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No idea about the figures and what we should or shouldn't be spending but I suppose my main gripe with them is that when they sell us, they are going to make an absolute fortune so I think in the meantime they should increase the transfer pot a bit, at least for the odd massive talent. But they are business men and they run us as a business so that's not going to happen unfortunately. 

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4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

Honestly, I can't be arsed discussing this any more. It's a 10 year ongoing discussion and nothing in our figures make sense, which is part of my point. I think everyone is being conned by them and we're miles from skint. I could pick all kinds of holes in what you've typed there, but we're just going around in circles. 

I will probably regret asking this but who do you want as owners? 

What is the requirement.

 

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Just now, index1000 said:

I will probably regret asking this but who do you want as owners? 

What is the requirement.

 

I want owners who prioritise the sport before profit. I realise that it would be pretty unlikely to find that type of owner now we're worth $3bn, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't expect them to do that. These owners choose greed before absolutely everything and have done throughout their time here. Each time they get caught out, all of our fans who want to believe the best of them give it "they'll learn from this", but they never do, because they're greedy cunts who are here to squeeze every last cent out of us. I don't expect new owners because I don't think they'll sell for anything less than about 30% above  the value of the business. But it doesn't mean they should get a free ride and not challenged at every turn. 

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23 minutes ago, Street Preacher said:

No idea about the figures and what we should or shouldn't be spending but I suppose my main gripe with them is that when they sell us, they are going to make an absolute fortune so I think in the meantime they should increase the transfer pot a bit, at least for the odd massive talent. But they are business men and they run us as a business so that's not going to happen unfortunately. 

 

24 minutes ago, Street Preacher said:

No idea about the figures and what we should or shouldn't be spending but I suppose my main gripe with them is that when they sell us, they are going to make an absolute fortune so I think in the meantime they should increase the transfer pot a bit, at least for the odd massive talent. But they are business men and they run us as a business so that's not going to happen unfortunately. 

Sorry for the double post there but this is the thing that gets me. How is it bad that we are being run as a solvent successful business? Do you want the opposite? Chancers who want to flip the club for a quick buck? Russian Roulette owner who doesn't care if we go down in flames like the cunts who took over Bolton, Blackburn and Sunderland. 

The twat at Newcastle? Or a fucking disgusting Slave supporting 'look at us we're good guys really' Qatari/Emirate/Arabla .

Be careful what you moan for

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1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

I want owners who prioritise the sport before profit. I realise that it would be pretty unlikely to find that type of owner now we're worth $3bn, but it doesn't mean I shouldn't expect them to do that. These owners choose greed before absolutely everything and have done throughout their time here. Each time they get caught out, all of our fans who want to believe the best of them give it "they'll learn from this", but they never do, because they're greedy cunts who are here to squeeze every last cent out of us. I don't expect new owners because I don't think they'll sell for anything less than about 30% above  the value of the business. But it doesn't mean they should get a free ride and not challenged at every turn. 

What fucking bollocks. So you are moaning for the fucking sake of it. You want owners who don't exist. Boo HOO they make a Profit Boo Hoo trying to maximise returns.

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FSG but FSG adding a bit more cash now and then when it's needed. We have plenty of quiet windows we should have some big ones too if it calls for it. I know it is a business but first more than anything  it's elite level sport and we are an elite level club if you just want a business to keep your cash safe and hopefully make interest then fuck off and buy the post office or something, you buy one of the most famous football clubs in the most watched league in the world you've entered a different kind of business at the very least don't blow smoke up our arses. We should be able to sign players without the constant analysing. We don't need to make the books balance every transfer window (FFP doesn't require that). If we signed an 80 million pound player tomorrow half our fans would be shitting about the financial impact rather than the improvement to the team. 

 

As anti FSG as this sounds I really am not, they're good owners who have done a superb job by at last employing the right people but first and foremost we are a footballing institution and these days it feels like the most important thing to fans is the owners money being safe and risk averse to loss. You own LFC don't stand idle while others improve, seek to be the best  there is no reason  Liverpools revenues can't go on to match uniteds but that will only come with prolonged success not a flash in the pan and then its job done for another 30 years.

 

I am pro fsg but I'm gutted at the thought we are making Klopps job harder than it needs to be and we won't make the most of his last few years here, he's not going to build another team, we need to evolve it while he's here, so the next person doesn't have to do what we've done for the last 30 years before him. The post sounds panicky but I'm not I'm chill I just want us to do a bit more and not look back with regret like last January for example, doing the minimum we could get away with cost us a title challenge in my opinion.

 

So after all that bollocks. FSG are good owners I just want us to be billy big bollocks now and then because we are Liverpool a giant and I am a cake and eat it type of person.

 

Plus the window is still open for a while and I'm fairly certain we will do business.

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, index1000 said:

 

Sorry for the double post there but this is the thing that gets me. How is it bad that we are being run as a solvent successful business? Do you want the opposite? Chancers who want to flip the club for a quick buck? Russian Roulette owner who doesn't care if we go down in flames like the cunts who took over Bolton, Blackburn and Sunderland. 

