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On 29/07/2021 at 23:43, aRdja said:

But that $100m profit would exclude any cash movements that has no P&L impact e.g., cash instalments from purchases made in prior years, or cash outgoings from transfers in the current year. The reason accrual basis accounting where player costs get recognised over of the life of the contract is to show the fairest representation of financial performance of the current year, so that it couldn’t be manipulated with various payment terms. All the previous results yourself have mentioned in this thread refer to P&L statements, and as Daisy showed player amortisation is one of the largest costs. To now dismiss it as irrelevant would be at best misguided or at worst disingenuous IMO, 

 

14 hours ago, Dr Nowt said:

We’ve got an obtuse. Just need a thick and a disingenuous and we have the important internet debate full house.

 

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12 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

FSG but FSG adding a bit more cash now and then when it's needed. We have plenty of quiet windows we should have some big ones too if it calls for it. I know it is a business but first more than anything  it's elite level sport and we are an elite level club if you just want a business to keep your cash safe and hopefully make interest then fuck off and buy the post office or something, you buy one of the most famous football clubs in the most watched league in the world you've entered a different kind of business at the very least don't blow smoke up our arses. We should be able to sign players without the constant analysing. We don't need to make the books balance every transfer window (FFP doesn't require that). If we signed an 80 million pound player tomorrow half our fans would be shitting about the financial impact rather than the improvement to the team. 

 

As anti FSG as this sounds I really am not, they're good owners who have done a superb job by at last employing the right people but first and foremost we are a footballing institution and these days it feels like the most important thing to fans is the owners money being safe and risk averse to loss. You own LFC don't stand idle while others improve, seek to be the best  there is no reason  Liverpools revenues can't go on to match uniteds but that will only come with prolonged success not a flash in the pan and then its job done for another 30 years.

 

I am pro fsg but I'm gutted at the thought we are making Klopps job harder than it needs to be and we won't make the most of his last few years here, he's not going to build another team, we need to evolve it while he's here, so the next person doesn't have to do what we've done for the last 30 years before him. The post sounds panicky but I'm not I'm chill I just want us to do a bit more and not look back with regret like last January for example, doing the minimum we could get away with cost us a title challenge in my opinion.

 

So after all that bollocks. FSG are good owners I just want us to be billy big bollocks now and then because we are Liverpool a giant and I am a cake and eat it type of person.

 

Plus the window is still open for a while and I'm fairly certain we will do business.

 

 

 

Great post, and very much my position. No real issue with FSG owning us, just wish they would let up a bit on the whole self sustaining thing and pitch a bit of their own obvious wealth into the transfer pot.

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10 hours ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

That's sort of the point though. We shouldn't have to choose between a left back and a centre back, we needed both. We gambled on VVD not getting injured. I realise that we don't have a blank chequebook like City but we should be able to have 2 decent options and then a few younger players to make up the numbers. 

 

Phillips was a weird one. He played against West Ham and Newcastle and did pretty well, Presumably from what we'd seen in training we didn't think he was up to it long term? 

 

Correct. Why we could only afford one or the other is pretty desperate even with the impact of Covid on the finances.

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I just wish modern football didn't involve discussions about money very much and success was earned more on the pitch than how much money you spend. Most modern owners are crooks,ours are just slightly less crooked than most.

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On 30/07/2021 at 19:40, MegadriveMan said:

 

That's sort of the point though. We shouldn't have to choose between a left back and a centre back, we needed both. We gambled on VVD not getting injured. I realise that we don't have a blank chequebook like City but we should be able to have 2 decent options and then a few younger players to make up the numbers. 

 

Phillips was a weird one. He played against West Ham and Newcastle and did pretty well, Presumably from what we'd seen in training we didn't think he was up to it long term? 

I don't think enough recognition is given to the fact that it really is unusual to lose three senior CBs for more than half a season. 

 

I don't see it as a big risk to have made 3 significant signings but no CB last summer. The real mistake was delaying until the end of January to make some sticking-plaster CB signings: had we done that at the start of January, we might have had a few more weeks of the sort of form we showed for the last 10 games.

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10 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I don't think enough recognition is given to the fact that it really is unusual to lose three senior CBs for more than half a season. 

 

I don't see it as a big risk to have made 3 significant signings but no CB last summer. The real mistake was delaying until the end of January to make some sticking-plaster CB signings: had we done that at the start of January, we might have had a few more weeks of the sort of form we showed for the last 10 games.


That depends on the injury record of 2 of those 3 CB’s though Mal. 

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On 31/07/2021 at 07:40, Anubis said:

Buy somebody,  you cunts.

 

Dani Olmo and maybe 1 more striker coming in would be nice.  Don't really feel we need anyone else.  

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8 minutes ago, stringvest said:

 

Dani Olmo and maybe 1 more striker coming in would be nice.  Don't really feel we need anyone else.  


Yes please! 
 

Have we even been linked with him though? 

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On 30/07/2021 at 19:04, Moo said:

What bit is actual bollocks?

People moan and criticise for the sake of it all the time, about all different stuff, if everyone agreed there would be no forum.

Why should FSG be spared criticism?

This is what that pisses me off not once have i said you cant moan about the owners, he is free to do so and fucking does endlessly. What is Bollocks is that when i asked him what owner he would want running the club he has no fucking answer other than some fairy tale benevolent dispenser of cash who doesn't exist.  

I want a new owner as well, who pays for all out rickets and has a herd of rainbow shitting Unicorns for the kids

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5 hours ago, johnsusername said:

Reckon Michael Edwards is on a massive holiday. 

He needs Parry's Barbados travel agent. Helped him leave players on runways for a solid decade.

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11 hours ago, lifetime fan said:


That depends on the injury record of 2 of those 3 CB’s though Mal. 

