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On 16/05/2021 at 20:05, Daisy said:

How on earth is Rhys Williams starting for this club. FSG deserve to get hanged in public for this 

Yeah. Imagine any club using their sixth-choice CB, just because 4 of their first 5 choices are all injured.

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There was a lot of this type of fan positivity around the fan forum or whatever the fuck it was called, the aim of which was to make fans think they had a voice while silencing the loudest voices such as SoS. Hopefully SoS are not being had off. But it's happened before. 

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1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

There was a lot of this type of fan positivity around the fan forum or whatever the fuck it was called, the aim of which was to make fans think they had a voice while silencing the loudest voices such as SoS. Hopefully SoS are not being had off. But it's happened before. 

Isn't this exactly the same kind of thing as that?

 

What happened to it last time, did they just let it fizzle out and then pretend it never happened?

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14 minutes ago, Chairman Meow said:

Isn't this exactly the same kind of thing as that?

 

What happened to it last time, did they just let it fizzle out and then pretend it never happened?

It seems to me to be similar, but SoS seem to be claiming they get an ability to veto certain board decisions - but they say something like "such as the ESL". They make a point that this is LFC and not FSG board, but we are led to believe that Billy Hogan and the rest of the UK board were completely in the dark aboit the ESL and that all happened in Boston. So surely FSG could just do the same again down the line? It always seems to me the board in the UK are no more than a senior management team who's job it is to squeeze every penny out of the system commercially. All the big decisions are made in Boston - if that's the case (which has always been the picture painted, including this latest debacle), it seems this Supporters Board will be completely and utterly bypassed. 

 

Personally it all feels like what has gone before every single time FSG fuck up. They come back, spin some PR and our fans accept it as the most don't want to believe they're a bunch of greedy cunts with no interest in the club or the sport. 

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On 22/05/2021 at 06:26, Barrington Womble said:

It seems to me to be similar, but SoS seem to be claiming they get an ability to veto certain board decisions - but they say something like "such as the ESL". They make a point that this is LFC and not FSG board, but we are led to believe that Billy Hogan and the rest of the UK board were completely in the dark aboit the ESL and that all happened in Boston. So surely FSG could just do the same again down the line? It always seems to me the board in the UK are no more than a senior management team who's job it is to squeeze every penny out of the system commercially. All the big decisions are made in Boston - if that's the case (which has always been the picture painted, including this latest debacle), it seems this Supporters Board will be completely and utterly bypassed. 

 

Personally it all feels like what has gone before every single time FSG fuck up. They come back, spin some PR and our fans accept it as the most don't want to believe they're a bunch of greedy cunts with no interest in the club or the sport. 

 

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1 hour ago, dockers_strike said:

SOS \ the fans board or whatever people want to call it will deffo not have the power to veto operational decisions.

Yeah, and the idea that any new owners can’t change it because of a ‘constitution’ is pure fantasy. Owners of a business can do what they want, including having their directors vote on whatever they want. So… hmn. 

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On 22/05/2021 at 10:11, Barrington Womble said:

There was a lot of this type of fan positivity around the fan forum or whatever the fuck it was called, the aim of which was to make fans think they had a voice while silencing the loudest voices such as SoS. Hopefully SoS are not being had off. But it's happened before. 

SoS are being had off if they think they'll have any sort of input into any important decisions the club make.  Any decision where they agree with the club will be purely coincidental.

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1 hour ago, stringvest said:

SoS are being had off if they think they'll have any sort of input into any important decisions the club make.  Any decision where they agree with the club will be purely coincidental.

Or more to the point they will somehow be conned into being complicit in those choices. 

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Or more to the point they will somehow be conned into being complicit in those choices. 

Dunno, but either way, the club will do exactly what the owners want it to do. No doubt, they'll be more circumspect, but it will be business as usual despite the fan representation.  

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The ticket price fiasco,furloughing and the ESL outrage will be repeated in another form sometime soon. It's the way modern football is,especially at the top of the game. It's so thoroughly depressing as rather than an escape from the shittiness of modern living football has become a mirror of it.

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2 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

The ticket price fiasco,furloughing and the ESL outrage will be repeated in another form sometime soon. It's the way modern football is,especially at the top of the game. It's so thoroughly depressing as rather than an escape from the shittiness of modern living football has become a mirror of it.

I doubt SoS or whatever other fan led board members will have any power when it comes to the big decisions, but I'm hoping they'll at least be able to point out when FSG are about to piss people off and get them to be smarter in the future. 

