Go fuck yourselves FSG

[Code]

30 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

You're missing the point: even if it were great, it wouldn't follow that others could follow the model (since most others haven't struck oil).

 

As for whether others should follow the model (resources or pure luck permitting): a good argument needs to be made; your (to be charitable) argument is one from the spurious authority of Ryan fucking Cooper - which in fact has nothing whatsoever to do with current circumstances.

 

Your only argument concerning Liverpool FC ripping off the British tax payer is that it would be naive not to do so when every other company is. This is a pretty amoral argument. But it's also a bad argument because (1) not every company is doing it and (2) even if they were, it wouldn't follow that Liverpool FC should.

Liverpool FC is not ripping off British tax payers at all, that’s is absolute nonsense.

 

 

[lifetime fan]

14 minutes ago, Code said:

Liverpool FC is not ripping off British tax payers at all, that’s is absolute nonsense.

 

 

It’s exactly what they’re doing. 
 

It’s the same as tax avoidance, legally possible but a total cunts trick. 

[Colt Seavers]

Never have the words "Fuck off Code" been more apt

[Code]

19 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

It’s exactly what they’re doing. 
 

It’s the same as tax avoidance, legally possible but a total cunts trick. 

Compare the direct and indirect LFC tax contribution to what is happening now and come back to me please.

 

When you look at the indirect tax you need to look at pubs, restaurants, hotels etc, etc who basically live off LFC in Liverpool.

 

Please also take a look at the clubs books, look at the income and costs. 
 

The club might end up having to pay back TV money, we have to pay players wages as they can go elsewhere if they are furloughed (most likely).

 

Ive been furloughed several times myself between 1998-2003 when I worked in a fishing company, simply because it was seasonal, my salary at the time went down to 66% of my normal salary (not exactly as we used to work a lot of overtime when we worked, so we were cut short a lot more in reality).

 

In Norway this is completely normal and it’s much better than the alternative, actually getting sacked.

[El Rojo]

Depressing stuff. If they’ve any common sense they’ll reverse the decision. 

 

Shouldn’t come as a huge surprise though given their attempts to copyright anything vaguely associated with the club and certain ticketing issues. 
 

Awful decision to take at a time when they really don’t need the money after maximising sponsorship and kit deal revenue and selling fistfuls of magic beans to Bournemouth for multimillions. 

[lifetime fan]

3 minutes ago, Code said:

Compare the direct and indirect LFC tax contribution to what is happening now and come back to me please.

 

When you look at the indirect tax you need to look at pubs, restaurants, hotels etc, etc who basically live off LFC in Liverpool.

 

Please also take a look at the clubs books, look at the income and costs. 
 

The club might end up having to pay back TV money, we have to pay players wages as they can go elsewhere if they are furloughed (most likely).

 

Ive been furloughed several times myself between 1998-2003 when I worked in a fishing company, simply because it was seasonal, my salary at the time went down to 66% of my normal salary (not exactly as we used to work a lot of overtime when we worked, so we were cut short a lot more in reality).

 

In Norway this is completely normal and it’s much better than the alternative, actually getting sacked.

Getting sacked isn’t the alternative! 
 

Don’t make out it is mate, the club can easily afford to cover their wages. No one would have an issue with the furloughing if the club was going to go out of business. 

[John102]

8 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Getting sacked isn’t the alternative! 
 

Don’t make out it is mate, the club can easily afford to cover their wages. No one would have an issue with the furloughing if the club was going to go out of business. 

I think that was my main issue with SOS statement last night, painting this shitty decision in a positive light for not be an even shittier decision.

[No2]

Man City have announced the tax payers of Abu Dhabi will be paying their staff rather than UK tax payers.

[Code]

33 minutes ago, El Rojo said:

Depressing stuff. If they’ve any common sense they’ll reverse the decision. 

 

Shouldn’t come as a huge surprise though given their attempts to copyright anything vaguely associated with the club and certain ticketing issues. 
 

Awful decision to take at a time when they really don’t need the money after maximising sponsorship and kit deal revenue and selling fistfuls of magic beans to Bournemouth for multimillions. 

How much will sponsors and shirt manufacturers pay when we don’t play games, and no one knows when and if we will start playing again?

