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11 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

So we don't qualify for the CL - and if we are bad enough in the English league we can get relegated.

As for a "closed" league not being competitive - pretty sure the NFL for instance is very fuckin competitive.

The ESL is a competition for the richest clubs in the world, there is no other way to put it. That is how you "qualify".

I feel like you're missing the point. Part of the beauty of the sport is its ability to have teams going up and down their respective pyramids. Once you remove that, it destroys a major part of the sporting aspect. This is about qualifying once and then just take the revenues forever. 

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3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I feel like you're missing the point. Part of the beauty of the sport is its ability to have teams going up and down their respective pyramids. Once you remove that, it destroys a major part of the sporting aspect. This is about qualifying once and then just take the revenues forever. 

I understand that - under the current proposal that does not change does it? The only way it does is if the league throws the 6 out of the pram - which I don't believe will be the case.

The new competition has nothing to do with the domestic pyramids. I understand people will assume the domestic leagues will take a back seat but honestly who do you think wins the title in Italy or Spain if this goes through and all the teams continue to compete domestically. When PSG and Bayern eventually join up who wins those leagues?

FFS City has a good run at a quadruple every year. They would be odds on favorites to win the PL if they had to play away games in Antarctica during the week

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Just now, TheHowieLama said:

I understand that - under the current proposal that does not change does it? The only way it does is if the league throws the 6 out of the pram - which I don't believe will be the case.

The new competition has nothing to do with the domestic pyramids. I understand people will assume the domestic leagues will take a back seat but honestly who do you think wins the title in Italy or Spain if this goes through and all the teams continue to compete domestically. When PSG and Bayern eventually join up who wins those leagues?

FFS City has a good run at a quadruple every year. They would be odds on favorites to win the PL if they had to play away games in Antarctica during the week

But European qualification is absolutely part of the pyramid system. If WHU finish 4th this season, it's effectively a promotion. That changes because the English places in this new 20 team competition are locked in - in fact supposedly 15 places (I assume they've kept seats open for PSG, Munich and Dortmund) are locked in and there are only 5 places up for grabs for the teams at the top of their pyramids right across Europe (and how fucking shit is a 20 team European competition with 6 English teams? Although I realise that's a separate matter). That European "promotion and relegation" is what our owners want to remove (and I would imagine is true of at least 3 other English teams and probably the Italian clubs too) because the financial jeapardy of CL relegation means the value of their franchise is undervalued - make those revenues locked in, their asset is worth more. LFC don't need more money to increase the capital value of the club, they just need to secure their income streams. 

 

There are major teams all over Europe who's dream is destroyed by this. Rangers are to get their journey next season. Ajax, one of Europe's genuine royalty, cast aside. There's no path for when or if russian football grows on the scale it absolutely could and their sides get their chance at the top table. Closing the door in this way leaves most countries in Europe without any kind of European dream. If we absolutely have to be locked in, lock us into a 50/60 team competition that others can come into.  

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So do we get to take giant sponge fingers to the game and wear those baseball caps that can hold two cans of beer? 

 

Might even get one of those giant cheese hats to look more like a twat. Cant be looking like a legacy fan after all. 

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17 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

If we absolutely have to be locked in, lock us into a 50/60 team competition that others can come into.  

This wouldn’t be the worst compromise. I know it would still be tough for many to swallow, but scrapping the desecrated Europa League and having a single, expanded competition with enhanced FFP and where the ESL clubs and 5 yearly qualifiers enter at the second or third round or so would do mega business. You could sell that on the basis that it dramatically expands Europe's top table for clubs across the continent.
 

Let’s be honest, the pyramid / tier system is faulty because even if some of the ESL clubs are prone to missing out on the CL, they’re still too big to ever be in danger of relegation in their own divisions. If giving them a year spot means that the likes of West Ham, Everton and Leeds have a realistic chance of regular European football, the overriding sentiment towards it would soon change.

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3 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

This wouldn’t be the worst compromise. I know it would still be tough for many to swallow, but scrapping the desecrated Europa League and having a single, expanded competition with enhanced FFP and where the ESL clubs and 5 yearly qualifiers enter at the second or third round or so would do mega business. You could sell that on the basis that it dramatically expands Europe's top table for clubs across the continent.
 

 

Is that not the way the Copa Libertadores is? It looks a massive tournament with every man and his dog invited to it. 

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11 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

This wouldn’t be the worst compromise. I know it would still be tough for many to swallow, but scrapping the desecrated Europa League and having a single, expanded competition with enhanced FFP and where the ESL clubs and 5 yearly qualifiers enter at the second or third round or so would do mega business. You could sell that on the basis that it dramatically expands Europe's top table for clubs across the continent.
 

Let’s be honest, the pyramid / tier system is faulty because even if some of the ESL clubs are prone to missing out on the CL, they’re still too big to ever be in danger of relegation in their own divisions. If giving them a year spot means that the likes of West Ham, Everton and Leeds have a realistic chance of regular European football, the overriding sentiment towards it would soon change.

Exactly. But while you say we could scrap the EL, today we have teams "relegated" from the CL to the EL at the midseason break. In this format we could have to top teams go off for the "super League" title, the mid-tiers in another competion and the bottom clubs get fuck all. We have a 32 team competition now, I don't see how it's fair to reduce that to 20 and within that guarantee more clubs a seat. Obviously the issue with a larger format is the greedy cunts will still want all the money. 

