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22 minutes ago, redinblack62 said:

3. Does the club have assets kicking around that could be realised to fund short term working capital?


This is the problem. What makes you think its short term?

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1 minute ago, Code said:


This is the problem. What makes you think its short term?

Businesses would see short term as up to 12 months, Thats enough time to liquidate a non core asset and then prepare for the next fiscal period.

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36 minutes ago, Code said:


Two questions.

 

1. How do the club get income?

 

2. Do the club have running costs?

Yeah the clubs on a 1% margin. 

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23 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Instead they are having to deal with one of their players hosting a party with sex workers.

Didn't he film his ex getting licked out by her dog as well? 

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34 minutes ago, Code said:


Two questions.

 

1. How do the club get income?

 

2. Do the club have running costs?

1. Government handouts.

 

2. Not as many as last week.

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3 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

He denied it was him apparently and said the girl in the video wasn't his girlfriend.

But it was his dog?

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33 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

He denied it was him apparently and said the girl in the video wasn't his girlfriend.

She was fit as well. Someone posted her Facebook pics on twitter. Absolute belter to be fair. But clearly a dirty bastard and it was defo him. 

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 Whatever the rights and wrongs of players salaries are it's a bit fucking rich of Hancock to be whining about it when his fucking party has been slashing the NHS budget at every opportunity for years

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2 hours ago, Evelyn Tentions said:

 Whatever the rights and wrongs of players salaries are it's a bit fucking rich of Hancock to be whining about it when his fucking party has been slashing the NHS budget at every opportunity for years

And loads of them let companies get away with paying no tax, including ones that some MPs are involved with.

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Anfield public cash grab an insult to Shankly’s legacy — and Klopp

Henry Winter, Chief Football Writer
Sunday April 05 2020, 6.00pm, The Times


The final words on the 100th and closing page of the match programme for Liverpool’s last game before lockdown, Atletico Madrid’s visit in the Champions League on March 11, read simply: “We are Liverpool. This means more.” If you proclaim values superior to other clubs, and boast self-entitled credos such as this, you have to live by them. If you then claim state help after posting £42 million profits and spending £43.8 million on agents’ fees in a year, you deserve to be excoriated.

 

In claiming furlough for many staff, Liverpool’s board, including the owner John W Henry and chairman Tom Werner, have acted with naked capitalism, offending the spirit of the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme, and insulting the legacy of Bill Shankly and Bob Paisley, the conscience of their supporters, and the beliefs of a squad led by the admirable Jordan Henderson and their enlightened manager, Jürgen Klopp.

 

When Henry and Werner phoned Klopp after the victory over Barcelona last season, they congratulated him on his “inspired leadership”. Klopp exudes moral substance, leadership, setting the right example. Even more, this is the time for leadership, for people to stand up and be counted, and Klopp’s videos filled with perspective and compassion lift the mood of many. Klopp shows class. Henry and Werner show merely self-interest. They have agreed to guarantee salaries, and good on them for that, yet still pursue a payout from the public purse.

 

This is Anfield. This is supposed to be better. This undoes much of the good work Liverpool have done in responding to coronavirus, staff and fans phoning the vulnerable, checking up on them during the pandemic, the generosity of players in underwriting local food banks, and the chief executive, Peter Moore, a long-term benefactor of those food banks, offering the club’s stewards to local supermarkets to help with “queue management, parking control, assisting the elderly and infirm, taking their groceries to their cars”. People at Liverpool do care.

 

Do Henry and Werner? “This means more” smacks of marketing-speak, of the brand money-spinning under Henry and Werner, and has instantly been a target of ridicule from rival fans, yet there remains a community feel at the heart of Liverpool. This is the club with a strong foundation, and with individuals of the right moral compass of Klopp and Henderson, James Milner and Sadio Mané, Virgil van Dijk and Trent Alexander-Arnold, among others.

 

This is the club of Sir Kenny Dalglish, that very human emblem of thinking first of others during a crisis. Henry and Werner give the impression of just thinking of the bottom line. This is not to pit Liverpool individuals against each other, simply to remind Henry and Werner of the special people who congregate in and around Anfield, and not to embarrass them with crass grabs for public cash. Furloughing? This means money for Henry and Werner. They need to think again.

 

Liverpool fans have responded impressively, absolutely calling out Henry and Werner. To tweak a Kop banner: Wine for my men, we deride at dawn. They have joined the unhappy, uneasy followers of other clubs chasing government payouts during a state of national emergency, those of Tottenham Hotspur, Norwich City, Bournemouth and Newcastle United. Rishi Sunak’s vital scheme should not be used to protect profits, but to help the more vulnerable businesses weather the storm.

 

Even if the recourse to handouts should not be afforded to such a broadcast-rich, prudence-poor realm as the Premier League, there has to be a measure of sympathy for clubs juggling such tight turnovers as Norwich and Bournemouth. There cannot be an ounce of understanding for others, though. The harsh light of emergency sirens really pick out the true nature of some of those in power now. Do Daniel Levy and Mike Ashley join in the emotional applause on Thursdays at 8pm for the heroes of the NHS? Probably. Do they also instruct their companies to tap into the Exchequer’s funds? Definitely.