The twat at Newcastle? Or a fucking disgusting Slave supporting 'look at us we're good guys really' Qatari/Emirate/Arabla .

Be careful what you moan for

Not at all. I don't want some Man City or Chelsea situation where we ridiculous sums every summer, but I think there's some wiggle room with regards to our transfer spend. 

 

I'm happy with a lot of what they've done. The revenues are obviously much better and they finally got the management side of things right when they brought Jurgen in, so I'm not someone who is anti-fsg.

 

Take January for instance. If we had spent what needed to be spent and got our centre backs in early then the end of the season may have been a lot less dicey. 

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47 minutes ago, index1000 said:

What fucking bollocks. So you are moaning for the fucking sake of it. You want owners who don't exist. Boo HOO they make a Profit Boo Hoo trying to maximise returns.

Bellend. 

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56 minutes ago, index1000 said:

What fucking bollocks. So you are moaning for the fucking sake of it. You want owners who don't exist. Boo HOO they make a Profit Boo Hoo trying to maximise returns.

Exactly. It's always the owners should put money into the club or the new thing, take a loan so it can buy players. Why, if the owner's position is all clubs should spend what they earn, should they put extra money into the club making them hypocrites to what they say to city, chelsea and any others who do that?

 

People dont seem to realise if they put money into the club it means they will take it out at some point. Yeah, we know the usual say they are but they havent proven anything.

 

As for taking loans out to buy like arsenal and spurs are reported to have done, that's just loading debt on the club. Again, debt to be repaid.

 

It's the same with this shout of 'I dont expect the club to be buying £60m - £70m players' but then the same people say what's the point of us buying £30m - £40m players when city and chelsea are talking about spending £100m+ each for Kane, Grealish and Haaland?

 

Some on here have a pathological hatred of these owners. Myself, Im grateful Peter Lim or Gillett's hedge fund bankers looking to recover their losses didnt buy the club when they had the opportunity.

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3 hours ago, Scott_M said:

A classic “I don’t understand the accounts, but I’m right and despite the fact I always bring it up,  I’m not discussing it anymore because I’m right” post from The Wrong One there. 

Yeah Ardja being a cock init 

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34 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Yeah Ardja being a cock init 


aRdja hasn’t been a cock at all. He’s been incredibly patient. 
 

Neither you or Barry Wrong can answer the questions he’s posed, are claiming the subject is tedious (despite it being you two who bring it up) & throwing hissy fits because you clearly don’t understand the points aRdja is making. 

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2 hours ago, index1000 said:

What fucking bollocks. So you are moaning for the fucking sake of it. You want owners who don't exist. Boo HOO they make a Profit Boo Hoo trying to maximise returns.

What bit is actual bollocks?

People moan and criticise for the sake of it all the time, about all different stuff, if everyone agreed there would be no forum.

Why should FSG be spared criticism?

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1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I am pro fsg but I'm gutted at the thought we are making Klopps job harder than it needs to be and we won't make the most of his last few years here, he's not going to build another team, we need to evolve it while he's here, so the next person doesn't have to do what we've done for the last 30 years before him. The post sounds panicky but I'm not I'm chill I just want us to do a bit more and not look back with regret like last January for example, doing the minimum we could get away with cost us a title challenge in my opinion.

 

 

This sums up FSG though for me. 

 

We were top of the league going in to the January transfer window, but in desperate need of a centre back. If we had a deal wrapped up and a player ready to come in at the start of the window, it would have given the hole team a lift, restored Fabinho back to midfield and we would have challenged for the title at least. We decided to rest on our laurels though, assuming that top four was in the bag.

 

We are in danger of turning in to Arsenal under Wenger. This constant bare minimum attitude is going to start to hurt us sooner rather than later. 

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The problem this January was if you're looking to buy a 21 year old CB with potential like we ended up doing with Konate and that's your long term target, you're not going to want to spend big on someone short term just to curb an injury issue and wreck your long term plan. 

 

So yeah, what we ended up doing was the bare minimum with Kabak and Davies but if your view is to stick with a plan you've made, then you can justify that decision. Also, even had we paid a bigger fee for Konate in January, he'd not have won us the league. He's a 21 (now 22) year old CB at the end of the day.

 

In the end, Klopp has made that look like a half decent decision with the fact we still qualified for the Champions League, which is what Klopp does, so there you go.

 

I don't know, this "Liverpool wait for the right player" thing might be propaganda and we might be better served to just throw money around like Chelsea do on someone like Ziyech to be like their 6th forward and then possibly look to flip him a year later when it turns out he won't play a lot, but I just don’t think we could do that.

 

 

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9 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

This sums up FSG though for me. 