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51 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Exactly. But while you say we could scrap the EL, today we have teams "relegated" from the CL to the EL at the midseason break. In this format we could have to top teams go off for the "super League" title, the mid-tiers in another competion and the bottom clubs get fuck all. 


I’ve said something similar to this in the past and again yesterday and I fully agree with scrapping the EL.
 

Drop the EL group stages. Have a 64 team group stage. Top 16 or 32 clubs play for the CL, the next 16 or 32 clubs play for the UEFA Cup and even now, the bottom 16 play for the Conference Cup.
 

That would allow 7 or 8 English clubs to qualify for it each season and how well you do is based on merit. 
 

Allow some sort of weighting to the TV deal (ie a group game of PSG v Man Utd gets more revenue than Prague v Salzburg or something) and clubs to organise their own sponsorship deals for the games and boom, done, simples 

 

Project Big Picture should also come into play. Bin off the League Cup, have more CL Group games. Reduce the Premiership to 18 sides. 

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10 minutes ago, Scott_M said:


I’ve said something similar to this in the past and again yesterday and I fully agree with scrapping the EL.
 

Drop the EL group stages. Have a 64 team group stage. Top 16 or 32 clubs play for the CL, the next 16 or 32 clubs play for the UEFA Cup and even now, the bottom 16 play for the Conference Cup.
 

That would allow 7 or 8 English clubs to qualify for it each season and how well you do is based on merit. 
 

Allow some sort of weighting to the TV deal (ie a group game of PSG v Man Utd gets more revenue than Prague v Salzburg or something) and clubs to organise their own sponsorship deals for the games and boom, done, simples 

 

Project Big Picture should also come into play. Bin off the League Cup, have more CL Group games. Reduce the Premiership to 18 sides. 

I don't disagree with any of that but the last bit is impossible. That is the big clubs issue, anything that takes money away from the smaller clubs, i.e. less teams in the premier, is voted down by said smaller clubs, so it will never happen. 

They all vote in their own interests, but the set up now favours the smaller clubs and status quo. This breakaway is an extreme way to push it the other way.

 

I would imagine, but don't know, it is the same with TV rights for I dividual games. Plus UEFA would want their fingers in the sponsorship deals pie. 

 

Therein is the issue. Something has to give, but what ? 

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31 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I don't disagree with any of that but the last bit is impossible. That is the big clubs issue, anything that takes money away from the smaller clubs, i.e. less teams in the premier, is voted down by said smaller clubs, so it will never happen. 

They all vote in their own interests, but the set up now favours the smaller clubs and status quo. This breakaway is an extreme way to push it the other way.

 

I would imagine, but don't know, it is the same with TV rights for I dividual games. Plus UEFA would want their fingers in the sponsorship deals pie. 

 

Therein is the issue. Something has to give, but what ? 


No idea how they’d get round it.

 

Threaten a Super Duper Premiership break away?

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I've just glanced at the echo website, fuck me they've gone all anti-fsg. There's 1 article about how they don't deserve James milner. There's another pulling up Henry's "what are they smokin" quote to turn back on him, which includes stories about Liverpool giving America the Beatles. Mental stuff. 

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They need to get out of our club ASAP now in my opinion.

 

I appreciate that could mean a bumpy ride whilst they find a buyer and make the sale, and we'll suffer no doubt in short term with chronic lack of funding....but time is up now.

 

You greedy bastards - Get out of our club.

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10 minutes ago, an tha said:

They need to get out of our club ASAP now in my opinion.

 

I appreciate that could mean a bumpy ride whilst they find a buyer and make the sale, and we'll suffer no doubt in short term with chronic lack of funding....but time is up now.

 

You greedy bastards - Get out of our club.

Let’s be honest though, the options are a murderous regime, leveraged buy-out merchant or someone else with exactly the same risk-averse mindset of FSG.

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3 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Let’s be honest though, the options are a murderous regime, leveraged buy-out merchant or someone else with exactly the same risk-averse mindset of FSG.

If the risk averse mind set don't also drag out name through the mud like these then it will be an improvement.

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12 hours ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

The actions of the Leeds fans and players is exactly the kind of shit that will push a proportion of our fans to get behind the ESL.

 

Would be hillarious if City and Chelsea walk from the 12 and become the saviours of the Premier League. Can picture their PR machines sticking the blame on others. We're committed to East Manchester bla bla bla.


Turns out it’s not hilarious!

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Meh, they weren't not cunts on Friday. They weren't not in it only for the money on Friday. Once football clubs remain the property of billionaires they are still as good as we can hope for. 

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29 minutes ago, Tarwater said:

There are rumours coming from Boston that FSG have, in fact, copulated with themselves.

Just need them to copulate off now

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They are just utterly clueless cunts if they thought this was going to go down well eith the fans. The European cup is ingrained into our clubs DNA and after owning us for over 10 years they should know that. 

 

The league is our bread and butter but the European cup is the desert. 

 

Utter fucking clowns of the highest order. 

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17 minutes ago, Leyton388 said:

They are just utterly clueless cunts if they thought this was going to go down well eith the fans. The European cup is ingrained into our clubs DNA and after owning us for over 10 years they should know that. 

 

The league is our bread and butter but the European cup is the desert. 

 

Utter fucking clowns of the highest order. 

It's unbelievable that successful businessmen with loads of well paid advisors can fuck everything up so often. 

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