Joe Gomez.

2017/18  -  Ankle injury

2018/19  -  Broken leg

2019/20  -  No injury

Nothing there to make you think he's injury prone.

 

Joel Matip

2016/17  -  Thigh injury

2017/18  -  Hamstring injury

2017/18  -  Broken collarbone

2019/20  -  Ankle injury & Knee injury

Not a great record, but, off the back of an unlucky season with two unrelated injuries, there's not much reason to think he couldn't get through most of the season, even if you might expect him to miss a fair chunk.

 

More to the point, I don't think there's been a great amount of time when both Gomez and Matip have been unavailable.  For both of them to have the worst injuries of their careers at the same time really wasn't as foreseeable as everyone (with the benefit of hindsight) now says.  For it to happen when van Dijk also had the worst injury of his career is insanely bad luck.

 

Obviously, with hindsight I can say I wish we'd also bought a CB last summer, but at the time I was happy with Klopp's choices, so I can't complain now.

 

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1 hour ago, Horus said:

He needs Parry's Barbados travel agent. Helped him leave players on runways for a solid decade.

What's Ian Ayre doing these days?  Still hanging around Ukrainian hotel lobbies?

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Somebody posted earlier that we should learn from our mistakes, and this is the whole point.

Two seasons ago we won the League and prior to that the CL and we’ve pretty much sat on our hands compared to other clubs in our league even though we have bought one decent player in Jota and potentially another in Konate. I hope Thiago can show his true worth too this season.

While City, United and Chelsea have more spend than us, we’ve seen other clubs as well spend more in an effort to get into the top four, and they’ve almost succeeded.

The time to speculate was when those two trophies were in our possession, when we were cash rich, and able to attract the best players, and instead we speculated we’d have enough to get by and barely scraped into the top four.

Knowing this, what have we done? We’ve bought Lovren’s replacement 12 months too late and, up to now, nobody else.

I don’t include contract renewals or the need to sell players on because that applies to other teams as well, and as for satisfying FFP, we’ll that’s a busted flush as proven by City and Chelsea.
We always used to improve the squad when we were winning things, for those of you who remember them days, and so we shouldn’t just learn from our mistakes, we should learn from our history too.

 

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2 hours ago, coachpotato said:

We’ve pretty much sat on our hands compared to other clubs in our league even though we have bought one decent player in Jota and potentially another in Konate.

Don't disagree with your points but your username is ironic to the points in bold.

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18 hours ago, index1000 said:

This is what that pisses me off not once have i said you cant moan about the owners, he is free to do so and fucking does endlessly. What is Bollocks is that when i asked him what owner he would want running the club he has no fucking answer other than some fairy tale benevolent dispenser of cash who doesn't exist.  

I want a new owner as well, who pays for all out rickets and has a herd of rainbow shitting Unicorns for the kids

So its bollocks because he can't give you an exact owner? The only bollocks is in your post. You, me, him know absolutely fuck all about who is out there and who would be interested should FSG decide to sell up, so its a fucking pointless question to ask someone.

 

As regards FSG, they have always been shite. They are brilliant at making themselves money, thats clear, but with regards to football they've continually failed. Bare minimum squad upkeep, tickets fiasco, trademarking, Super League, furlough, stadium and now failing to make the success stick and be sustainable for the long term. Its only Jurgen thats made it work, he's the golden goose here. He was the obvious fit for us with World Class potential so you can't even give FSG much praise for bringing him in, he wasn't an unknown, I think every man on the street coveted him for manager.

 

Even the much praised Edwards was floundering like a wet fish before Jurgen arrived. Jurgen has allowed the model to work and his self drive to succeed, his desire to make everything fit and his unbelievable work ethic has dragged this Club from the doldrums under Rogers to be a force to be reckoned with on the pitch. 

 

But heres the rub, the fella has only got so much spark and so much energy. At some point he needs a helping hand. He needed it badly last year and was met with fucking nothing and he needs it this year too. He can't fucking do it on his own and be expected to work miracles every season on a shoestring budget.

 

You'll see the worm turn when he goes and we bring in someone missing the parts to make it work, we will slowly move back into the 7-5 slots in the league.

 

Make no mistake Klopps the hurricane that makes everything move in this Club and whens he's gone theres gonna be a massive wake up call to everyone who didn't realise just how unique he was.

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10 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Joe Gomez.

2017/18  -  Ankle injury

2018/19  -  Broken leg

2019/20  -  No injury

Nothing there to make you think he's injury prone.

 

Joel Matip

2016/17  -  Thigh injury

2017/18  -  Hamstring injury

2017/18  -  Broken collarbone

2019/20  -  Ankle injury & Knee injury

Not a great record, but, off the back of an unlucky season with two unrelated injuries, there's not much reason to think he couldn't get through most of the season, even if you might expect him to miss a fair chunk.

 

More to the point, I don't think there's been a great amount of time when both Gomez and Matip have been unavailable.  For both of them to have the worst injuries of their careers at the same time really wasn't as foreseeable as everyone (with the benefit of hindsight) now says.  For it to happen when van Dijk also had the worst injury of his career is insanely bad luck.

 

Obviously, with hindsight I can say I wish we'd also bought a CB last summer, but at the time I was happy with Klopp's choices, so I can't complain now.

 

Just fucking WOW.

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18 hours ago, index1000 said:

This is what that pisses me off not once have i said you cant moan about the owners, he is free to do so and fucking does endlessly. What is Bollocks is that when i asked him what owner he would want running the club he has no fucking answer other than some fairy tale benevolent dispenser of cash who doesn't exist.  

I want a new owner as well, who pays for all out rickets and has a herd of rainbow shitting Unicorns for the kids

i don't care who own us i just want a rainbow shitting unicorn !!! 

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