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16 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I know it is, but theres nothing else to talk about. You are right though about Groundhog Day. Every transfer window its the same battle lines, the same arguments and the same frustration, no matter what the climate is like.

There's a shedload of other things to talk about, it's your personal choice to harp on and on about FSG.

Verbal is dead right, you make valid points but reading the same shit 20 times a day every day wears very thin very quickly. 

I could sympathise if we were doing shit, but we've swept the board trophy wise in 14 months.  And yet you grind on regardless like the worst of the afflicted Everton cunts.

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54 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I despise them with every fibre of my being.

 

They are as anti-Liverpool as you can get. A soulless, money making machine with zero interest in the common fan. I should be grateful Jurgen has the patience because I would have walked if my bosses didn't show me the backing I'd earned.

Klopp is probably fully on board with what the club is doing. Doubt he would still be here otherwise.

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1 minute ago, SasaS said:

Klopp is probably fully on board with what the club is doing. Doubt he would still be here otherwise.

I wouldn't have thought onboard is the right choice of words. Pragmatic enough to get on with it knowing he can't change it is probably more accurate. 

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12 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

I wouldn't have thought onboard is the right choice of words. Pragmatic enough to get on with it knowing he can't change it is probably more accurate. 

I think it's largly a myth, Klopp is one of the two or three most sought after managers in the world and I doubt he would have to be overly "pragmatic" anywhere. He has a certain philosophy and what FSG are doing here fits. He is also aware of the economic realities of football, plus, what we are doing as a club seems to work.

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4 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think it's largly a myth, Klopp is one of the two or three most sought after managers in the world and I doubt he would have to be overly "pragmatic" anywhere. He has a certain philosophy and what FSG are doing here fits. He is also aware of the economic realities of football, plus, what we are doing as a club seems to work.

You do know what pragmatic means? 

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1 hour ago, BeefStroganoff said:

I despise them with every fibre of my being.

 

They are as anti-Liverpool as you can get. A soulless, money making machine with zero interest in the common fan. I should be grateful Jurgen has the patience because I would have walked if my bosses didn't show me the backing I'd earned.

A bit much calling them anti-Liverpool, you are correct about Klopp though, I’d hate to see where we would be under these without him, really doesn’t bear thinking about. I’m not a fan.

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21 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

You do know what pragmatic means? 

On board as in knowing full well who he would be working with and how they think. Not pragmatic in some sense he accepts decisions he constantly disagrees with, because whatyagonnado?  I don't think there is a big or constant clash of approaches or strategies between Klopp and the owners, otherwise he wouldn't be here.

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6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

On board as in knowing full well who he would be working with and how they think. Not pragmatic in some sense he accepts decisions he constantly disagrees with, because whatyagonnado?  I don't think there is a big or constant clash of approaches or strategies between Klopp and the owners, otherwise he wouldn't be here.

I think you’ll see a clash when we start losing, which we will unless we get players in.

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Always been shocked at the rimming they've had from some of the support. They are being shown up by every other set of owners in the league bar Mike Ashley 

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To be fair its the go fuck yourself fsg thread, seems normal for someone to repeatedly say they want them to go fuck themselves in here at least, if that's how they feel. I dont they just frustrate the shit out of me.

 

Personally I feel they do the absolute minimum required or at least the minimum thats acceptable, cautious to the point its as risky as being over indulgent.  This club should be able to spend without fear of imploding, our net spend is down amongst the shite clubs in the league.  Its at the point now we feel the club is that skint we very rarely expect to us sign anybody in a transfer window anymore. Where people mock the everton post of slapping money on the table for world class players who wouldn't at the time dream of going there, we have top players who would love to come here who most of the league could afford to buy but we still won't because we need to count the penny's offload 10 players and act like del boy first. Eventually if we cant compete for players we won't compete for trophies. Klopps a genuis manager we only have him for 4 more years and we have a squad were the big talent is touching 30 already. My fear is we will slide back into mediocrity without even trying to prevent that happening. 

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34 minutes ago, SasaS said:

On board as in knowing full well who he would be working with and how they think. Not pragmatic in some sense he accepts decisions he constantly disagrees with, because whatyagonnado?  I don't think there is a big or constant clash of approaches or strategies between Klopp and the owners, otherwise he wouldn't be here.

As I say, do you understand what pragmatic means. 

 

dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.

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Interesting to see the slight change in this thread. When I first started posting in it just after the season ended, opposing opinions were far more accusatory. "You just want this, you just want that, you're spoiled, we've just won the league" etc, but now it's far more along the lines of "sort of agree but don't want to read it every day," as though dave's got everyone's eyes stretched open like clockwork orange, forcing everyone to read.   

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

Klopp is probably fully on board with what the club is doing. Doubt he would still be here otherwise.

 

Ah yes, "fully onboard" is a great way of portraying him personally courting Werner for months, convincing the player to sign to the extent that he started looking for houses in Liverpool and then having to ring him to personally apologize that his bosses in America have told him we can't sign him like we had originally verbally agreed to for 'purely financial reasons'.

 

Yeah...that type of fully onboard.

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3 minutes ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Heres an interesting thought. Maybe we have outgrown these owners? Maybe they don't have the sustainability to keep us on the top of the pile?

That is a fair assessment too, certainly has a softer tone than the title of this thread.

 

Personally though my assessment is that they are a bunch of fucking cunts and can go fuck themselves. 

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Imagine having some of you as bosses doing the evaluation, after winning the league /  becoming to best in my field.

 

"Yes, that is all very well, but do you have the sustainability to keep being tho top salesman for us" etc.

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The thing about FSG is that whatever happens hereon in, they have made their money. They are sitting on an asset which has ballooned in value by over a $1.5bn.

 

So the 'live within its means' shtick just doesn't wash. It baffles me why fans are accepting that as if it's 'fair enough'. Even if we were purely to 'live within our means' then that 1.2bn asset growth should be transpiring to some kind of substantial net playing squad investment.

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1 minute ago, SasaS said:

Imagine having some of you as bosses doing the evaluation, after winning the league /  becoming to best in my field.

 

"Yes, that is all very well, but do you have the sustainability to keep being tho top salesman for us" etc.

Anyone that has actually worked in a competitive sales environment knows this is exactly what happens. It's also the Ronnie Moran blueprint.

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3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Imagine having some of you as bosses doing the evaluation, after winning the league /  becoming to best in my field.

 

"Yes, that is all very well, but do you have the sustainability to keep being tho top salesman for us" etc.

 

Erm...do you think that this is a bad thing?

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But surely you wait for the sales to drop first, you don't question someone when he is on top of his game results wise and then replace him? 

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3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

But surely you wait for the sales to drop first, you don't question someone when he is on top of his game results wise and then replace him? 

The analogy is getting strained here. Who's on the top of their game that we want to replace? 

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24 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Imagine having some of you as bosses doing the evaluation, after winning the league /  becoming to best in my field.

 

"Yes, that is all very well, but do you have the sustainability to keep being tho top salesman for us" etc.

Have you ever had a skilled job where you are expected to perform? When you deliver a top piece of work to your company/bosses, you don't just sit back and bask. There is an expectation that comes with it. If you start to fall beyond that level over time you start to suffer the consequences.

 

Its a completely different problem now. Originally it was about improvement, top 6 then top four. Then it was runners up in finals, now its winners. Next expectation i to stay there and do it consistently like successful teams do. Its a whole new ballgame.

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