceptable standard is a benevolent, generous fan with absolutely no skeletons in their closet, then no matter how competent our owners are they’d never be anywhere near good enough. If the minimum is to give what the club earns, well that’s really where we’ve been for most of their ownership, with what seems like the last couple of seasons starting to split from that. 
 

I basically want one or two 50-100m players per season - or when we need them - to build the team gradually. If we had Zubimendi or Varela or that other blert at Atalanta for 50-79m plus Lukeba or Hincapie (whoever the fuck these people are) for 50-70m, then that’s plenty enough for me not to get my knickers in a twist. As it stand, I’ve at least got half a wedgie over the lack of a DM. 
 

1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Have you used the new Annie road? If you had, you should understand the issue I have with lack of the lift or escalators at least. We've made large parts of the ground off limits for people who aren't disabled as such, but have health issues which means they can't stand all game. Aside from a few rows in the kop, the entire kop and lower Annie road is now safe standing. We've moved our ST from the kop because one of our mates can't stand all game. I've no issue with safe standing sections, in fact it's a good thing. We were happy to move to allow people who can appreciate that, enjoy it. But it puts greater onus on the other parts of the ground to have better accessibility. We have a relatively old fan base. Most ST holders will have had their STs for 30 years or more (40 years in my case) and most will have been at least adults when they got them. We told the club we wanted to move because of the issues with standing and this is the solution. About 6 flights of stairs. It's not right. And as I say, doesn't happen in their stand. Everton are building a new stadium, all upper tiers will have escalators. This is not something that is amazingly outrageous to do. It's part and parcel of building modern stadia. But that's not part of the business plan to monetise the stand as quickly as possible. 

I haven't used it, I’ve only seen tours on YouTube and those drone guys. As far I’ve seen it was on the way to being finished up by the new crews. I take your point about accessibility, I really have no idea about it and probably wouldn’t have noticed it myself, but I definitely accept that it is going to be an issue for some fans and is something the club should be mindful of. I guess I just don’t really look at individual issues like that in terms of how I judge the owners and perhaps I should. 

[Barrington Womble]

5 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Okay, that’s all totally fair. If I was just judging it off what I personally ideally want from an owner, they’re fucking shit, football is shit, actually the wider country is a bunch of shit. I just think that ship fucked off over the horizon (or off the ice shelf, flat Earthers I see you out there) and we aren’t ever realistically getting that type of owner. Football is obviously big, big business. So I’m judging it from what we can realistically expect here and comparatively against what other owners are doing. That difference in thinking will get us different resulting opinions. 
 

If the minimum acceptable standard is a benevolent, generous fan with absolutely no skeletons in their closet, then no matter how competent our owners are they’d never be anywhere near good enough. If the minimum is to give what the club earns, well that’s really where we’ve been for most of their ownership, with what seems like the last couple of seasons starting to split from that. 
 

I basically want one or two 50-100m players per season - or when we need them - to build the team gradually. If we had Zubimendi or Varela or that other blert at Atalanta for 50-79m plus Lukeba or Hincapie (whoever the fuck these people are) for 50-70m, then that’s plenty enough for me not to get my knickers in a twist. As it stand, I’ve at least got half a wedgie over the lack of a DM. 
 

I haven't used it, I’ve only seen tours on YouTube and those drone guys. As far I’ve seen it was on the way to being finished up by the new crews. I take your point about accessibility, I really have no idea about it and probably wouldn’t have noticed it myself, but I definitely accept that it is going to be an issue for some fans and is something the club should be mindful of. I guess I just don’t really look at individual issues like that in terms of how I judge the owners and perhaps I should. 

