Go fuck yourselves FSG

[TD_LFC]

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

 

That's quite a telling comparison you've just made there. 

 

Not my comparison, just pointing out the ridiculousness of expecting an unconnected company to consider the costs and needs of another.

[an tha]

The club of course market off the back of the flags and the atmosphere (although frankly the atmosphere is dying and is only rarely great these days, but that is another whole discussion)

 

So i can absolutely see why withdrawing the flags has been done....but sadly even though a flag itself does not make any noise i feel it has a negative effect on the atmosphere and at a time when the team need every bit of help they can get from the stands, the timing is unfortunate.

 

The club could have easily froze prices again though...

 

Whoever replaces Klopp will be on a lot less money....as will the staff the new manager brings in compared to Lijnders et al.

 

Thiago won't be collecting 200k a week to post 'back soon' on twatter/instagram and i have a feeling the summer will be maybe the right time to sell Salah.

 

The overall wage bill will likely come down and by a fair bit....so squeezing an extra few quid from ticket prices is IMO not needed...especially when they are actively driving getting more 'spend per seat' by putting in place ticket selling strategies that get more daytrippers/tourists in ground....

[Moo]

3 hours ago, an tha said:

The club of course market off the back of the flags and the atmosphere (although frankly the atmosphere is dying and is only rarely great these days, but that is another whole discussion)

 

So i can absolutely see why withdrawing the flags has been done....but sadly even though a flag itself does not make any noise i feel it has a negative effect on the atmosphere and at a time when the team need every bit of help they can get from the stands, the timing is unfortunate.

 

The club could have easily froze prices again though...

 

Whoever replaces Klopp will be on a lot less money....as will the staff the new manager brings in compared to Lijnders et al.

 

Thiago won't be collecting 200k a week to post 'back soon' on twatter/instagram and i have a feeling the summer will be maybe the right time to sell Salah.

 

The overall wage bill will likely come down and by a fair bit....so squeezing an extra few quid from ticket prices is IMO not needed...especially when they are actively driving getting more 'spend per seat' by putting in place ticket selling strategies that get more daytrippers/tourists in ground....

 

With greedy bastards there's always a need.

[Lee909]

3 hours ago, an tha said:

The club of course market off the back of the flags and the atmosphere (although frankly the atmosphere is dying and is only rarely great these days, but that is another whole discussion)

 

So i can absolutely see why withdrawing the flags has been done....but sadly even though a flag itself does not make any noise i feel it has a negative effect on the atmosphere and at a time when the team need every bit of help they can get from the stands, the timing is unfortunate.

 

The club could have easily froze prices again though...

 

Whoever replaces Klopp will be on a lot less money....as will the staff the new manager brings in compared to Lijnders et al.

 

Thiago won't be collecting 200k a week to post 'back soon' on twatter/instagram and i have a feeling the summer will be maybe the right time to sell Salah.

 

The overall wage bill will likely come down and by a fair bit....so squeezing an extra few quid from ticket prices is IMO not needed...especially when they are actively driving getting more 'spend per seat' by putting in place ticket selling strategies that get more daytrippers/tourists in ground....

 

 

The new manager(seems certain to be Amorim) and his staff might be on less money but that will all be eaten up and more by having to pay release fees for them. 

With PSR/FFP rules clubs will be trying to add every penny they can to the books. And we are not a club that can cover that money with a made up sponsorship from a company with no staff based out of Abu Dhabi

 

I said my piece on it the other day and as I said I don't go to games so won't argue with those that do and have to fork out for it

[Anubis]

9 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Why are you being such a smug cunt here?

 

 

You not met TD when it comes to defending FSG?

 

[Scott_M]

12 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

I'm emailing netflix and amazon to reduce their costs by 1% apiece to even it out.

That completely misses the point. 
 

The whole package of football is too expensive.

 

We’re living in a time where a lot of working class people are struggling as it is. While the 2% is only small and unlikely makes much of a difference to ability to go to the games, it’s also unnecessary for the club.

 

The clubs revenue was £594m last season. Is a 0.17% increase to supporters actually going to make a difference?

[Scott_M]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

 

 

You not met TD when it comes to defending FSG?

 

While I don’t agree with the increase or the way TD_LFC is making his point, some of the anti-FSG stuff is ridiculous. 

 

 

We’ve had years with no increase, we’re cheaper than our peers and we’re having the smallest increase of all clubs. 

The Ev are up 10%, City up 6%, the mancs up 5%…

 

Ours is a completely unnecessary increase and I don’t agree with it, it also could have been significantly worse. 

[TD_LFC]

57 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

The whole package of football is too expensive.

 

We’re living in a time where a lot of working class people are struggling as it is. While the 2% is only small and unlikely makes much of a difference to ability to go to the games, it’s also unnecessary for the club.

 

Of course it is, and even as the club with the single lowest ticket price and 6th lowest highest priced ticket in the PL it's still too expensive.