 

We were top of the league going in to the January transfer window, but in desperate need of a centre back. If we had a deal wrapped up and a player ready to come in at the start of the window, it would have given the hole team a lift, restored Fabinho back to midfield and we would have challenged for the title at least. We decided to rest on our laurels though, assuming that top four was in the bag.

 

We are in danger of turning in to Arsenal under Wenger. This constant bare minimum attitude is going to start to hurt us sooner rather than later. 

I think Klopp should take a share of the blame for that fuck up though. We used the lovren money to buy tsimikas when everyone of us were worried about going into the season with 3 centre backs of which 2 are guaranteed to miss half a season. After winning the league he was in a position of power to demand reinforcements there. 
 

By the time January came round we’d lost the 3 of them and no top clubs are looking to sell there best centre half so we were reduced to looking at the likes of Kabak who we clearly didn’t want until it became forced on us and an unknown from Preston. 

 

We had Phillips already there and he delayed it far too long getting him into the team and weakened us by playing our best centre mids there trying to be smart. 
 

Hopefully a big lesson learned 

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9 minutes ago, Red74 said:

I think Klopp should take a share of the blame for that fuck up though. We used the lovren money to buy tsimikas when everyone of us were worried about going into the season with 3 centre backs.

 

That's sort of the point though. We shouldn't have to choose between a left back and a centre back, we needed both. We gambled on VVD not getting injured. I realise that we don't have a blank chequebook like City but we should be able to have 2 decent options and then a few younger players to make up the numbers. 

 

Phillips was a weird one. He played against West Ham and Newcastle and did pretty well, Presumably from what we'd seen in training we didn't think he was up to it long term? 

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5 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

That's sort of the point though. We shouldn't have to choose between a left back and a centre back, we needed both. We gambled on VVD not getting injured. I realise that we don't have a blank chequebook like City but we should be able to have 2 decent options and then a few younger players to make up the numbers. 

 

Phillips was a weird one. He played against West Ham and Newcastle and did pretty well, Presumably from what we'd seen in training we didn't think he was up to it long term? 

Klopp was telling us all when the January window opened that we had to make do as there was no money to spend. He should have had Phillips ready to go although as you say, he mustn’t have been pulling up any trees in training as he was only used as the last resort.

 

I’m just hoping that we’re not restricted in buying any forwards this summer cos Origi and Minamino are still on the books. 

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6 minutes ago, Red74 said:

Klopp was telling us all when the January window opened that we had to make do as there was no money to spend. He should have had Phillips ready to go although as you say, he mustn’t have been pulling up any trees in training as he was only used as the last resort.

 

I’m just hoping that we’re not restricted in buying any forwards this summer cos Origi and Minamino are still on the books. 

 

Origi and Minamino need to go! Its obvious they will never get anywhere near the level required to make it here.

 

I'd happily get rid of them both to the highest bidder, and ideally bring in at least one replacement. I'd even go as far to say get rid of them both and let one of the youngsters that have been playing in pre season have a go.   

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4 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

 

Origi and Minamino need to go! Its obvious they will never get anywhere near the level required to make it here.

 

I'd happily get rid of them both to the highest bidder, and ideally bring in at least one replacement. I'd even go as far to say get rid of them both and let one of the youngsters that have been playing in pre season have a go.   

I’d take offers from the lowest bidder. Neither of them have got the mentality to stay here anymore. Juergens the patron saint of lost causes tho so hopefully a little crisis of faith materialises and he gets shut ASAP 

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1 hour ago, Red74 said:

I think Klopp should take a share of the blame for that fuck up though. We used the lovren money to buy tsimikas when everyone of us were worried about going into the season with 3 centre backs of which 2 are guaranteed to miss half a season. After winning the league he was in a position of power to demand reinforcements there. 
 

By the time January came round we’d lost the 3 of them and no top clubs are looking to sell there best centre half so we were reduced to looking at the likes of Kabak who we clearly didn’t want until it became forced on us and an unknown from Preston. 

 

We had Phillips already there and he delayed it far too long getting him into the team and weakened us by playing our best centre mids there trying to be smart. 
 

Hopefully a big lesson learned 

I don't agree klopp takes part of the blame. He had to take a gamble because they were too fucking tight to let him have a backup left back. So he had to rob Peter to pay Paul. 

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7 hours ago, Street Preacher said:

No idea about the figures and what we should or shouldn't be spending but I suppose my main gripe with them is that when they sell us, they are going to make an absolute fortune so I think in the meantime they should increase the transfer pot a bit, at least for the odd massive talent. But they are business men and they run us as a business so that's not going to happen unfortunately. 

 

You could look at fans though, I guess, as the "shareholders".

Increasing the transfer pot to make "shareholders" happy and the end product better (the team and its results) - in the knowledge you are guaranteed a fortune when it is time to sell - is an accepted, legitimate and even good business practice, isn't it?

 

But I guess that then depends on whether or not your business is run/owned by ruthless, greedy cunts... who know, in this instance, that the "shareholders" are irrelevant and inconsequential.

 

 

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