 

It looks like people forget that most of our income comes because we play games? What do the contracts say about this situation? A lot of people with no idea about these things are now up in arms about this.

 

I’m a politician, my party (I’m the leader) is part of a coalition who run the 4th biggest city in Norway, we have 12.000 public employees in the municipality. The private businesses in the city, the artists etc look to us for help.

 

We want to help everyone, but we can’t. Another thing we can’t do is to have different rules for different people or companies, we need to treat everyone the same under certain criteria’s.

 

At British Airways 80.000 will be furloughed, the payment to LFC workers will be a drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things, that’s the reality

[Bjornebye]

Fuck off Code 

[Leyton388]

If they seriously go through with this they can fuck off. No matter what they achieved or do going forward will not matter one bit. 

[Tj hooker]

Christ code stop digging that hole your in , virtually to a man every body on the site can see the mess FSG have made of this as lifey said earlier just because you can do something DOESN'T mean you should do it .

The longer this goes on the worse its gonna get ffs surely Peter Moore should be on the blower to the Yanks telling them you have to reverse this decision asap 

[Code]

[Bjornebye]

20 minutes ago, Code said:

I fully expect supporters of McDonalds to be upon arms too!

 

Justify to me Adam Lallana taking home over 100k a week while we are asking the government to pay the ladies who cook their meals after training? Go on try and fucking justify that. 

[Chocoholic]

The infuriating and ridiculous thing about all this is that they could have had all of their non playing staff wages paid in full without it costing them a thing, either in pure financial terms or good will, but rather be lauded for maintaining LFC values. 

 

Had they used their heads, they could have discussed with Peter Moore, Klopp and Henderson as the squad representative, who would undoubtedly have been willing to make a small sacrifice in their astronomical wages for just one month, or even a week to ensure everyone else was covered, without even approaching the quoted illogical and frankly stupid, 30% cut, as advocated by Hancock.

 

All of the progress in learning from previous issues which arose from their lack of understanding of the social culture and status of the club, for which they had attempted to redress, by bringing in people like Tony Barrett and Moore, himself, has been tossed aside. Their lack of understanding of the club's social values may have been a a discussion point in their early ownership, but certainly not at this stage.

 

There appears to have been a total disconnect between the various factors in the hierarchy, that has left all involved, or not, as the case may be, severely embarrassed. It's easy to see Klopp being furious with this decision. The bull in the china shop urgency to hurriedly follow the lead of other unscrupulous owners who have taken unfair advantage of something that was never meant for them, will cost them far more in the long run, all for the want taking a moment to sit down, think and talk it out with those closer to the situation. The argument that 'others did it, so why shouldn't we?' simply doesn't cut it. Every club, business, or organisation is responsible for their own actions and has the power to exercise their policy or will according to their own values, and should not be determined by what others have done, or can do.

 

Even if they do attempt to reverse the decision, it will unfortunately be too late, as their initial intention was executed, and the headlines have already been made. It would just look like a cheesy, too little-too late damage limitation exercise, giving fans of other clubs and the media especially the opportunity of pointing the finger at the crassness of it all. It's a PR clusterfuck which could have been so easily avoided and instead, been an opportunity to show their continued understanding of the club, its values and fans.

 

A sad day for Liverpool Football Club and everyone associated with it.

 

 

[Code]

23 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I fully expect supporters of McDonalds to be upon arms too!

 

Justify to me Adam Lallana taking home over 100k a week while we are asking the government to pay the ladies who cook their meals after training? Go on try and fucking justify that. 

Is she cooking meals after traning now? Why should the club pay wages to people who are not working? It makes no sense at all. Its simply not how real life works, this is one of the reasons people and companies pay tax.

[sir roger]

As per chocoholic , the wage bill is supposedly @ £200k per week, I cant imagine the first team players would have had a single problem with each chipping in  £5k per week if FSG were to meet them with half of the cost. Massive pr gain for minimal cost. If I ever hear any of the staff / players saying in cheesy interviews the tea lady means as much at Anfield as the Managing Director , they can do one.

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

The infuriating and ridiculous thing about all this is that they could have had all of their non playing staff wages paid in full without it costing them a thing, either in pure financial terms or good will, but rather be lauded for maintaining LFC values. 

