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Also, we mustn't forget the current owners STATED policy when they took over, of buying young players and developing them. My feeling is that Kenny has constraints with transfer policy, not just in terms of cashflow, but in terms of player type. Once again, as already discussed in other threads, there would have been a 'list' of desired talent that Kenny would have compiled with Clarke, presumably. Players like Carroll and Henderson would have been on the list, but to suggest that all the eleventh hour negotiating for say, Carroll, at the end of that window, was done by Kenny Dalglish, is ridiculous. Equally, he would have felt it worthwhile adding Henderson to the team squad, but it would certainly not have been his call to say "at whatever the cost"

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Clarke's contract was set before kenny arrived. I doubt whether Kenny could sack Clarke.

 

Are you sure? Didn't Kenny come first and then chose Clarke to come in?

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Also, we mustn't forget the current owners STATED policy when they took over, of buying young players and developing them. My feeling is that Kenny has constraints with transfer policy, not just in terms of cashflow, but in terms of player type. Once again, as already discussed in other threads, there would have been a 'list' of desired talent that Kenny would have compiled with Clarke, presumably. Players like Carroll and Henderson would have been on the list, but to suggest that all the eleventh hour negotiating for say, Carroll, at the end of that window, was done by Kenny Dalglish, is ridiculous. Equally, he would have felt it worthwhile adding Henderson to the team squad, but it would certainly not have been his call to say "at whatever the cost"

 

This is a good point.

If you listen to most footballers speak about their transfers you will hear them say that the fees have nothing to do with them and they meet with their new managers briefly while the money men sort out the numbers.

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Coaching is only a quarter of the work done in football. Another 35% is the tactics by the manager and the rest of 50% is the players ability.

 

You can have the best coaching team in the world but if the player fails to live up and play with his ability nothing much we can do. The rest of it is done on the pitch. On the pitch is all that matters.

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Coaching is only a quarter of the work done in football. Another 35% is the tactics by the manager and the rest of 50% is the players ability.

 

You can have the best coaching team in the world but if the player fails to live up and play with his ability nothing much we can do. The rest of it is done on the pitch. On the pitch is all that matters.

 

And hopefully the players will give 110%.

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When I read threads like this on here I realise that the level of intelligence displayed is directly linked to the team's results. Right now we are a bunch on illiterate fucks who couldn't invent the wheel.

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Clarke's contract was set before kenny arrived. I doubt whether Kenny could sack Clarke.

 

Was it? I don't recall that version of events at all, care to elaborate?

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Was it? I don't recall that version of events at all, care to elaborate?

 

I think that Kop Out has conceded his mistake on that.

 

More generally, despite Comolli being in charge, I would be astonished if Kenny did not have control over who his first team coach should, and should not,be.

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I think that Kop Out has conceded his mistake on that.

 

More generally, despite Comolli being in charge, I would be astonished if Kenny did not have control over who his first team coach should, and should not,be.

 

Comolli is not in charge.

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Comolli sits on the Club Board as the man responsible for football matters - that is being in charge.

 

You don't half talk some fucking shite lad. Wrong AGAIN.

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Can you please back that up with at least a pic. My gut feeling is that the team would experience an improvement of form with a switch to PG Tips, on account of all that classic advertising. Dad, d'you know that piano's on my foot??

That just sums up what's wrong. Chimps advertising PG Tips might have been successful in the 70s and 80s, but tea has changed. Has our tea lady really got what it takes to meet the demands of a 21st Century brew?

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You don't half talk some fucking shite lad. Wrong AGAIN.

 

The LFC Board comprises:Tom Werner,

Managing Director:Ian Ayre,

Directors:John W Henry · David Ginsberg · Philip Nash · Michael Gordon · Jeffrey Vinik · Damien Comolli

President (Honorary Lifetime): David Moores

 

I hope that helps.

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The LFC Board comprises:Tom Werner,

Managing Director:Ian Ayre,

Directors:John W Henry · David Ginsberg · Philip Nash · Michael Gordon · Jeffrey Vinik · Damien Comolli

President (Honorary Lifetime): David Moores

 

I hope that helps.

 

Really?

 

Directors - Liverpool FC

 

I hope this helps.

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Really?

 

Directors - Liverpool FC

 

I hope this helps.

