Go fuck yourselves FSG

[Barrington Womble]

14 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

Because we paid everyone 100% of their salaries and no one lost their job. 

and they may still lose their jobs down the line. the only reason they've all kept their jobs right now is because it would be bad PR to do otherwise. Arsenal didn't give a fuck about the PR and laid people off. And it is still beside the point. We paid less tax last year because we made a loss in previous years. Do you think we shouldn't have done that either? 

[No2]

2 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

and they may still lose their jobs down the line. the only reason they've all kept their jobs right now is because it would be bad PR to do otherwise. Arsenal didn't give a fuck about the PR and laid people off. And it is still beside the point. We paid less tax last year because we made a loss in previous years. Do you think we shouldn't have done that either? 

Arsenal outsourced player recruitment to an agent. They may have sold it as covid related but it was happening anyway.

[Barrington Womble]

5 minutes ago, No2 said:

Arsenal outsourced player recruitment to an agent. They may have sold it as covid related but it was happening anyway.

they did sell it as covid, although i am not sure if that was the piece i had seen, I would have to go back and take a look. i thought it was people on the ticketing and commercial side. 

[Barrington Womble]

10 minutes ago, No2 said:

Arsenal outsourced player recruitment to an agent. They may have sold it as covid related but it was happening anyway.

from the bbc. 

 

Arsenal plan to make 55 staff redundant because of coronavirus pandemic

Last updated on5 August 20205 August 2020.From the sectionArsenal

Arsenal finished eighth in the Premier League this season

Arsenal plan to make 55 staff redundant because of the financial impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

The Gunners' first-team players and head coach Mikel Arteta agreed a 12.5% pay cut in April.

Arsenal's executive team also agreed to waive more than a third of their salaries over the next 12 months.

However, the club say they now face "more significant and longer-lasting reductions in our revenue than we all hoped".

Arsenal added they did not take the decision to propose redundancies "lightly" and had looked at "every aspect of the club and our expenditure before reaching this point".

"We know this is upsetting and difficult for our dedicated staff and our focus is on managing this as sensitively as possible," the club concluded in a statement.

The redundancies are in the football, commercial and administration departments, with the majority coming in the latter two.

There will also be cuts to staff benefits, capital projects and discretionary projects, but investments will continue to be made in the playing staff and Arsenal's transfer plans are unaffected.

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust (AST) told BBC Sport it is looking for more information from the club to explain the plans.

In a statement, AST said it had hoped the players' wages cuts "would be used to ensure all Arsenal staff are looked after in these difficult times".

It added that it would be contacting the club to make sure that the staff let go "are given as much support as possible".

Arsenal, who won a record 14th FA Cup against Chelsea on Saturday, cited the loss of revenue from fans likely not being able to return to Emirates Stadium for the start of the 2020-21 season and only in limited numbers after that.

They said revenue from broadcasters, matchday and commercial activities had all been "hit severely" and that the club are facing one of the "most challenging periods" in their history.

The statement said agreed wage cuts and investment from owner Stan Kroenke had helped "reduce the impact of the pandemic on the club" and "maintain investment in the team".

However, they added: "It is now clear that we must reduce our costs further to ensure we are operating in a sustainable and responsible way, and to enable us to continue to invest in the team."

The proposals will now enter a 30-day consultation period.

Analysis

BBC sports editor Dan Roan

By becoming the first Premier League outfit to announce major job losses, Arsenal have issued a stark reminder of the unprecedented financial pressure that even big clubs find themselves under after a long period without matchday revenue, with less broadcast income than anticipated, and with the prospect of many months until grounds are back to full capacity.

At a time when the government is keen to see the Premier League do more to help lower league clubs survive the Covid-19 crisis, it also shows how difficult those negotiations could be.

However, many will ask whether it is right that so many lower-paid staff jobs are being lost at an estimated annual saving of around £2m when Arsenal are paying Mesut Ozil £350,000 per week, and are reported to have offered Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang a new £250,000-a-week contract.

