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39 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

FSG have done good and bad things. IMO, everything FSG have done has been for the benefit of FSG.

I agree with @Anubis, when our interests and theirs align, great, however I see it as purely coincidental rather than there being any grander reason to it.

 

Alternatively, maybe the anti-FSGers wouldn't so annoyed, if every time they suggested buying a player they weren't accused of wanting to support a state or oligarch owned club.

The problem is that Oligarchs and oil rich states are the only likely buyers if FSG sell.

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1 hour ago, Scott_M said:


Alternatively, if people moved on from their views of 2012 & didn’t needlessly blame them for everything wrong in the world, then people wouldn’t have to point out some of utter baseless nonsense some people post.

Correct. Yet again Jurgen has said "Sometimes you sell, sometimes you buy. What we earn in football, we spend in football. That's a pretty short summary of the club. It's one of the key points. We constantly do that. Sometimes people like it, and sometimes people like it later."

 

If he didnt agree with the principle, he'd kick off about it. He could walk into just about any club in the world if he wanted and couldnt stand working for FSG.

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

You do realise benteke and Carroll are the fsg days? I don't think anybody doubts klopp's genius. 

Of course- which illustrates that spending big sums without the attention to detail we now apply is flawed  

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The biggest issue with them has been the net spend provided to Klopp over his tenure. I think it was £28m before the start of this window. The hilarious thing is the net spend will most likely be lower than that when the window shuts and we will possess the worlds best team.

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2 minutes ago, No2 said:

The biggest issue with them has been the net spend provided to Klopp over his tenure. I think it was £28m before the start of this window. The hilarious thing is the net spend will most likely be lower than that when the window shuts and we will possess the worlds best team.

As long as we win, I'm happy for the net spend to be minus one trillion. 

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2 hours ago, Anubis said:

I don’t relentlessly blame them for everything in the world. Nor do I hate them.I have been happy to say when I think they’ve acted well, and as you can see from my post about a striker I’m not expecting them to go wild in the transfer market. However,  I have been consistent in my opinion of them since day one. While our interests and theirs align, all well and good. When they don’t, hold them to account. Nor do I trust them given some of the tactics they’ve employed. But then I genuinely believe as fans we’d be foolish to trust any football club owners. I mean that as fans in general, not just LFC fans.

 

Don't know how anybody could possibly disagree with any of this.

 

I don't particularly like FSG or dislike them. As far as owners go, we could easily do a hell of a lot worse but I'm not sure we could do better as I don't think the kind of owner that fans would want actually exists at this level of football.

 

Would you swap FSG for the owners of any of the other big clubs in England?

 

If so, who?

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4 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

All a lot of us asked for was loosening the purse strings not 80m signings. We had/have areas that need/needed addressing, they have been so far.

 

You long for the days of Carroll and Benteke, why not just admit it?

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2 hours ago, Anubis said:

 While our interests and theirs align, all well and good. 

Are there examples in other football teams, or even any businesses where this is not the case?

Or, to the point - are there examples in football (cuz regular business' are off the table in that scenario) where they don't?

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7 minutes ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

Don’t know about Bentley but we’re signing a Rolls.

Why would you edit my post?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Is autocorrect racist?

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2 hours ago, Dave D said:

Of course- which illustrates that spending big sums without the attention to detail we now apply is flawed  

Good job we have klopp then. We'll be fucked without him, because our statisticians gave us etoo or balotelli to replace Suarez! 

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46 minutes ago, dave u said:

 

Don't know how anybody could possibly disagree with any of this.

 

I don't particularly like FSG or dislike them. As far as owners go, we could easily do a hell of a lot worse but I'm not sure we could do better as I don't think the kind of owner that fans would want actually exists at this level of football.

 

Would you swap FSG for the owners of any of the other big clubs in England?

 

If so, who?

 

I think FSG have done the right things since they've been here, even when it's gone wrong. 

 

The employ of Rodgers for example, that was left-field for a club our size, but y'know I quite liked the idea of taking a gamble on someone young and with fresh ideas.  I applaud that decision. 