 

It doesn't.

 

That is the Ltd Company Board, Comolli sits on the Club Board of Management as a Director - an easy mistake to make.

 

The distinction being that the Ltd company Board takes financial decisions,and Comolli is not responsible for those.An identical set up is in place at Chelsea where Frank Arnesen held an identical position.

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Just posting the full article on the dismissal of Sammy Lee. There are one or two interesting points. John Henry also reiterates the youth signing policy.

 

From The Telegraph 11:00PM BST 29 Jun 2011 :

 

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Sammy Lee leaves role as assistant manager at Liverpool

Sammy Lee has left his post as Liverpool’s assistant manager, seemingly ending a 35-year on-off association with Anfield.

 

Former Liverpool player Gary McAllister and the recently dismissed Chelsea coach, Paul Clement, are among those being considered to replace him.

Lee’s representatives were thought to be discussing a compensation package with Liverpool after the 52 year-old was told by his erstwhile team-mate, the club’s current manager Kenny Dalglish, that he was no longer required.

Lee was described by Dalglish as a key part of his team as recently as May.

Lee spent a decade as a Liverpool player before returning as a coach in 1993.

He was appointed assistant manager by Rafael Benitez in 2008 after a spell at Bolton.

 

 

His position was undermined as soon as Dalglish recruited Steve Clarke as his first-team coach in January but, while Lee’s dismissal has been broadly expected, its timing — five days before the start of pre-season training — will come as a blow to the former Bolton manager.

Though Clarke had already assumed most of his duties, Liverpool want to appoint a coach to work alongside the two Scots. Clement knows Clarke well from their time at Stamford Bridge and is expected to be a leading contender, while McAllister’s association with the club would make him a popular choice.

Meanwhile, Steve Bruce has described beating Liverpool — as well as Tottenham — to the signature of Ipswich striker Connor Wickham as a substantial coup for Sunderland.

The Premier League side will pay £9.2 million up front, but that could rise to £13 million.

Although Liverpool’s owner, John Henry, on Wednesday reaffirmed the club’s commitment to youth on his Twitter feed - “speculation on players shouldn’t include those of a certain age; we are not going to be successful by merely filling short-term needs” – Liverpool were not prepared to offer more than £7 million for Wickham.

The club’s owner also appeared to explain Liverpool’s withdrawal from talks over Wickham when he added: “Everything in sports is overpriced now - especially the cost of winning. But you make your choices based on a plan.”

Bruce said: “A number of top sides have been chasing Connor so naturally we are absolutely delighted he has chosen Sunderland,” said Bruce, who is expected to sign Birmingham’s Craig Gardner shortly.

Wickham, an England under-21 international, admitted Bruce’s ambitions for Sunderland convinced him to complete a switch to the Stadium of Light.

 

 

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So, Henry admits overpricing of players, but there's a plan. Carroll $35 million, but part of a plan Mr Henry??

 

I wonder (just reading between the lines a bit) Sammy Lee has now gone back to Bolton as their youth Coach (Head of the Academy) and was Rafa's Number 2. He also had a spell of coaching the England team under Sven, and was offered the Under 21 National coaching role but turned it down to come back to Anfield under Rafa.

 

Question:- How much did he throw his weight behind the signing of Carroll as a youth player in that January transfer window (in an advisory capacity as an experienced youth player coach) - and has he been punished severely for it? Just a thought. It's 3am and I have bizarre brain activity when I can't sleep.

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The problem with this may be that it was 20 years ago and a major criticism of kenny is that his managerial style is from a different era but I'd imagine fergie's training sessions are more or less the same as they've always been although obviously it would have evolved somewhat over time and the introduction of sport science etc.

 

if kenny still uses the same structure as below then clarke and keen do all the training and kenny picks the team after he beats them in a friday 5 a side. I'm sure clarke and keen have all the modern day methods so I'm not sure why it isn't working. Maybe it is just a terrible run that we need to work our way out of.

 

 

 

How Kenny Dalglish turned a six-game losing run into glory

 

By Ian Singleton

BBC Sport

 

Kenny Dalglish has described Liverpool's current form as the worst run he can remember as a manager, player and supporter.