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Some talk online that with the whole FSG/Red Bird link up they are looking at buying Zaragoza to go along with Toulouse

Interesting as it would help us get players in with work permits issues with the tightening of visa likely

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29 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

Some talk online that with the whole FSG/Red Bird link up they are looking at buying Zaragoza to go along with Toulouse

Interesting as it would help us get players in with work permits issues with the tightening of visa likely

If they're going to buy a Spanish club, they could at least buy one closer to the beach for good preseason friendlies. 

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2 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Some talk online that with the whole FSG/Red Bird link up they are looking at buying Zaragoza to go along with Toulouse

Interesting as it would help us get players in with work permits issues with the tightening of visa likely

Once again the cunts will not take a risk and only spend money when they know they have nothing Toulouse.

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2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

If they're going to buy a Spanish club, they could at least buy one closer to the beach for good preseason friendlies. 

Zaragoza is a really nice city. They could buy Tenerife to even things up. Culture and piss up trips.

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9 hours ago, Lee909 said:

Some talk online that with the whole FSG/Red Bird link up they are looking at buying Zaragoza to go along with Toulouse

Interesting as it would help us get players in with work permits issues with the tightening of visa likely

Americans poised to launch bid for Airbus. 

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On 23/05/2021 at 22:19, VladimirIlyich said:

The ticket price fiasco,furloughing and the ESL outrage will be repeated in another form sometime soon. It's the way modern football is,especially at the top of the game. It's so thoroughly depressing as rather than an escape from the shittiness of modern living football has become a mirror of it.

I think what we see with FSG is something that is particular to FSG rather than being a widespread feature of modern football. They are what Tom Wolfe labelled 'Masters of the Universe', thinking that everything they do is brilliance and they don't consult the little people on anything. Other owners are happy to bob along hoping something will turn up rather than actively changing things. FSG, on the other hand, are not ones for leaving well enough alone. The ESL is the classic example of this. They think the financial basis of football is nuts and something must be done about it. The ESL is something, therefore we have to do it. In fairness, you can add expanding Anfield and hiring Jurgen Klopp to your list. And before anyone says they were no-brainers, staying at Anfield was not the consensus choice among the fanbase, many of whom were seduced by the shiny new thing - gee, where can we see that at play now? - and Klopp could have had his choice of clubs, yet it was FSG who landed him.

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3 hours ago, deiseach said:

I think what we see with FSG is something that is particular to FSG rather than being a widespread feature of modern football. They are what Tom Wolfe labelled 'Masters of the Universe', thinking that everything they do is brilliance and they don't consult the little people on anything. Other owners are happy to bob along hoping something will turn up rather than actively changing things. FSG, on the other hand, are not ones for leaving well enough alone. The ESL is the classic example of this. They think the financial basis of football is nuts and something must be done about it. The ESL is something, therefore we have to do it. In fairness, you can add expanding Anfield and hiring Jurgen Klopp to your list. And before anyone says they were no-brainers, staying at Anfield was not the consensus choice among the fanbase, many of whom were seduced by the shiny new thing - gee, where can we see that at play now? - and Klopp could have had his choice of clubs, yet it was FSG who landed him.

 

I would call them no-brainers, personally.

 

On Anfield, once you got to know football fans and speak to them at length, the way FSG did, I think a few things became obvious. Firstly, they talk about history, prestige, integrity, but to an absolute man - they, we really, are liars.

 

If Genghis Khan was reborn and got the Liverpool job, there would be tens of threads on here calling the Chinese liars and going through historiography in glandular detail to paint Khan as a hero. We care about winning and will subordinate any other concerns to that. The thing we condemn someone else for doing, we're in favour of if it benefits Liverpool.

 

Rightly so, we are liverpool fans.

 

So if leaving Anfield meant we could win dozens more trophies, that's what we advocate. Especially, as we would still call it Anfield anyway, and wouldn't talk to people who called it otherwise.

 

On the Klopp front  - they got lucky. They went all in with Rodgers and were wildly seduced by him. The point where they figured out they had been took happened to coincide with a once in a millennium maestro undergoing a cataclysm of bad luck where every Dortmund observer will tell you that they were extraordinarily unlucky, causing said maestro to have a sabbatical.

 

They've done a fine job developing the club commercially. The most critical FSG poster on here wouldn't deny that - be it Daisy, or Barry Wom.

 

However the entire edifice is built on a Barcaesque quick sand. They have Messi. We have Klopp.

 

Nobody on here could name the last two Barca managers to win the title, because Messi won those titles. And if we had the same structure, same players, but Ancelotti, or Guardiola, or Zidane, or Mancini, or any other brilliant manager we would be fucked.

 

We saw how their framework worked before, and it was nothing short of disastrous .

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