 

Spurs supporters rightly slate Levy, their chairman, for fancying some furlough. Newcastle fans continue to despair about the cynical, soulless stewardship of Ashley, whose unappealing nature was demonstrated by his (brief) decision to keep his trackies-and-trainers stores open during the lockdown. Hope is at hand on Tyneside with two separate parties, Amanda Staveley’s via Saudi Arabia and Peter Kenyon’s via the US, both interested in a takeover. The money is there, just do it, liberate the Gallowgate.

 

When football resumes, there will be a day of reckoning with owners, with those who stood by clubs, community and country properly and those who simply revealed themselves to be disciples of the creed of greed. Manchester City’s chief operating officer, Omar Berrada, confirmed the board’s decision that the club “will not be utilising the UK government’s coronavirus job retention scheme”. Good.

 

As well as the reputational damage, the battering of the brand, the financial reimbursement that Henry and Werner’s business operation will receive is relatively modest anyway, certainly not worth all the grief. If it is 200 employees for three months at a cost to the Exchequer of £2,500 a month (the chancellor’s threshold) that makes £1.5 million. Liverpool paid almost 30 times that in agents’ fees last season (£43.8 million).

 

The cost to Liverpool will also be there in the intensifying tribal digs in tweets and chants, a barb that Kopites know they can hardly repel easily. This means more? Well, only until they need more money.

The only thing I'd disagree with is the last bit. Dealing with the barbs from supporters of other clubs is a breeze. Why should we care for the good opinion of those who have spent months shrieking about the club being the beneficiaries of corruption at all levels, and welcome a plague as a means to deny Liverpool the title? I care about how the clubs behaves because I care about the club. A few more debacles like this, I'm going to stop caring.

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I still cant get over the sheer stupidity of it. They must be stupid to think there would be no backlash over it.

 

My uncle played for Bill Shankly and my Dad basically never shut up about him when I was growing up. Shankly would have been mortified about this and he would have probably offered to pay everyones wages if he was around today. Bob Paisley would have been the same. 

 

I've always known that the club has always had a cuntish side to it and not just these owners, but these owners have shown a shocking lack of self awareness doing this. You cant market yourself as a club different to others with caring values then tell your staff to wait for government money while you pay agents and players fortunes. 

 

It doesn't matter if Wetherspoons or Richard Branson do it to say that Liverpool should be entitled to use the scheme, a football club that makes huge amounts of money and is idolised by millions of fans, a lot of who are kids should set an example. 

 

The thing about us that attracts a lot of foreign fans is that we appear to be a community club that sticks together (YNWA and all that) as opposed to an oil club or money making "brand" like Man Utd. 

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They have been here for almost a decade now and this shows they have learnt fuck all about the history and ethos of this club. 

 

In the clubs darkest hours everyone joined together to be there for one another. The club, players and fans. 

 

This is a far cry from those days.

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23 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

I still cant get over the sheer stupidity of it. They must be stupid to think there would be no backlash over it.

 

My uncle played for Bill Shankly and my Dad basically never shut up about him when I was growing up. Shankly would have been mortified about this and he would have probably offered to pay everyones wages if he was around today. Bob Paisley would have been the same. 

 

I've always known that the club has always had a cuntish side to it and not just these owners, but these owners have shown a shocking lack of self awareness doing this. You cant market yourself as a club different to others with caring values then tell your staff to wait for government money while you pay agents and players fortunes. 

 

It doesn't matter if Wetherspoons or Richard Branson do it to say that Liverpool should be entitled to use the scheme, a football club that makes huge amounts of money and is idolised by millions of fans, a lot of who are kids should set an example. 

 

The thing about us that attracts a lot of foreign fans is that we appear to be a community club that sticks together (YNWA and all that) as opposed to an oil club or money making "brand" like Man Utd. 

Bingo. How some people, a small minority admittedly, who profess to support the club don't get this beggars belief. Unfortunately what I am picking up from their posts is an inability to distinguish between what the club can do versus what the club should do.

 

But it's so simple there is no ambiguity or nuance. In times of crisis you rally round and look after your family. You don't sub-contract that out to the government or if you do, don't expect anyone to have any respect for you anymore. The relationship will be gone, never to return.

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I'm trying to be as rational as I can about this, but no matter how hard I try this just feels like a monumentally short-sighted and stupid decision. The club has spent the past decade trying to position itself as a servant of the community (whether or not you think that's bollocks). They then try and leverage that position as part of the overall appeal of the club, but you can only push that so far - if the club is a true servant then it can't exploit the community it claims to serve. That would shatter the illusion because you can't have it both ways and be both pillar of the community and business.

 

Well this decision has pushed beyond those limits: there is absolutely no way the club can now claim to be run in any kind of public or community interest. "This means more" and the "LFC family" have been ruthlessly exposed as corporate branding. We probably already knew that but it's nakedly apparent now: that's not the true ethos of the club - or at least the commercial entity of it.

 

They're entitled to do it. It makes good short-term business sense to do it. There are companies with even less "right" (in terms of profit and number of staff affected, McDonalds and BA etc.) to do it. But those are run as businesses and make no pretence to represent anything else. Neither can LFC any more.

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