 

But the Reds boss would do well to recall a dreadful six-game losing run he oversaw while in charge of Blackburn exactly 20 years ago.

 

LIVERPOOL'S LEAGUE RUN

11 Feb Man Utd 1-2

 

3 Mar Arsenal 1-2

 

10 Mar Sunderland 0-1

 

13 Mar Everton 3-0

 

21 Mar QPR 2-3

 

24 Mar Wigan 1-2

 

1 Apr Newcastle 0-2

 

7 Apr Aston Villa 1-1

 

The similarities are striking: Form that crumbled in March, big money signings failing to perform, and back page stories questioning whether 'King Kenny' could still cut it as a manager.

 

If Dalglish was to reflect on that run amid growing pressure at Liverpool he may find some reassurance at how quickly things can change.

 

The run ended with a draw, Liverpool's last result. Three years later, his team won the Premier League.

 

Now Dalglish's Liverpool have a chance to end their bad run at Ewood Park against Blackburn on Tuesday.

 

Blackburn record goalscorer Simon Garner, who was part of that 1991-92 squad, describes how Dalglish coped during such a bad run of form and what he did to turn it around.

 

TRAINING AND TACTICS

 

 

Ray Harford succeeded Dalglish as manager in 1995

 

"He left all the coaching to Ray Harford [his assistant manager] who was a very, very good coach. Kenny would come in with a smile on his face and have a laugh and a joke.

 

"Every Friday we would have five-a-sides and Kenny would play. We wouldn't stop playing until Kenny had won a game. Kenny is happiest when he is around the training ground with a bunch of footballers.

 

"We didn't talk about the run in training. We approach every game the same way, training was the same. We carried on as normal.

 

"Generally, we used to train for the opposition. I remember one game against Charlton and Kenny said to Ray Harford 'we will play a long ball game just for one game as Charlton won't expect it'. We trained to that plan all week and won.

 

"However we never used to know the team until 2pm on matchday. Kenny wasn't afraid to change a team. Time and again he would come up with a selection you wouldn't have expected."

 

MAN-MANAGEMENT

 

"Some players need an arm around their shoulder, some need a telling off and Kenny understood that.

 

"When you were behind closed doors he could lose his temper. The only time this would happen was after a match when you'd had a bad game. But he wasn't one for throwing tea cups. Most of the time he would encourage you and this didn't change during a bad run.

 

"He wouldn't get annoyed as long as you worked hard and were giving everything you could give. If you worked your socks off he would understand."

 

HANDLING THE PRESS

 

 

Garner scored 194 goals for Rovers

"Kenny would always defend the players to the press and public, like he does with Liverpool now. We appreciated that.

"You don't want to read your manager in the papers saying you were having a bad time. Kenny never let that happen.

"He tried not to let the players feel the pressure and it helped. We were expected to get promoted because of all the money Jack Walker had spent.

"At the back of your mind you were thinking about it, but it wasn't talked about during the run so you didn't dwell on it."

SIGNINGS

 

"Back then you could sign players until March. He is missing a goalscorer at Liverpool. At Blackburn he was able to go out and buy players to try and get the goals mid season.

 

"He was happy to sign a player to do a job and get us up a division knowing he would replace them in the summer. You can't make those signings now with the transfer window.

 

"If he is still in charge in the summer there will be a lot of changes."

 

TURNING POINT

 

"We had a great team spirit. I don't think you get that so much nowadays in the Premier League. The game is so different. There are so many foreign players.

 

BLACKBURN 1991-1992

Dalglish appointed October 1991 by Jack Walker.

Blackburn hit first place in December after eights wins in 11 games.

Top for three months until six defeats puts them seventh.

Two wins in last four matches sees them finish sixth.

Win over Leicester in play-off final secures promotion.

 

"Back then all the players stuck together and got on well, socialised together. I don't think that happens in the modern game.

 

"In that run it wasn't happening for us but we all thought deep down that we could turn it around.

 

"Kenny lives for football and I think he will be playing it similar to how he did it at Blackburn in that he will have the belief they are good enough.

 

"He will be hurting. Liverpool is in his heart. He looks older and tense this season. He looks like he is under pressure but he will try not let that get to the players.

 

"When you look at their squad they have enough to stop the run and he still has the FA Cup to go for."

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