Racism

[Strontium]

55 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Corbyn isn't an Anti Semite

 

Johnson is.

 

The same Johnson who is one-eighth Jewish?

[Strontium]

18 minutes ago, SasaS said:

They wrote something like the camps story was fake and lost in court, which ended the Living part.

 

There were a lot of old Marxists who said the genocide was an invention, just look at this Early Day Motion from 2004:

 

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26919

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The same Johnson who is one-eighth Jewish?

Was his Novel Twenty-Two Virgins anti-semitic? 

 

EDIT: I don't expect an answer. 

[SasaS]

8 minutes ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

There were a lot of old Marxists who said the genocide was an invention, just look at this Early Day Motion from 2004:

 

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26919

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That is about Kosovo, right? I think that was mostly anti-Nato although there were quite a few Milošević apologists and Pilger is still at it.

I find the group around Living Marxism fascinating, they re-launched it as Spiked, which is or was if I remember correctly funded by Koch Industries, and I think some of them (was that the same group?) ended up on Farage's list for last EP elections. And now this Mirza character is among Johnson's advisers.

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

Isn't it funny how people of a certain mindset often ignore inconvenient (to them) questions. 

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[Jose Jones]

49 minutes ago, SasaS said:

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That is about Kosovo, right? I think that was mostly anti-Nato although there were quite a few Milošević apologists and Pilger is still at it.

I find the group around Living Marxism fascinating, they re-launched it as Spiked, which is or was if I remember correctly funded by Koch Industries, and I think some of them (was that the same group?) ended up on Farage's list for last EP elections. And now this Mirza character is among Johnson's advisers.

Didn't Milošević end up getting found not guilty for the Bosnia stuff at the Hague - Karadzic got all the blame for that -  but then he died before the Kosovo stuff was judged?

[VladimirIlyich]

7 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Oh quite a few times in my opinion. Or he’s just unlucky.  
 

Well if voting for a racist party is bad, then it’s all the bloody Labour voters I can discount too.  They’ll be no one left soon. 

'Quite a few times?' Any examples? Did he call anybody a picaninny,for example?

[Scooby Dudek]

So a report into corruption in Liverpool Labour, don't mention Tory "what about" it is cheap, not allowed and shows your idiot tribal bias.

 

Currently talking about racism and the Tory party, yeah but "what about" ...

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The same Johnson who is one-eighth Jewish?

Really?  The stuff he wrote can't be anti-Semitic because one of his great-grandparents was Jewish?  Is this like the argument that it's not racist when rappers drop the N bomb?

 

That's a truly shit argument, Stronts, and you know it.

 

Try addressing the stuff that Johnson wrote and judging whether or not that was anti-Semitic.  For fun, use the same criteria you've been applying to Jeremy Corbyn for nearly 6 years. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

The same Johnson who is one-eighth Jewish?

Do you accept, by the same logic, that all the  (more than one-eighth) Jewish Corbyn-supporting Socialists who were accused of anti-Semitism should never have faced that accusation?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

There were a lot of old Marxists who said the genocide was an invention, just look at this Early Day Motion from 2004:

 

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/26919

Wrong war.

 

War crimes in Kosovo weren't genocide; so, in that respect, the EDM was correct.  The recognised genocide (which, I think, Living Marxism denied) took place a decade earlier in Bosnia.

 

[Moo]

35 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

So a report into corruption in Liverpool Labour, don't mention Tory "what about" it is cheap, not allowed and shows your idiot tribal bias.

 

Currently talking about racism and the Tory party, yeah but "what about" ...

 

 

He's a prick.

[Pidge]

So, everyone had a look through the report, yeah?

[Bruce Spanner]

8 minutes ago, Pidge said:

So, everyone had a look through the report, yeah?

Yeah, well some of it, but I’ll have to at some  point read the whole thing.

 

Grim all round, reads like it was written to deliberately deceive, either that or written by amateurs who haven’t conducted research before, which we know they have...

 

Anyway here’s a report of how they tried to subvert the publication and mask the inherent contradictions in it.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/brazen-government-media-strategy-muddies-detail-race-report

 

I genuinely hate them.

[Bjornebye]

9 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Isn't it funny how people of a certain mindset often ignore inconvenient (to them) questions. 

Yep. 

2 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

I fell asleep (genuinely)

Ok well you're awake now. Care to answer? 

[Manny]

Really fucking pissed off with this - I can't think of a more corrupt, self-serving set of bastards since the war and yet they keep getting away with it time after time. Genuinely astonished that the main conclusion is that socio-economic factors have a greater influence in your likely outcomes in life than race - well, yeah, but did you stop and ask why there's a correlation between BAME communities and low socio-economic status? Because that feels like the real quiz, and probably should be one of the major research questions rather than a fucking finding. But no, "some white people are poor as well you know, and there's some Asian lads who do better in school than white boys" so that's it. Peace and harmony for all.

 

This is real playing with fire shit. They're already neck-deep in culture war rhetoric because it's their surest-fire vote winner in the left behind towns and this just feels like another piece of political spin chucked into it - another 'fact' that'll make the "I'm not racist but / these days if you say you're English you get arrested and thrown in jail" crowd nod their heads and agree - "yeah you'd never get away with putting Alf Garnett on the box any more - just goes to show this is a proper tolerant country" - that racism is dead and buried and all of the BLM stuff is just a load of woke lefties who hate Churchill and are bitter about losing the Brexit vote. BLM = Marxism and Marxism = Bad, after all.