The club have made clear that they have received "significant financial support" from owner Stan Kroenke for the refinancing of stadium debt. But it has not gone unnoticed that the American's wealth, already estimated at $8.3bn (£6.32bn), has reportedly increased by $400m (£305m) during the pandemic.

Arsenal will make the point that, despite an annual wage bill of around £230m, the players have agreed to a wage cut to do their bit, along with executives. And that at a time when there is no hospitality business for instance, that they have to prioritise their core product - the team - and make some tough choices.

But after both Spurs and Liverpool reversed their controversial decisions to put non-playing staff on furlough when the season was suspended amid fierce criticism from fans, it will be interesting to see if Arsenal stand firm or reconsider this move.

 

[Red74]

As Kenny dalglish once said, fans want to see the profits on the pitch 

 

 

* or something like that 

[lifetime fan]

16 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

and they may still lose their jobs down the line. the only reason they've all kept their jobs right now is because it would be bad PR to do otherwise. Arsenal didn't give a fuck about the PR and laid people off. And it is still beside the point. We paid less tax last year because we made a loss in previous years. Do you think we shouldn't have done that either? 

I don’t agree with the tax system either mate. 

[Thoth]

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

from the bbc. 

 

Arsenal plan to make 55 staff redundant because of coronavirus pandemic

Last updated on5 August 20205 August 2020.From the sectionArsenal

Arsenal finished eighth in the Premier League this season

Arsenal plan to make 55 staff redundant because of the financial impact of the coronavirus pandemic.

The Gunners' first-team players and head coach Mikel Arteta agreed a 12.5% pay cut in April.

Arsenal's executive team also agreed to waive more than a third of their salaries over the next 12 months.

However, the club say they now face "more significant and longer-lasting reductions in our revenue than we all hoped".

Arsenal added they did not take the decision to propose redundancies "lightly" and had looked at "every aspect of the club and our expenditure before reaching this point".

"We know this is upsetting and difficult for our dedicated staff and our focus is on managing this as sensitively as possible," the club concluded in a statement.

The redundancies are in the football, commercial and administration departments, with the majority coming in the latter two.

There will also be cuts to staff benefits, capital projects and discretionary projects, but investments will continue to be made in the playing staff and Arsenal's transfer plans are unaffected.

The Arsenal Supporters' Trust (AST) told BBC Sport it is looking for more information from the club to explain the plans.

In a statement, AST said it had hoped the players' wages cuts "would be used to ensure all Arsenal staff are looked after in these difficult times".

It added that it would be contacting the club to make sure that the staff let go "are given as much support as possible".

Arsenal, who won a record 14th FA Cup against Chelsea on Saturday, cited the loss of revenue from fans likely not being able to return to Emirates Stadium for the start of the 2020-21 season and only in limited numbers after that.

They said revenue from broadcasters, matchday and commercial activities had all been "hit severely" and that the club are facing one of the "most challenging periods" in their history.

The statement said agreed wage cuts and investment from owner Stan Kroenke had helped "reduce the impact of the pandemic on the club" and "maintain investment in the team".

However, they added: "It is now clear that we must reduce our costs further to ensure we are operating in a sustainable and responsible way, and to enable us to continue to invest in the team."

The proposals will now enter a 30-day consultation period.

Analysis

BBC sports editor Dan Roan

By becoming the first Premier League outfit to announce major job losses, Arsenal have issued a stark reminder of the unprecedented financial pressure that even big clubs find themselves under after a long period without matchday revenue, with less broadcast income than anticipated, and with the prospect of many months until grounds are back to full capacity.

At a time when the government is keen to see the Premier League do more to help lower league clubs survive the Covid-19 crisis, it also shows how difficult those negotiations could be.

However, many will ask whether it is right that so many lower-paid staff jobs are being lost at an estimated annual saving of around £2m when Arsenal are paying Mesut Ozil £350,000 per week, and are reported to have offered Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang a new £250,000-a-week contract.