 

Had they used their heads, they could have discussed with Peter Moore, Klopp and Henderson as the squad representative, who would undoubtedly have been willing to make a small sacrifice in their astronomical wages for just one month, or even a week to ensure everyone else was covered, without even approaching the quoted illogical and frankly stupid, 30% cut, as advocated by Hancock.

 

All of the progress in learning from previous issues which arose from their lack of understanding of the social culture and status of the club, for which they had attempted to redress, by bringing in people like Tony Barrett and Moore, himself, has been tossed aside. Their lack of understanding of the club's social values may have been a a discussion point in their early ownership, but certainly not at this stage.

 

There appears to have been a total disconnect between the various factors in the hierarchy, that has left all involved, or not, as the case may be, severely embarrassed. It's easy to see Klopp being furious with this decision. The bull in the china shop urgency to hurriedly follow the lead of other unscrupulous owners who have taken unfair advantage of something that was never meant for them, will cost them far more in the long run, all for the want taking a moment to sit down, think and talk it out with those closer to the situation. The argument that 'others did it, so why shouldn't we?' simply doesn't cut it. Every club, business, or organisation is responsible for their own actions and has the power to exercise their policy or will according to their own values, and should not be determined by what others have done, or can do.

 

Even if they do attempt to reverse the decision, it will unfortunately be too late, as their initial intention was executed, and the headlines have already been made. It would just look like a cheesy, too little-too late damage limitation exercise, giving fans of other clubs and the media especially the opportunity of pointing the finger at the crassness of it all. It's a PR clusterfuck which could have been so easily avoided and instead, been an opportunity to show their continued understanding of the club, its values and fans.

 

A sad day for Liverpool Football Club and everyone associated with it.

Except Code.

 

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Code said:

Is she cooking meals after traning now? Why should the club pay wages to people who are not working? It makes no sense at all. Its simply not how real life works, this is one of the reasons people and companies pay tax.

But the footballers should expect to be paid?

[sir roger]

4 minutes ago, Code said:

Is she cooking meals after traning now? Why should the club pay wages to people who are not working? It makes no sense at all.

Because they constantly play on the ' we are all in the Liverpool  family , this means more ' narrative and it means there will be @£600k pm less money in the governments coffers to help the NHS and other essential services. I don't give a shiny shit whether McDonalds and Wetherspoons are doing it. I thought your party were Leftist , Code ?

[Bjornebye]

17 minutes ago, Code said:

Is she cooking meals after traning now? Why should the club pay wages to people who are not working? It makes no sense at all. Its simply not how real life works, this is one of the reasons people and companies pay tax.

Don’t ever call yourself a Liverpool supporter again. You are galactically missing the point. Because you don’t understand. Hi and spend all your money getting banned from casinos in Sandedjord and stay the fuck away from a city that doesn’t welcome absolute Tory gobshites. 
 

I can’t believe I was one of the ones who rallied for you not to get banned last time you did. The absolute SD of the FF. 

[Code]

1 minute ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

But the footballers should expect to be paid?

It depends how the contracts are set up. If you are furloughed and get another job offer you can take that job as a normal employee, in fact you should take it if not you could lose unemployment money..
 

Imagine if the club furloughed Salah, Van Dijk, Mane etc and another club came in and offered them a job, they could take that job and we lose £500m.

 

They could furlough Lallana and other out of contract players (from 1st of June.) without any risk, unless there is something in their contract that specifically say we cant.

[lifetime fan]

1 hour ago, Code said:

When you’re trying to use the likes of McDonalds, Mike Ashley or Phillip Green to justify your point...

 

You know your argument is morally bankrupt. 

[Code]

2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Don’t ever call yourself a Liverpool supporter again. You are galactically missing the point. Because you don’t understand. Hi and spend all your money getting banned from casinos in Sandedjord and stay the fuck away from a city that doesn’t welcome absolute Tory gobshites. 
 

I can’t believe I was one of the ones who rallied for you not to get banned last time you did. The absolute SD of the FF. 

 

The state of this is hilarious. If you don’t understand politics or ism’s then stay out of it, it’s like listening to a six year old.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]