 

Personal view - Tickets should be capped across the board for all teams and frozen in price if there has to be an increase it should be proportional, justified and fans notified a season in advance if possible. A proportion of any price increase in adult tickets should be used to keep kids tickets subsidised.

 

Realistic view - That's not going to happen so keeping the tickets as low as possible and any increases as small as possible is the best we can hope for. Freezing tickets indefinitely while everyone around you increase theirs is great in the short term but when they then do have to increase the prices it's a lot easier to sell a small incremental increase than one big increase that is still significantly less than your competitors.

 

Never gonna happen view - Supporters have to start looking at football as a business and all parts of that business as a whole. You can't sneer at the announcement of sponsorships, rail against the money in the champions league, rally against ticket prices then suffer a bout of amnesia every July and January while you demand expensive shiny toys before going back to fighting the good fight against the riches and frivolousness of football when the window closes.

[Scott_M]

1 hour ago, TD_LFC said:

Never gonna happen view - Supporters have to start looking at football as a business and all parts of that business as a whole. You can't sneer at the announcement of sponsorships, rail against the money in the champions league, rally against ticket prices then suffer a bout of amnesia every July and January while you demand expensive shiny toys before going back to fighting the good fight against the riches and frivolousness of football when the window closes.

All these things should be enough to cover an unnecessary £1m per season increase. 

[Barrington Womble]

18 hours ago, TD_LFC said:

Its a weird cartel that unanimously agree to raise their prices by different amounts at wildly different price points in some supposed bonded show of group strength.

 

Love to hear the further rationale of how, with all the clubs in cahoots, tickets haven't standardised either amongst the 'big 6' the 'best of the rest' and your standard relegation fodder or how yearly increases aren't also standardised.

 

Need to be calling the heads of the five families if we offer both the single cheapest ticket in the league and the 6th lowest 'most expensive' ticket in the league all while increasing it by the lowest amount of those announced (outside of freezes) because this cartel isn't doing shit for the club.

They discuss it at premier league meetings. What more do you need to know? These clubs are supposed to be in competition, yet they openly agree on their pricing strategy in their meetings - it wouldn't be allowed in any other industry, it would be called price fixing. As i said in the previous post, each club prices where they think they can get away with. Those cunts in Boston, if they thought they could get away with 20% raised they would. They go for 2% because melts like you will apologise for them. 

 

When we use online stuff and get it for free, like Gmail, socials or whatever. At that moment it is free because you are the product. But at least it's free. At Liverpool more than any club, but I would say throughout the premier league, the fans are very much part of the product, except we're asked to pay more and more for it. They should be letting us in for free or at least the types of prices of away tickets. But all they want to do is rinse us for absolutely every fucking penny they can. The league in the main is owned by a bunch of international billionaires and repressive states, who's single aim is to line their own pockets directly or indirectly. They have no love for the sport or the people who make it what it is. Everywhere you turn, there's greed for greeds sake. It's fucking disgusting. 

[an tha]

10 hours ago, Lee909 said:

 

 

The new manager(seems certain to be Amorim) and his staff might be on less money but that will all be eaten up and more by having to pay release fees for them. 

With PSR/FFP rules clubs will be trying to add every penny they can to the books. And we are not a club that can cover that money with a made up sponsorship from a company with no staff based out of Abu Dhabi

 

I said my piece on it the other day and as I said I don't go to games so won't argue with those that do and have to fork out for it

I go semi regularly - and I am in all 3 ACS schemes.

 

I see no real justification for the rise in prices - but at same time I am fortunate enough for it not to be a problem for me in terms of affording it - I feel for anyone it may be a problem to.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

While I don’t agree with the increase or the way TD_LFC is making his point, some of the anti-FSG stuff is ridiculous. 

 

 

We’ve had years with no increase, we’re cheaper than our peers and we’re having the smallest increase of all clubs. 

The Ev are up 10%, City up 6%, the mancs up 5%…

 

Ours is a completely unnecessary increase and I don’t agree with it, it also could have been significantly worse. 

This is why I'm not on board with the protests: prices have been held and that can't go on forever.  The proposed increases are undeniably affordable: nobody at Anfield is being priced out of the game.  Calling for no price rises, ever, is just stupid.

 

The timing of it is inevitable: this is the time of year when next year's prices get announced.

 

If the problem is that they didn't fulfil the promise to consult, I get that; by all means, protest that, but not in a way that can affect the team.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

14 minutes ago, an tha said:

I see no real justification for the rise in prices - but at same time I am fortunate enough for it not to be a problem for me in terms of affording it - I feel for anyone it may be a problem to.

It's 2%.

[Scott_M]

3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's 2%.

It would be easier to justify a 10-15% rise. 
 

2% is a drop in the ocean. 

[an tha]

7 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's 2%.

I know.