The club have made clear that they have received "significant financial support" from owner Stan Kroenke for the refinancing of stadium debt. But it has not gone unnoticed that the American's wealth, already estimated at $8.3bn (£6.32bn), has reportedly increased by $400m (£305m) during the pandemic.

Arsenal will make the point that, despite an annual wage bill of around £230m, the players have agreed to a wage cut to do their bit, along with executives. And that at a time when there is no hospitality business for instance, that they have to prioritise their core product - the team - and make some tough choices.

But after both Spurs and Liverpool reversed their controversial decisions to put non-playing staff on furlough when the season was suspended amid fierce criticism from fans, it will be interesting to see if Arsenal stand firm or reconsider this move.

 

Mezut Ozil earns in a month what would pay those 55 staff in a year.. cunts

[RobbieOR]

4 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

The club prides itself on being socialist after Shankly, it portrays itself as a club where everyone pulls together. A lot of our fans hate the Tory government and say they are scouse not English. 

 

Then the club fucks over a load of lowly paid employees by making them apply for the furlough scheme but lets the players keep all their money. The wealthy owners expect the lowest paid to foot the bill for their losses. Basically what a Tory government does to public servants or benefit claimants.

 

Then the fans who hate the government and don't like being part of the establishment support a wealthy football club bumming money off a government they despise or don't want to recognise because they say they live in a scouse republic.

 

See this argument doesn't wash when some people are crying because we're not lashing millions on new footballers all the time. We can't complain about modern football being shite but then complain when we're not playing some part of it in my opinion. It's a contradiction. 

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

 

[Dave D]

We have come along way to be questioning the owners/ managers whose methods and strategy have brought us a European Cup and the The Premiership having also narrowly missed out on the same by a whisker the season before. in a period where the contest is massively weighed in favour of the richest cubs.

Plenty of seasons where we have "splashed the cash" and fucked it up royally.

 

Gini leaves, Thiago comes in- that will be it folks. 

 

Looking at todays developments this season could well be a write off before it gets going. 

 

Good business owners dont take gambles. Bad business owners do  Rich people with hobbies and money they are happy to write off do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

[BeefStroganoff]

1 hour ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

"Time to wheel the boss out"

[Section_31]

6 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

The club prides itself on being socialist after Shankly, it portrays itself as a club where everyone pulls together. A lot of our fans hate the Tory government and say they are scouse not English. 

 

Then the club fucks over a load of lowly paid employees by making them apply for the furlough scheme but lets the players keep all their money. The wealthy owners expect the lowest paid to foot the bill for their losses. Basically what a Tory government does to public servants or benefit claimants.

 

Then the fans who hate the government and don't like being part of the establishment support a wealthy football club bumming money off a government they despise or don't want to recognise because they say they live in a scouse republic.

 

The club have always been twats, it's not a good club when anything off the pitch is concerned and I'd argue that the fans felt/feel more affinity to particular managers (Shanks was treated badly by the club) than they do to the actual institution itself.

 

The club is a billion dollar business and I'd imagine the biggest cash cow in the city by far, yet the area of Anfield itself makes South Central Los Angeles look like Guernsey. It's never given anything to that community. 

 

Everton's Community outreach operation shits all over ours (cynically you could say theirs has to, as they need to do more work converting local kids into fans, but still). 

 

Any jobs I've seen advertised by the club, business/media/marketing type professional stuff, pretty much always pays less than market rate. 

 

I'm under no illusions the club is in any way socialist, or that it cares about fans, the city or local people. It's a business, I love some of the managers, a lot of our current and former players, the fans and the culture around it, i also associate it with the city I come from and follow it for that reason, but the club itself can tickle my balls.

[John102]

https://tribus-watches.com/collections/tri-08-collection?sort_by=price-descending

 

For anyone who wants to drop a grand on a Liverpool themed watch

[BeefStroganoff]

19 minutes ago, John102 said:

https://tribus-watches.com/collections/tri-08-collection?sort_by=price-descending

 

For anyone who wants to drop a grand on a Liverpool themed watch

Ill stick to my Omega i think.

