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1 hour ago, aRdja said:

I see, so you think the numbers are right, but you don’t believe the stories posted by LFC journalists around that. I have no issues with that. It’s the suggestion that they’re fiddling with the numbers, inflating salary costs, hand-in-hand with the auditors, only so that internet fans don’t get angry when we don’t buy the players they want is what I find laughable and QAnon-esque.
 

Like you Barry, if it was up to me I’d rather if the club was a multibillionaire’s vanity project, not unlike City, who could just keep buying expensive flops until they find the right player. However I’m in my 30s and without a doubt, the best time I’ve had as a Liverpool supporter has been under their ownership. I don’t recall another Liverpool team having at least seven of the absolute very best players in for world in the squad (Salah, Mane, Alisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, and Thiago) so no, I don’t hate FSG as much as you do. If they can keep it up, I’m happy for them to stay.

Have to disagree about the vanity project ownership. No way would I fund that, I'll go and support Tranmere or Marine if that ever happens. We should be fighting to stop that model of ownership spreading through football never mind wishing to join it.

 

People bang on about Leicester being a good model to follow but in my humble opinion, they are just a smaller scale of chelsea and city. Their owner has pumped money into the club to build a new stadium, a £100m training centre etc.

 

 

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3 hours ago, deiseach said:

The evidence for this is that at least one football club is circling the drain every couple of months, Swindon Town being the current example. People go on about football being a business, yet it's a strange kind of business where companies never merge or are bought out by rivals, and going out of existence is a once-a-generation event.

and you manage to flirt with insolvency despite having pretty much a reliable steady cash flow that you know in advance for the coming year through TV money, and attendance (Covid obviously impacted this but that is one year)know excuse for teams like Bolton or Sunderland to find themselves in the positions they have. 

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FSG saved us from doing a Leeds, got us the best manager in the world for us, built a new training ground, broke the transfer record for a defender and a GK, expanded Anfield brilliantly (and continue to do so), and bought us number 6 and our first title in 30 years without putting us in debt.

They are currently running us responsibly through a pandemic that has cost us multi millions in lost revenue. 

FSG out blerts can do one.

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4 minutes ago, TheRedMachine said:

FSG saved us from doing a Leeds, got us the best manager in the world for us, built a new training ground, broke the transfer record for a defender and a GK, expanded Anfield brilliantly (and continue to do so), and bought us number 6 and our first title in 30 years without putting us in debt.

They are currently running us responsibly through a pandemic that has cost us multi millions in lost revenue. 

FSG out blerts can do one.

They sacked Kenny,appointed an arrogant blert and broke our transfer record on Andy Carroll. The appointment of Klopp has basically been the catalyst for any worthwhile success they've had. And I'm not anti FSG,just merely pointing out that they were a bit clueless for a while too,and still continue to make some baffling decisions along the way.

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15 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

They sacked Kenny,appointed an arrogant blert and broke our transfer record on Andy Carroll. The appointment of Klopp has basically been the catalyst for any worthwhile success they've had. And I'm not anti FSG,just merely pointing out that they were a bit clueless for a while too,and still continue to make some baffling decisions along the way.

They actually identified Jurgen Klopp as the man they wanted to manage the club after the King. What were they to do when Jurgen said 'No thanks, not yet.'?

 

I know you're not anti FSG but come on, who were they supposed to appoint? Despite what loads think about Rodgers, but for Hendo's red card (sure, it's hard to pin the blame on him, it was just the ill fortune to happen at a very critical  stage of the race), he'd have been the first Liverpool manager to hoist the PL trophy.

 

The owners have made some poor decisions over the years. Some hold that against them and see it as an indicator for a change in ownership despite the elephant in the room: who is better?

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41 minutes ago, TheRedMachine said:

FSG saved us from doing a Leeds, got us the best manager in the world for us, built a new training ground, broke the transfer record for a defender and a GK, expanded Anfield brilliantly (and continue to do so), and bought us number 6 and our first title in 30 years without putting us in debt.

They are currently running us responsibly through a pandemic that has cost us multi millions in lost revenue. 

FSG out blerts can do one.

Fuck off Tom or is it John?

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18 hours ago, index1000 said:

Facts!!!!!!! Facts!!!!!!!!! you've just ruined this entire fucking thread

Who needs facts when you can post a picture of a yacht instead?

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20 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

the elephant in the room: who is better?

There's the rub. I'm still burned from the Rafa Wars, when the Anti-Rafa Taliban got their wish... Roy fucking Hodgson. 

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6 hours ago, aRdja said:

I don’t recall another Liverpool team having at least seven of the absolute very best players in for world in the squad (Salah, Mane, Alisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, and Thiago) 

 

Feel like negging this for the omission of Fabinho.

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2 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

There's the rub. I'm still burned from the Rafa Wars, when the Anti-Rafa Taliban got their wish... Roy fucking Hodgson. 

We need a local lad done good. 

 

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6 hours ago, aRdja said:

I see, so you think the numbers are right, but you don’t believe the stories posted by LFC journalists around that. I have no issues with that. It’s the suggestion that they’re fiddling with the numbers, inflating salary costs, hand-in-hand with the auditors, only so that internet fans don’t get angry when we don’t buy the players they want is what I find laughable and QAnon-esque.
 

Like you Barry, if it was up to me I’d rather if the club was a multibillionaire’s vanity project, not unlike City, who could just keep buying expensive flops until they find the right player. However I’m in my 30s and without a doubt, the best time I’ve had as a Liverpool supporter has been under their ownership. I don’t recall another Liverpool team having at least seven of the absolute very best players in for world in the squad (Salah, Mane, Alisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, and Thiago) so no, I don’t hate FSG as much as you do. If they can keep it up, I’m happy for them to stay.