 

But there are always potentially people who are close to the line - and yeah you can argue if money is really tight then going the game would not be any sort of priority, I am just looking at it from a being decent perspective - you just never know and when games are coming thick and fast with all the other price increase pressures, there may be people who it causes a pinch point to.

 

I'd personally rather they upped the price of the scran and stuff they sell in ground - as that is overpriced already i would imagine (though never buy it myself) and it is not a necessity at game like a ticket for people, it is a choice and frankly one that the people making it can clearly easily afford as they are choosing to buy in ground as opposed to the much cheaper options available in the vicinity of the ground and other places en route...

[Barrington Womble]

9 minutes ago, an tha said:

I know.

 

But there are always potentially people who are close to the line - and yeah you can argue if money is really tight then going the game would not be any sort of priority, I am just looking at it from a being decent perspective - you just never know and when games are coming thick and fast with all the other price increase pressures, there may be people who it causes a pinch point to.

 

I'd personally rather they upped the price of the scran and stuff they sell in ground - as that is overpriced already i would imagine (though never buy it myself) and it is not a necessity at game like a ticket for people, it is a choice and frankly one that the people making it can clearly easily afford as they are choosing to buy in ground as opposed to the much cheaper options available in the vicinity of the ground and other places en route...

 

Spot on. 

There are loads and loads of people priced out of going already. They could freeze the prices for 20 years and it'd probably still be too expensive. Like you, it doesn't really make much difference to me, in fact I don't even really know what I paid last year, so they could probably put 2% on mine and I might not notice they'd done it. But I do know lads who have given tickets up in recent years because they can't justify it anymore or given up all together as they we're on per match tickets and just can't afford it. Just because fsg can raise the prices, doesn't mean they should. 

 

 

[Jairzinho]

2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's 2%.

 

Your staunch defence of FSG is a little odd baring in mind your radically different stance to economics/politics on the GF, Mal.

 

Do you actually like them? Or just relative to the rest?

[Moo]

How long until the scales fall from some people's eyes? I think the start of the 2025-26 season is going to be very, very ugly.

[Barrington Womble]

If some of these clubs want to give back to their fans and keep tickets prices where they are, perhaps they could pay these fucking agent leeches less. Our 2% which will hurt many in our fanbase, raises just 2m. Yet we blow over 30m to these cunts. More than 400m spent across the league in just 1 season. 

 

 

[SasaS]

7 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Your staunch defence of FSG is a little odd baring in mind your radically different stance to economics/politics on the GF, Mal.

 

Do you actually like them? Or just relative to the rest?

 

I just couldn't help but read it in the voice of George Galloway.

[BeefStroganoff]

On 12/04/2024 at 09:52, BeefStroganoff said:

Wish it was that easy. I didn’t know what to do with myself anfter the match Sunday and then Monday I woke up and just didn’t care.

 

Even last night although I commented I’m just not feeling it anymore. I enjoyed it at the ground last night but I also don’t really miss it. 
 

I think I’m more affected by the media surrounding it all and the wall to wall coverage across tv, streaming, youtube, social media and print.

 

I don’t think we will win it now, somethings not right with the team, they’ve given it a good go and should never have been in the conversation anyway considering.

 

I just hate footy now, hate it. Oversaturated, greedy, corrupt and bait inducing. It’s actually really bad for your well being, your anger and those around you.

 

Klopp is the last of old school and it’s probably best to go out with him.

To myself:

 

This is a blatant lie now. I’ve been stewing and seething since the game finished and I hate just about everybody at the club right now.

[El Rojo]

15 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

To myself:

 

This is a blatant lie now. I’ve been stewing and seething since the game finished and I hate just about everybody at the club right now.

Please don’t say you’ve even turned on Mini Klopp.

[BeefStroganoff]

17 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Please don’t say you’ve even turned on Mini Klopp.

 

I don't like VVD because he's too arrogant to be a centre back. Worst trait ever.

I don't like Jurgen because he announced his leaving half way through a season.

I don't like Salah because twice he's come back broken from his country crappy third rate tournament.

I don't like Szoboslai because for all his talent, he lacks application.

I don't like Nunez because for all his chaos he misses easy chances that costs us games and im sick of his grinning mug.

 

They are all on my hit list tonight.

[Daisy]

7 hours ago, BeefStroganoff said:

 

I don't like VVD because he's too arrogant to be a centre back. Worst trait ever.

I don't like Jurgen because he announced his leaving half way through a season.

I don't like Salah because twice he's come back broken from his country crappy third rate tournament.

I don't like Szoboslai because for all his talent, he lacks application.

I don't like Nunez because for all his chaos he misses easy chances that costs us games and im sick of his grinning mug.

 

They are all on my hit list tonight.

Cunts

[Anubis]

19 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

It's 2%.

It’s not though, is it?

 

It’s 2% on a match ticket.

 

But it’s a lot more on your utility bill, your mortgage/rent, your car insurance, your weekly shop to feed your family.