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15 hours ago, Moo said:

What was our wage bill like before we started winning stuff, say 2016-18?  I assume it was dead low by comparison if winning stuff has caused it to shoot up?

 

This (in the graph/table at the bottom) shows our wage bill historically.

 

 

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5 hours ago, aRdja said:

I certainly don’t. I said £800k over and above the tax we paid last year. I don’t know how much tax we paid last year (and I cba checking), but if our profit in the previous was £42m then there’s no way we we’d recover the entire loss we’ve made last year (£45m) as you suggested in this post below. 

Yes, the figure we’d be able to recover would be closer to the £8m I would’ve thought, but it’s never really that simple, as P&L is typically recorded on an accrual basis (as opposed to cash) so there’s always a bit of timing/phasing variance every year. 

You're right, they won't recover the whole lot. They recover around 1/4. But certainly not 800k! And this on the back of 200m profits in 3 years. It's a drop in the ocean. Especially for owners who claim not to be interested in extracting money from the club. 

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9 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

You're right, they won't recover the whole lot. They recover around 1/4. But certainly not 800k! And this on the back of 200m profits in 3 years. It's a drop in the ocean. Especially for owners who claim not to be interested in extracting money from the club. 

Just to make sure that we’re aligned, it’s the club (not the owners) who’d be recovering that tax back, and the figure would be reported in the P&L statement.

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54 minutes ago, Scott_M said:

The bar is being set high for the Anti-FSG brigade next Monday night...

 

Considering the next home game is on Saturday night, the timing would be off if nothing else!

 

I've no issue with fans protesting about the owners' greed and the ESL plans outside the ground, it's when it turns into vandalism, breaking into club property and violent clashes with police that I think it's knobheads using the pretence of protest to just behave like cunts.

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1 minute ago, Trumo said:

 

Considering the next home game is on Saturday night, the timing would be off if nothing else!

 

I've no issue with fans protesting about the owners' greed and the ESL plans outside the ground, it's when it turns into vandalism, breaking into club property and violent clashes with police that I think it's knobheads using the pretence of protest to just behave like cunts.


So it is. I though it was Monday for some reason. 
 

IMO, this isn’t a protest about the ESL. They are using it as an excuse to protest about the Glaziers. Like how Arsenal used it as an excuse to protest with Kroenke.

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12 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

Considering the next home game is on Saturday night, the timing would be off if nothing else!

 

I've no issue with fans protesting about the owners' greed and the ESL plans outside the ground, it's when it turns into vandalism, breaking into club property and violent clashes with police that I think it's knobheads using the pretence of protest to just behave like cunts.

It's always the way in every protest. We have one dickhead smash a coach window and that becomes the focus rather than the reason the vast majority of people where there be it to support or protest. The same will go for united fans too. Although I don't think this is an ESL protest it's an I want an oligarch oil state protest. Its not unique to them either, fans of all clubs seem to remember issues that didn't matter when they were winning. If we have protests at our next home game it will have little to do with the ESL and just be an excuse for a load of scallies to feel they have a cause to act like twats.

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There's a certain irony in Man Utd fans smashing windows at Old Trafford, because then they'll be needing the glaziers in!

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On 30/04/2021 at 23:46, aRdja said:

Just to make sure that we’re aligned, it’s the club (not the owners) who’d be recovering that tax back, and the figure would be reported in the P&L statement.

What are you talking about? The club is the owners as far as legal entities and tax is concerned. 

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5 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

What are you talking about? The club is the owners as far as legal entities and tax is concerned. 

The tax refund is just another credit to the club’s P&L statement. No different to any other income e.g. tickets or sponsorship. Perhaps confirm your definition of “extracting money from the club” please Barry, and help me understand how corporation tax refund would fit that definition. 

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12 hours ago, aRdja said:

The tax refund is just another credit to the club’s P&L statement. No different to any other income e.g. tickets or sponsorship. Perhaps confirm your definition of “extracting money from the club” please Barry, and help me understand how corporation tax refund would fit that definition. 

Can you add some context, I'm fucked if I'm reading 2 billion posts to find it. To be clear I don't think they put money in their pockets. I do think they'll do absolutely anything possible that makes the company worth as much as they can even if it is to the detriment of the football team. And they'll use the media to promote whichever fucking agenda they have at any point in time to reduce fans expectations. 

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First meeting with LFC representatives

Today, Tuesday 4 May 2021, Spirit of Shankly met with Billy Hogan and Liverpool FC representatives.

At the meeting SOS tabled the following requests:

  • Two SOS representatives at LFC board level in relation to issues that impact fans and the Anfield community as a whole. This would involve a reconstitution of the LFC board that includes effective, elected and accountable fan representation, and not for members of the current LFC board to be that elected representative. This cannot be token representation, but one that has the ‘golden share’ or veto on the decision-making process. We believe this is desirable, practical and achievable both in the short and long-term.
  • A formal agreement between LFC and Athletic Grounds Ltd and SOS in order to improve collaboration and supporter engagement and involvement, and to ensure this is sustainable for the future.
  • FSG and LFC collaborate with SOS to lead the reform agenda ahead of/in conjunction with the national fan-led review.
  • We also asked for a commitment from FSG that any costs incurred in relation to the creation of and withdrawal from the European Super League will be funded solely by the owners and not by the club. We note that the Kroenke family have already made this commitment to Arsenal FC fans.