 

I don't disagree it's probably all too late to have different ownership structures around football.  But here's the rub. If we just accept all the shite, never rally against it, just pat ourselves on the back and say "well at least they're better than xxxxx" insert the latest bellend we want to look down our noses at, it'll keep moving further and further away from the ideal. We need to challenge these pricks every day to be the owners we deserve, football deserves. And it can work. They've rolled back lots of bad decisions because fans kicked off. All the owners of the big clubs needed to backtrack from the ESL. But for me, where we need to get to is to challenge them hard enough that they don't make these mistakes. They'll keep making them while their greed drives all decisions. 

 

I've said before, we have exceptions in law for football. I'd add to that. I would give a 5 year notice to implement 2 major things. 1. No state ownership of clubs. 2. Any profits, with from dividends or sale of clubs have a 90% tax on them and that money is donated to grass roots and community causes. It would get rid of most of the owners in the league in no time. 

[Moo]

That's now two of our most important players confirming the club has not spoken to them about new contracts. Looks like FSG trying to strip the club of it's biggest earners (and not offer Trent a big contract perhaps?).

Cheap bastards strike again.

[Lee909]

Huge news out of Leicester 

 

1. We understand Zubimendi's agent met #LFC officials in London on Monday night 2. Reliable source has told us that high ranking #FSG officials are currently in Saudi Arabia regarding investment 3. Leicester City & Ipswich making loan enquires on Endō

 

 

indykaila News on X: " Exclusive @LFC news: 1. We understand Zubimendi's agent met #LFC officials in London on Monday night 2. Reliable source has told us that high ranking #FSG officials are currently in Saudi Arabia regarding investment 3. Leicester City & Ipswich making loan enquires on Endō https://t.co/Dnvr7fg5GN" / X

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

If Indykaila is saying it...

[VladimirIlyich]

5 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If Indykaila is saying it...

...It's bollocks?

[El Dangerous]

17 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

If Indykaila is saying it...

Who the hell is serving the Zinger Burgers?

[VladimirIlyich]

On 31/08/2024 at 21:24, Barrington Womble said:

 

I don't disagree it's probably all too late to have different ownership structures around football.  But here's the rub. If we just accept all the shite, never rally against it, just pat ourselves on the back and say "well at least they're better than xxxxx" insert the latest bellend we want to look down our noses at, it'll keep moving further and further away from the ideal. We need to challenge these pricks every day to be the owners we deserve, football deserves. And it can work. They've rolled back lots of bad decisions because fans kicked off. All the owners of the big clubs needed to backtrack from the ESL. But for me, where we need to get to is to challenge them hard enough that they don't make these mistakes. They'll keep making them while their greed drives all decisions. 

 

I've said before, we have exceptions in law for football. I'd add to that. I would give a 5 year notice to implement 2 major things. 1. No state ownership of clubs. 2. Any profits, with from dividends or sale of clubs have a 90% tax on them and that money is donated to grass roots and community causes. It would get rid of most of the owners in the league in no time. 

Worrying about ownership of football clubs while the country is the way it is will not be on any government's hit list at the moment,nor likely should it be. And far more clubs lower down the pyramid have even more pressing needs than PL clubs. Hopefully there will be a time for that but it wont be for a while yet.

[Barrington Womble]

12 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Worrying about ownership of football clubs while the country is the way it is will not be on any government's hit list at the moment,nor likely should it be. And far more clubs lower down the pyramid have even more pressing needs than PL clubs. Hopefully there will be a time for that but it wont be for a while yet.

Oh, I don't expect it to happen. I think the football regulator made the kings speech, but I'd not be amazed if that was either dropped or watered down to a level that makes it pointless. FIFA are already calling it government interference and saying they'd expel English football from FIFA competition. And we know infantino is driven by the people who own him in the middle east. It's incredible how we saw the end of blatters corruption era, yet things hadn't even started. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Heading into October and the contracts haven't been sorted one way or the other is pretty fucking shit in my opinion. They probably want to reveal the ones they do if any in the January Transfer window to appease fans for doing fuck all again. Their ambition extends only to the value of their shares. When they tried to get an investor and realised the club may of hit its ceiling value they probably thought fuck spending the cash then.