Summer Transfer Thread 2012

[smilezzz]

No the difference is Jones plays fpr a club which although we don't like their manager has imposed to fans and media the culture of patience with players. Jones is actually quite short(180) for a central defender. Unless he becomes the new Cannavaro, he'll find it hard to compete at the very top. There is no reason why he wouldn't develop into the next Cannavaro though.

 

If De Gea, Nani or Jones had signed for Liverpool, fans and media would have ruined them after their first season.

 

Instead of this nonsense about Carroll and Jones. Why don't you admit that Liverpool fans haven't got the culture of patience with young players? That if a player is not a wonderkid like Owen or Gerrard and doesn't hit the ground running like Torres, won't be given enough time to prove himself before they start calling him names and ruin his confidence?

 

This was emphatically proved with Lucas. The guy was considered for at least 3 seasons not good enough, flop, slow, boring, headless chicken etc.... they even booed him. That's how patient fans are with players. Every single pundit I can remember, was calling him "not Liverpool material", not "Top 4 material" etc... After 3 seasons with the support of Rafa he developed into one of the finest midfielders in the league, he even captained his country's national team, certain Brazil.

 

Yet many fans would go to extreme lenghs to justify the owners' decisions. This is a pradox. They haven't got patience with Carroll or Henderson, but they're willing to overlook the owners failings.It's got to do something with what that Canadian guy mentioned the other day. Something about authority.

 

Finally something about Carroll. This summer Arsenal signed the French equivalent of Carroll, a tall strong, left footed, pure target man, Giroud. Age 25, two years older than Carroll. I bet Wenger has the know how to turn him into a world class player.

 

That's a good post that.

 

You have to realise, however, that lot are bedding in youngsters from a position of strength, whereas we need to find a balance in bringing in youth AND experience in order to stay competitive. We had that here years ago, but were asset stripped, and need to start all over again. If we gamble and give so many players time they need to perhaps come good, we will lose the few world class players we currently have.

 

There is also an expectation that when you pay 35mil for a player, that he will be world class. Carroll's shown very little that he can fall within that category, and to a lesser extent, so has Henderson.

[dirk grout]

But I'm asking you, if "the reality is we didnt[sic] have the money this year", where did we get the £25.5m for Borini and Allen, and where are we getting the loan fee for Sahin and the money for the second player (thought to be €17m for Callejón) coming from? Have we sold players for big money?

 

I think it would be wise to wait until the end of the window and see how much our net spend actually is before we start talking about how much money we have. It seems clear that we are trying to sell Carroll which will cover most of our out goings so far.

[Mad_Wolf]

Any Walcott news ?

[Nightcat]

Well, since I never mentioned Lucas, also supported Henderson and simply stated Caroll is not going to make it I am not sure why you decided to have a mad rant like that!

 

Caroll is not good enough and should never have been bought, we all know this! Your talk about patience is fine, but there is the flip side to that which is don't spend £35m on a 22 year old on the back of a decent 6 months in the premiership! Have the patience to see if that is nothing more than a purple patch. Form is temporary class is permanent works is not just relevant to someone out of form.

 

Patience isn't always about giving the youth a chance to come good, it is simply about giving them the opportunity to prove how good they are. You shouldn't write off a young player on the back of a decent season, and equally you shouldn't praise them to the hilt on the back of a decent season.

We all know that? No we don't. Who says Carroll is not good enough?

I believe he is good enough and if he was nurtured by a manager like Mourinho, Ferguson, Rafa or Wenger he could become a great forward. He is just too young and he is still learning.

 

I agree that Carroll was not a suitable replacement for our departing Number 9. But who decided to sell him to our direct rivals and then replace him with a 21 year old player full of potential but not ready yet? Who went in the press pretending the specialist and saying that Torres' price was determined by Carroll's and some other strange things about the Arsenal model and selling old to buy young etc...? Those people never get any criticism, it's always the player or the manager. At the end of the day, who brought Commolli to Liverpool?

 

If you ask my opinion I'd have kept Torres and added Suarez. But they decided it was time to sell our number nine because "he was getting old and he wanted to win and a 50m offer can't be turned down lighthearted" etc...

 

and why sell Agger this season? We've got the third best defence in the league. So practically our defence is Top 4 material. Why sell our best defender and risk ruining our best department, the only department which looked Top4 last season?

[dirk grout]

Any Walcott news ?

 

Apparently hes still a headless chicken.

[Major Tom]

If you ask my opinion I'd have kept Torres and added Suarez. But they decided it was time to sell our number nine because "he was getting old and he wanted to win and a 50m offer can't be turned down lighthearted" etc...

 

 

Who decided to sell Torres?

[Nightcat]

Who decided to sell Torres?

FSG, Commolli and perhaps Kenny.

 

Who decides on Agger? Certainly not the player. It can't be the player's fault again?

[Major Tom]

FSG, Commolli and perhaps Kenny.

 

Who decides on Agger? Certainly not the player. It can't be the player's fault again?

 

So if the manager decides to sell the player, who are you having a go at exactly?

 

Torres had been shite for 18 months, wanted out and we were offered ridiculous money for him. The problems started when we began negotiating with Nwcastle for Carroll.

 

In other news, the interweb tells me Arsenal have made a last gasp attempt to hijack the Sahin deal. Always going to happen with their pockets being lined with gold 'n' all.

 

Who knows what to believe.

[Nightcat]

So if the manager decides to sell the player, who are you having a go at exactly?

 

Torres had been shite for 18 months, wanted out and we were offered ridiculous money for him. The problems started when we began negotiating with Nwcastle for Carroll.

 

In other news, the interweb tells me Arsenal have made a last gasp attempt to hijack the Sahin deal. Always going to happen with their pockets being lined with gold 'n' all.

