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It seems really weird that they've done this, doesn't really make sense to me. 

 

I can only hope that they've just used furlough as a blanket term for putting the staff on paid leave themselves rather than it being paid by the government. 

 

I'd wait until I hear more before I get too outraged to be honest, there's got to be more to this surely. 

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49 minutes ago, Aventus said:

It seems really weird that they've done this, doesn't really make sense to me. 

 

I can only hope that they've just used furlough as a blanket term for putting the staff on paid leave themselves rather than it being paid by the government. 

 

I'd wait until I hear more before I get too outraged to be honest, there's got to be more to this surely. 

 

 

Or not.

 

 

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5 hours ago, Code said:

Absolutely no problem with this at all.

 

All companies will do this, especially those put out of business by the government.

The latter is untrue. And morally irrelevant.

 

In any event, since it's not your tax contributions or public services at stake, thankfully your opinion doesn't count.

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This is on the club website from the statement yesterday: Does it say that staff will be paid 100 percent of salary? And does that mean the club will pay it?

 

 

 

Liverpool FC has placed some staff who are impacted by the Premier League suspension on furlough. The club has confirmed those staff will be paid 100 per cent of their salaries to ensure no member of staff is financially disadvantaged. Last month the club also confirmed that it would pay its matchday and non-matchday staff while the Premier League is suspended.

Even prior to the decision on staff furloughing, there was a collective commitment at senior levels of the club – on and off the pitch – with everyone working towards a solution that secures jobs for employees of the club during this unprecedented crisis. There is ongoing active engagement about the topic of salary deductions during the period matches are not being played to schedule. These discussions are complex and as a result the process is ongoing.

 

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2 hours ago, Josef Svejk said:

The latter is untrue. And morally irrelevant.

 

In any event, since it's not your tax contributions or public services at stake, thankfully your opinion doesn't count.

 

It’s not my income tax no, but I obviously pay other taxes like VAT to the UK, as I spend around 10-15k in the country every year.

 

This is how a social democracy works, this is what is happening in Norway as we speak, the country most people want to look to as the ideal for how a social democracy should work.

 

We have a conservative government, the funny thing is that now we have this crisis they are acting more and more how a labour government would do.

 

They have cut the days businesses pay for furlough from 16 to 2 to help them stay afloat, they have put up the percentage of the income they pay to workers on furlough from 66% to 80%.

 

The only workers not in an immediate danger of being furloughed are those in public sector, basically because the government already pay their salary and we need them to keep the wheel turning.

 

To think a football club would not join such a scheme now introduced  by the government is a bit naive, the reason they can’t furlough the players is that they then will be allowed to leave for free, but for other staff members it’s the natural thing to do if they don’t have any work they can do at the club.

 

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23 minutes ago, etho said:

This is on the club website from the statement yesterday: Does it say that staff will be paid 100 percent of salary? And does that mean the club will pay it?

 

 

 

Liverpool FC has placed some staff who are impacted by the Premier League suspension on furlough. The club has confirmed those staff will be paid 100 per cent of their salaries to ensure no member of staff is financially disadvantaged. Last month the club also confirmed that it would pay its matchday and non-matchday staff while the Premier League is suspended.

Even prior to the decision on staff furloughing, there was a collective commitment at senior levels of the club – on and off the pitch – with everyone working towards a solution that secures jobs for employees of the club during this unprecedented crisis. There is ongoing active engagement about the topic of salary deductions during the period matches are not being played to schedule. These discussions are complex and as a result the process is ongoing.

 

Yes, it says the furloughed staff will be paid 100% of their salaries. No, the club is using the UK Government scheme to pay 80% of the wage with the club topping up the remaining 20%.

 

Presumably, those matchday and non matchday staff have also be paid 100% of their salary in advance. As this was done before the Government scheme was announced, one would presume the club paid all the money.

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53 minutes ago, Code said:

 

It’s not my income tax no, but I obviously pay other taxes like VAT to the UK, as I spend around 10-15k in the country every year.

 

This is how a social democracy works, this is what is happening in Norway as we speak, the country most people want to look to as the ideal for how a social democracy should work.

 

We have a conservative government, the funny thing is that now we have this crisis they are acting more and more how a labour government would do.

 

They have cut the days businesses pay for furlough from 16 to 2 to help them stay afloat, they have put up the percentage of the income they pay to workers on furlough from 66% to 80%.

 

The only workers not in an immediate danger of being furloughed are those in public sector, basically because the government already pay their salary and we need them to keep the wheel turning.

 

To think a football club would not join such a scheme now introduced  by the government is a bit naive, the reason they can’t furlough the players is that they then will be allowed to leave for free, but for other staff members it’s the natural thing to do if they don’t have any work they can do at the club.

 

Pure Norwegian arrogance. And I've encountered it before.

 

This is how social democracy works? Norway represents the ideal of social democracy? That's not for you to determine, you fucking imperialist.

 

To me (and it is merely my opinion, for the little I recognise this is worth) Norway represents the socio-economic (if not ecological) benefits of striking oil. It's one of the Beverly Hillbillies of the West (and I come from another lesser example)...

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6 minutes ago, Josef Svejk said:

Pure Norwegian arrogance. And I've encountered it before.

 

This is how social democracy works? Norway represents the ideal of social democracy? That's not for you to determine, you fucking imperialist.

 

To me (and it is merely my opinion, for the little I recognise this is worth) Norway represents the socio-economic (if not ecological) benefits of striking oil. It's one of the Beverly Hillbillies of the West (and I come from another lesser example)...


Yes its how a social democracy works. The state helps you out when you no longer have a job.

 

For the rest, I’m not saying it, others do.

 

https://theweek.com/articles/783700/democratic-socialism-bad-why-norway-great

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2 minutes ago, Code said:


Yes its how a social democracy works. The state helps you out when you no longer have a job.

 

For the rest, I’m not saying it, others do.

 

https://theweek.com/articles/783700/democratic-socialism-bad-why-norway-great

You're missing the point: even if it were great, it wouldn't follow that others could follow the model (since most others haven't struck oil).

 

As for whether others should follow the model (resources or pure luck permitting): a good argument needs to be made; your (to be charitable) argument is one from the spurious authority of Ryan fucking Cooper - which in fact has nothing whatsoever to do with current circumstances.

 

Your only argument concerning Liverpool FC ripping off the British tax payer is that it would be naive not to do so when every other company is. This is a pretty amoral argument. But it's also a bad argument because (1) not every company is doing it and (2) even if they were, it wouldn't follow that Liverpool FC should.

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12 minutes ago, Code said:


Yes its how a social democracy works. The state helps you out when you no longer have a job.

Incidentally, this is also pathetic reasoning since (1) the people in question do have jobs (that their employer can sustain) and (2) the state is helping out the employer rather than the employee in such a scenario.

 

That's called state capitalism, not social democracy.

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1 hour ago, dockers_strike said:

Yes, it says the furloughed staff will be paid 100% of their salaries. No, the club is using the UK Government scheme to pay 80% of the wage with the club topping up the remaining 20%.

Is there an official line anywhere that says we're definitely using government money to do this? 

 

All I've seen is them using the word furlough and everyone is assuming it's government backed. 

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