These motions were acknowledged, and received, by LFC. They have taken these away for discussion and will respond formally to SOS with a further local meeting expected in the coming days.

This initial consultation was positive, and both parties agreed there is a need for a new structure leading to meaningful and lasting supporter engagement.

We will keep all members updated as and when we have more information.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/spiritofshankly

 

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If I was SOS I’d prepare for disappointment. The last time they asked for fan involvement they were falsely accused of making demands in a threatening legal manner, and the little puppies in our fan base went with the lie hook, line and sinker. They have always been about divide and conquer and I don’t see the leopard changing it’s spots now.

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Two SOS representatives at LFC board level in relation to issues that impact fans and the Anfield community as a whole.

 

I am really supportive of SOS - I think they have been good for Liverpool as a whole, but this is just ridiculous. Why SOS? Are they the representative of Liverpool fans? It should be 2 fans - and perhaps look using membership as a way to vote for them - at least it makes membership a bit more than just a 'chance' at a ticket. 

 

Using a membership scheme to vote for board representation would at least bring in money to the role. At least look to the club donating shares to a 'Supporter Trust' or something like that. 

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I hope we have some applicants from here to go on the board. 
 

It’d make an episode of Succession look like a kids picnic. 

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4 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

YAWN


Your very good at spouting off but taking no action. 
 

Why don’t you join SOS and apply?

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1 minute ago, Scott_M said:

I hope we have some applicants from here to go on the board. 
 

It’d make an episode of Succession look like a kids picnic. 

"So we are replacing the scouse slice with a sausage, bean and cheese melt"

 

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

???? What has he said wrong there? 


People like to make claims and comments in here but don’t like being challenged to back it up. 
 

I’m a member of SOS, I might give it a go. 
 

Queue another hilarious joke about me doing it so I can nosh Henry or another equally hilarious zinger. 

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22 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


People like to make claims and comments in here but don’t like being challenged to back it up. 
 

I’m a member of SOS, I might give it a go. 
 

Queue another hilarious joke about me doing it so I can nosh Henry or another equally hilarious zinger. 

You need to not take is so personal scott, this is an Internet forum full of opinionated cunts, some will give their opinion and leave it at that, others will keep throwing it at everyone at every opportunity they get.

 

Individually it is up to the poster what type of cunt they want to be and no amount of arguing is going to change their type, might even make them more entrenched.

 

Your not a bad poster but recently you are coming across as "I'm special cause I have been to loads of games and protests" if you are ok with that don't be surprised when people want to take a pop at you. 

 

 

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I have an inner smile to myself though when I read the same posters banging on about city's dodgey accounting practices yet claim our accounts are falsified because our wage bill in previous season was higher than theirs and this cannot be true. Yawn.

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51 minutes ago, SlugTrail said:

You need to not take is so personal scott, this is an Internet forum full of opinionated cunts, some will give their opinion and leave it at that, others will keep throwing it at everyone at every opportunity they get.

 

Individually it is up to the poster what type of cunt they want to be and no amount of arguing is going to change their type, might even make them more entrenched.

 

Your not a bad poster but recently you are coming across as "I'm special cause I have been to loads of games and protests" if you are ok with that don't be surprised when people want to take a pop at you. 

 

 

 

I don't take it personally, I actually think most of the stuff is laughable. I get some won't change their mind no matter what, some of the claims about FSG are just unsubstantiated rubbish - see the above post from Dockers Strike as an example of the sheer stupidness of it.

 

I went at lengths last summer to state I'm not an FSG fanboy and I will have criticise when I feel there is something to criticise.

 

I'm not meaning to come across as a Super Fan or whatever. That point was originally made when Beef Stroganoff accused me of being some know-nothing 18 year old whose never been to Anfield, which I set him straight on. I'm incredibly lucky to have been to as many games as I have. I find the "Super Fan" an odd insult to be honest because I'm sure many are very envious of how fortunate I've been. 

 

I was rightly picked up on, on Sunday for a comment I made. It was drink induced and I did apologise for it. 

 

The points I'm trying to make on the protests etc (although inarticulately!) is if some are that unhappy with FSG, they have a platform now to show the world what they think of them. I absolutely deplore how the mancs went about it on Sunday, but at they made themselves heard.

 

What is the point in coming on here, sounding off in virtually every thread, trotting out the same old boring claims and then not backing it up? I'm no Arthur Scargill, but when I feel strongly about something, I try to get my point across for change, whether that e-mailing Deutsche Bank, going to a G&H march, the ticket walk out or sending Peter Moores a tweet on the Furlough. I'm not stupid enough to think I single handedly changed the above, of course not, but unity is strength and all that and I have the balls to put my money where my mouth is.

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