 

Who knows what to believe.

 

It's not really like that though. The manager was appointed just a week before Torres got sold. There was also a Director of Football strategy, Commolli doing all the negotiations and deals and implementing an Arsenal model under the FSG's vision. You can hardly blame Kenny for Torres departure.

 

Who will decide on Agger?

[TheHowieLama]

Apparently hes still a headless chicken.

 

Who has yet to be caught.

 

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

FSG, Commolli and perhaps Kenny.

 

Who decides on Agger? Certainly not the player. It can't be the player's fault again?

 

Torres got his head turned by Barcelona the season before he went to Chelsea.

 

He was told they were coming in for him.

 

I cant remember exactly the chain of events apart from it was something to do with them and Ibramcrapovitch.

 

I think they ended up buying him instead or either they needed to sell him first.

 

Once his head got turned he was never the same player for us and burned many bridges here.

 

When it appeared that Barcelona werent coming for him and the Chavs came knocking he took that option instead.

 

Probably explains alot about his form for the m to originally as he had his heart set on Barca.

 

The ironic thing is if he had stayed with us till the end of the season he would probably be a Barca player now.

 

They sold Ibramcrapovitch the end of the season and would of come for him then.

[TheHowieLama]

 

Who will decide on Agger?

 

Whelan.

[Nomad]

I do hope that we tie down Sahin very very soon, it seems to have gone on for a few days now and knowing our luck someone will try to hijack the deal. I have heard its a done deal but nothings done until contract and the club had announced it.

[Major Tom]

It's not really like that though. The manager was appointed just a week before Torres got sold. There was also a Director of Football strategy, Commolli doing all the negotiations and deals and implementing an Arsenal model under the FSG's vision. You can hardly blame Kenny for Torres departure.

 

Who will decide on Agger?

 

The magic 8-ball.

 

I don't blame anyone for Torres' departure. It was no-ones fault. The player wanted to leave, the club got extortionate money so everyone was happy. For about 24 hours that is, until we spunked the vast majority of it on Carroll, who devalued in price by about 50% as soon as we took him off the lot.

 

IF you are looking to blame someone for something, blame someone for the Carroll purchase.

[bonesman]

Torres got his head turned by Barcelona the season before he went to Chelsea.

 

He was told they were coming in for him.

 

I cant remember exactly the chain of events apart from it was something to do with them and Ibramcrapovitch.

 

I think they ended up buying him instead or either they needed to sell him first.

 

Once his head got turned he was never the same player for us and burned many bridges here.

 

When it appeared that Barcelona werent coming for him and the Chavs came knocking he took that option instead.

 

Probably explains alot about his form for the m to originally as he had his heart set on Barca.

 

The ironic thing is if he had stayed with us till the end of the season he would probably be a Barca player now.

 

They sold Ibramcrapovitch the end of the season and would of come for him then.

 

Do you remember the charlotte Jackson incident ?

for me that had its part to play in the scenario..

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

I do hope that we tie down Sahin very very soon, it seems to have gone on for a few days now and knowing our luck someone will try to hijack the deal. I have heard its a done deal but nothings done until contract and the club had announced it.

It s already done mate but there wont be a announcement till after medical etc.

 

Spanish press are suppose to be reporting it as done and apparently his agent has to.

[Major Tom]

It s already done mate but there wont be a announcement till after medical etc.

 

Spanish press are suppose to be reporting it as done and apparently his agent has to.

 

beauty.

[Nomad]

It s already done mate but there wont be a announcement till after medical etc.

 

Spanish press are suppose to be reporting it as done and apparently his agent has to.

 

Hope your right mate, cheers

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

Sahin aparece mais perto de acerto com o Liverpool | FOX Sports

 

 

Liverpool are about to win the duel with Arsenal at half Sahin, Real Madrid. According to Spanish media, the Turkish player will be loaned to the Anfield team for one season.

 

The Arsenal was the club had last week as the likely destination Sahin, but coach José Mourinho chose relinquish it to the club on Earth Beatles.

 

Read also: Milan will give last chance to get Kaka

 

Your team hired a pereba? We know how you feel

 

Hired last season with the Borussia Dortmund for ten million euros ($ 24.8 million

[Nightcat]

The magic 8-ball.

 

I don't blame anyone for Torres' departure. It was no-ones fault. The player wanted to leave, the club got extortionate money so everyone was happy. For about 24 hours that is, until we spunked the vast majority of it on Carroll, who devalued in price by about 50% as soon as we took him off the lot.

 

IF you are looking to blame someone for something, blame someone for the Carroll purchase.

I know it's all Kenny's fault for selling our number 9 to our direct rivals, that the fans don't have the patience with Carroll or that Llorente didn't want to sign for us. FSG and Commolli had nothing to do with this.

 

Are you going to blame Rodgers if Agger gets sold to our rivals and our defence looks weak in the upcoming season?

[Major Tom]

I know it's all Kenny's fault for selling our number 9 to our direct rivals, that the fans don't have the patience with Carroll or that Llorente didn't want to sign for us. FSG and Commolli had nothing to do with this.

 

Are you going to blame Rodgers if Agger gets sold to our rivals and our defence looks weak in the upcoming season?

 

What part of 'I don't blame anyone' did you not understand, Nightcat?!

 

As for Agger, why do you need to apportion blame? He hasn't been sold! The time for post-mortems and apportioning blame will come once the player is sold. I have no idea what is going on at the club regarding Agger though. A strange one.

[Dan]

That translation is ace haha

[Whelan]

I wonder if the delay is for Callejon?

[BringbackBiscan]

We've signed a mother fucking winger at last. Back of the net

[clone number 3]

Who the chuff is this Oussama Assaidi we're signing?!