 

And then Klopp comes along, and remember to FSG he's possibly not a standout candidate in terms of winning things.  There will be a couple of 'football men' in FSG, but for the most part they would look at the CV of the likes of Mourinho, Guardiola, Ancelotti and consider Klopp to be inferior to them, but with the same contract demand more or less.  I mean, do you really think John Henry was impressed by Klopp's Dortmund team, or was he impressed with the approach and ambition of the man?  

 

And, say, the Klopp thing had gone wrong, what then?  Well, to be honest, I'd personally have been ok with that.  Sometimes you need to remember that the journey is just as much fun, if not more fun, than the lifting of the trophies. 

 

Personally I get more enjoyment from signing Harvey Elliott for £7m (or whatever it was), than I would from signing Mahrez for £60m, or Pedro, or Bale etc.  I like being on the journey with a young set of players, some unknown players, some players with things to prove.  I'm not sure that Man City's owners would necessarily have approved of Pep buying a player like Andy Robertson, or persisting with developing Gomez and Trent instead of just buying the latest £50m full back from Portugal or 'being fine' with using Milner there.  

 

There's an honesty to Klopp, if he doesn't want big name players then I implicitly trust that he genuinely doesn't want to operate that way.  And of course that's better for FSG financially when it goes right, but if it went wrong then the fans turn on them for not spending loads, but in truth surely they were just letting their manager do what he wanted to do.

 

If you want we can segueway into furlough discussion, but they learned and they learned fast.  And perhaps some people would do well to remember that for every million we don't spend in this window, that's being used to support people's wages.    

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I agree, not sure could do better, but no harm in wishing for it all.  If we buy players for 90k and sell them for 10 million then we might get a chance to build that dynasty without money from the owners!

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4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

You do realise benteke and Carroll are the fsg days? I don't think anybody doubts klopp's genius. 

Are you doubting Kenny's genius??

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2 hours ago, dave u said:

 

Don't know how anybody could possibly disagree with any of this.

 

I don't particularly like FSG or dislike them. As far as owners go, we could easily do a hell of a lot worse but I'm not sure we could do better as I don't think the kind of owner that fans would want actually exists at this level of football.

 

Would you swap FSG for the owners of any of the other big clubs in England?

 

If so, who?

Dave, there's no doubt English football is fucked. It's run by a series of US cunts just like our own owners (and in the glazers case worse) or monied individuals or states with different questionable ambitions, although at least for those teams sporting interest likely mostly aligns with owner interest even if it's for different reasons.

 

But that doesn't mean we should be happy about it or accept it. We should challenge them every fucking day to do the right thing, because if we don't, they'll do the wrong thing. Owners of English clubs are shite. You can either accept it and take it up the arse or you can at least ask them to lube it a bit on the way. 

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4 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

The problem is that Oligarchs and oil rich states are the only likely buyers if FSG sell.

I don't disagree but again slagging the owners for not getting a player in is not the same as saying sell up. 

I am able to be unhappy with them whilst realising it could be a lot worse, I don't see them views as contradictory.

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

Dave, there's no doubt English football is fucked. It's run by a series of US cunts just like our own owners (and in the glazers case worse) or monied individuals or states with different questionable ambitions, although at least for those teams sporting interest likely mostly aligns with owner interest even if it's for different reasons.

 

But that doesn't mean we should be happy about it or accept it. We should challenge them every fucking day to do the right thing, because if we don't, they'll do the wrong thing. Owners of English clubs are shite. You can either accept it and take it up the arse or you can at least ask them to lube it a bit on the way. 

There's an argument to be made for fans challenging them working at various points during their time here, ticket prices, furlough, etc. Might as well keep challenging them until they align with us a bit more. 

 

Plus it looked like we weren't signing anyone until some nut jobs sent Linda a few nasty DMs, so obviously she passed on the message to John and now we have Thiago. 

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4 hours ago, dave u said:

 

Don't know how anybody could possibly disagree with any of this.

 

I don't particularly like FSG or dislike them. As far as owners go, we could easily do a hell of a lot worse but I'm not sure we could do better as I don't think the kind of owner that fans would want actually exists at this level of football.

 

Would you swap FSG for the owners of any of the other big clubs in England?

 

If so, who?

This is the nub of it. Who better are we going to get? You're either looking at a city state ownership or mega rich abramovich model.Neither appeals to me and the people shouting the loudest for FSG to just spend money might find a new owners idea of running the club not in tune with their's even if they do spend shitloads.

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