[dockers_strike]

47 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

The club have always been twats, it's not a good club when anything off the pitch is concerned and I'd argue that the fans felt/feel more affinity to particular managers (Shanks was treated badly by the club) than they do to the actual institution itself.

 

The club is a billion dollar business and I'd imagine the biggest cash cow in the city by far, yet the area of Anfield itself makes South Central Los Angeles look like Guernsey. It's never given anything to that community. 

 

Everton's Community outreach operation shits all over ours (cynically you could say theirs has to, as they need to do more work converting local kids into fans, but still). 

 

Any jobs I've seen advertised by the club, business/media/marketing type professional stuff, pretty much always pays less than market rate. 

 

I'm under no illusions the club is in any way socialist, or that it cares about fans, the city or local people. It's a business, I love some of the managers, a lot of our current and former players, the fans and the culture around it, i also associate it with the city I come from and follow it for that reason, but the club itself can tickle my balls.

I think it's a bit harsh to say the club is not good off the field and everton's community stuff shits all over ours. There's a lot of stuff the club does but doesnt trumpet it as much.

 

The club is still giving 1000 free meals a day to needy people in Anfield. There was an announcement on the offal but nothing in the Echo to my knowledge. everton only have to fart in public and offer some air freshner and everyone knows about it.

 

Clubs were never about being community focal points beyond trying to make themselves more money. Even when Shankly was here, the club distanced itself  from any flavour of politics and back in the 70s, all the development office were bothered about was selling more golden goal tickets to the punters.

 

That has changed a lot in recent years and now clubs are expected to be a community focal point.

[Section_31]

6 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

I think it's a bit harsh to say the club is not good off the field and everton's community stuff shits all over ours. There's a lot of stuff the club does but doesnt trumpet it as much.

 

The club is still giving 1000 free meals a day to needy people in Anfield. There was an announcement on the offal but nothing in the Echo to my knowledge. everton only have to fart in public and offer some air freshner and everyone knows about it.

 

Clubs were never about being community focal points beyond trying to make themselves more money. Even when Shankly was here, the club distanced itself  from any flavour of politics and back in the 70s, all the development office were bothered about was selling more golden goal tickets to the punters.

 

That has changed a lot in recent years and now clubs are expected to be a community focal point.

Yeah I'm not saying the club should be what it's not, it is a business and as you rightly say it doesn't pretend to be otherwise, which is fair enough. 

 

When I think of what makes LFC special I think more of the bond between the players, managers and fans more than what the club itself brings to the table.

[Lario]

4 hours ago, Thoth said:

Mezut Ozil earns in a month what would pay those 55 staff in a year.. cunts

They lose their jobs and you call them cunts. 

 

Poor form that. 

[Code]

11 hours ago, RobbieOR said:

I don't understand why football clubs were getting shit for using it when other massive companies that are way more profitable (football clubs aren't really set up to be profitable, very few do so even us) were doing it. 

Its because stupid people never buy ponies.

[Evelyn Tentions]

7 hours ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

And we've got hedge fund managers. The American equivalents of Jacob Rees Mogg

[Dave D]

11 hours ago, John102 said:

https://tribus-watches.com/collections/tri-08-collection?sort_by=price-descending

 

For anyone who wants to drop a grand on a Liverpool themed watch

Im more of a classy James Bond type watch myself

 

[BeefStroganoff]

30 minutes ago, Dave D said:

Im more of a classy James Bond type watch myself

 

Classic. Along with the one that was a transformer. 80s staple.

[Dave D]

1 hour ago, BeefStroganoff said:

Classic. Along with the one that was a transformer. 80s staple.

It played the tune. Instant street cred

[Evelyn Tentions]

Hedge fund managers,Yankee Rees Moggs. Those yacht fittings aren't going to gold plate themselves you know,

[Anubis]

Buy Thiago you cunts.

[Pete]

We definitely need freshening up. If they want their investment to continue making money they need to open the cheque book.