 

3 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Feel like negging this for the omission of Fabinho.

I've saved you the bother. 

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19 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

How do you pay it back - future revenues?

 

You are being incredibly myopic - the vast majority of "professional" clubs in England are in serious trouble that will affect them for years. 

In reality there are are a fair few big names that will feel the squeeze as well. Not sure it makes sense to comment on post Covid football fortunes until it actually is post Covid. The first league games are in three weeks - do you see those as open events?

Revisit this in a year or two.

Happy to revisit in a year or two. To be honest, go back to the start of this thread and the discussion has barely moved, aside from those who support FSG the goalposts keep moving on what they'll accept that these guys are only here for the cash. In 2 year I'll still be saying FSG are cunts and all 20 of this season's premier League will still be in business. 

19 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I thought the redbird investment  wiped out the pandemic loss and meant we are where we should be pre covid or is it FSG are where they should be. We just got to be honest were poor but the good news could be last years shitshow reduces the bonus payments. 

You see you're now suggesting we weren't tight cunts before the pandemic. But we were. So it's exactly as before. This is what I'm talking about on this thread, the pandemic is just a distraction discussion. What FSG have shown through the pandemic is they're tight when it comes to investing in the team and if there's a buck to be made (ESL or furlough) they'll jump at it. Absolutely nothing has changed. 

6 hours ago, aRdja said:

I see, so you think the numbers are right, but you don’t believe the stories posted by LFC journalists around that. I have no issues with that. It’s the suggestion that they’re fiddling with the numbers, inflating salary costs, hand-in-hand with the auditors, only so that internet fans don’t get angry when we don’t buy the players they want is what I find laughable and QAnon-esque.
 

Like you Barry, if it was up to me I’d rather if the club was a multibillionaire’s vanity project, not unlike City, who could just keep buying expensive flops until they find the right player. However I’m in my 30s and without a doubt, the best time I’ve had as a Liverpool supporter has been under their ownership. I don’t recall another Liverpool team having at least seven of the absolute very best players in for world in the squad (Salah, Mane, Alisson, Virgil, Trent, Robbo, and Thiago) so no, I don’t hate FSG as much as you do. If they can keep it up, I’m happy for them to stay.

I think the accounts paint a picture, I don't think they're an absolute reflection, because they aren't for any company. And so many audits are poor, the idea you can say "they're audited, they must be good", I think is incorrect. On this very forum many who spout "but they're audited accounts" regarding FSG, spit bile over the misrepresentations the owners at city have been able to do - but they're audited accounts that paint a fucking picture. I would like to know what LFC deem to be wages (I don't think this is a clear cut accounting decision, like most things there are things you can count in and out). 

 

Most importantly I would like to understand for a company that turns over around 500m, with a wage bill a little over 320m, credit terms used for the large capital investments, where does the money go? What are we spending it on? Let's look at Man United. I think they turned over about 20m more than us last year. They have enormous acquisitional debt to pay. They pay massive dividends. They would appear to pay their players more (they can always afford what we can't) and they are capable of finding money to buy players. I realise the gap has not always been this close, as they moved ahead of us about a decade ago after FSG moved Ayre from his marketing role to MD/CEO role. But that was always levelled up by them needing to put money into the purchasing debt. I find it incredible that we are constantly skint. And I don't buy this stupid idea people say "well you don't go into negotiations saying your loaded". Do these people think rival clubs don't know what we earn? It's preposterous.  

 

If we're skint, we're doing something badly wrong. We shouldn't be near skint because we spend fuck all and our wage bill (our single biggest cost centre like most clubs) is massively within normal limits, even last year in a pandemic. 

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9 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

@Barrington Womble

Actually pal it is you who keep moving the goalposts as other than one of the stand renovations they have already ticked off your boxes. If they ever get that done you will need to throw in the towel.

The stadium will always be a fail Howie. 10 years in and the road end still is just a discussion point. It's pathetic. "oooo we're adding a new building in Kirkby 5 miles away, so we can't think about the road end for another 3 years". The road end was canned until FSG realised it could be profitable because of the vision spurs have had. When they thought it was a 17 year repayment, it was a resounding "no" from FSG. 

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6 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

People bang on about Leicester being a good model to follow but in my humble opinion, they are just a smaller scale of chelsea and city. Their owner has pumped money into the club to build a new stadium, a £100m training centre etc.

 

Actually, the stadium opened in 2002 when the club was still sponsored by Walkers Crisps. The Thai owners and their King Power brand didn't come in until 2010.

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3 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

Actually, the stadium opened in 2002 when the club was still sponsored by Walkers Crisps. The Thai owners and their King Power brand didn't come in until 2010.

OK, happy to be corrected on the stadium.

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9 hours ago, deiseach said:

The evidence for this is that at least one football club is circling the drain every couple of months, Swindon Town being the current example. People go on about football being a business, yet it's a strange kind of business where companies never merge or are bought out by rivals, and going out of existence is a once-a-generation event.

Off the top of my head Darlington, Chester, Macclesfield , Bury and Aldershot folded . Leeds , Chelsea, Coventry and Rangers all sailed very close to that edge. So I think FSG being fiscally prudent is not a bad thing. I also still expect a couple more incomings. 

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Howie will not see his fellow countrymen slandered by some damn Redcoats. No sir, that will not happen.

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