 

It's a handy trap for the opposition as well - because now to try and counter on racism they either have to look like they're inventing it, which gives a nice easy out for the government, or try and acknowledge it within the scope of the report, which allows the government to simply reference "how much progress has been made." As always for the fucking Tories, just rig the game.

 

In the meantime I read the other day that uptake of COVID vaccines was 20-30% lower in BAME communities than in white communities - lots of reasons for this, obviously, but one of them is just a total lack of trust of authority figures and you read this and think, yeah I don't fucking blame them. How the fuck do you trust a government that tries to - with a straight fucking face - put a bit of a positive slant on slavery because it introduced some new words into the English language. This is just straight gaslighting - "stop being outraged about stuff - you've got nothing to complain about. I don't see much racism so I dunno how you do."

 

Just yet another fucking chapter in the whole take everything from those who'd never vote for you and give it all to those that always would: just keep ring fencing that base no matter what. Where this ends up though I've no idea, apart from the fact it's going to be pretty fucking ugly.

 

Never mind though. The 2012 Olympics opening ceremony was pretty nice, wasn't it?

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Couple of points;

 

Johnson is widely hated by fellow journalists but strangely popular with the general public. He seems to have a Teflon quality where the sex addiction, political incorrectness and faint hint of scandal surrounding the refurbishment of the flat above number 11 seems to be ignored by the general public. The Press do report on this stuff (there is an article in the Times today re the flat) but nobody cares (they are ahead in the polls). 

Corbyn was also hated by the press but for different reasons. I think there was a constant perception by the lobby press of hypocrisy for both him and Milne, rich boys with massively privileged upbringings but now Marxists. At one point, Milne was actually faking a Palestinian accent which didn’t go down well in the Red Lion. The twisting and squirming and desperate semantics re the drip drip of anti Semitic associations just added to this perception of hypocrisy. 
 

So I think the answer to your question is that the press report on both but the public don’t care about Johnson becuase they like him but they hated Corbyn. 
 

 

 

 

 

So to sum up - The media make people like Johnson but hate Corbyn despite the fact that Corbyn is 1 million times the human being that cunt will ever be? 

[Pidge]

1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Yeah, well some of it, but I’ll have to at some  point read the whole thing.

 

Grim all round, reads like it was written to deliberately deceive, either that or written by amateurs who haven’t conducted research before, which we know they have...

 

Anyway here’s a report of how they tried to subvert the publication and mask the inherent contradictions in it.
 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/31/brazen-government-media-strategy-muddies-detail-race-report

 

I genuinely hate them.

Yep, pretty much. The exec summaries, conclusions and obviously the press release clearly been stage managed quite carefully. 

 

"There is no evidence of institutional racism"

"Here are our recommendations to make the police more inclusive"

 

Hmm...

 

Find the issue with "BAME" weird as I don't think anyone uses the term in the way they suggest. Every team I have worked with regarding BAME issues actively seek to stratify the needs of different communities within that group (and often include consideration of white groups as well). Using indices of deprivation as a proxy is pretty standard as well to identify areas of need.

 

Working through it as a statement on health inequalities direct from the govt is pretty relevant to my role. Should at least be a useful list of alt sources as well as a general steer on the govt view.

 

Will have a read of that article later.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Pidge said:

So, everyone had a look through the report, yeah?

I've been through the section on "Fairness At Work". There's no mention at all of workers having the right to represent and defend themselves or the role that unions can play in promoting racial equality. Zip. Nada. Zilch. Fuck all squared. They treat the U word as more taboo than the N word.

 

Tories gotta Tory.

[Gnasher]

10 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The same Johnson who is one-eighth Jewish?

I'd guess Johnson is one-eighth a lot of things.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

52 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Johnson is widely hated by fellow journalists 

Journalists who know Johnson personally might think he's a cunt, but the editors know he's box-office and the tax-dodging billionaire owners know that he is always on their side; that's why he always gets an easy ride.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

56 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Corbyn was also hated by the press but for different reasons. I think there was a constant perception by the lobby press of hypocrisy for both him and Milne, rich boys with massively privileged upbringings but now Marxists.

Where is the hypocrisy in that?  I don't know (or care) about Milne, but Corbyn's stance on his background has always been "I benefited from a decent upbringing and I think all children deserve the same sort of chance". Worra cunt!

 

(Also, Corbyn's background was comfortable, arguably idyllic, but it's a huge stretch to say he was a "rich boy with a massively privileged upbringing", especially in comparison to other MPs.)

 

Corbyn was hated by the press, because the press is owned by tax-dodging billionaires.  He spoke in terms of a huge and fundamental transfer of money and power from the tiny super-rich minority to everyone else: they were never going to allow that to pass unchallenged.

[Bjornebye]

SD and Kurtz having a mare as usual. 

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Journalists who know Johnson personally might think he's a cunt, but the editors know he's box-office and the tax-dodging billionaire owners know that he is always on their side; that's why he always gets an easy ride.

It's a pattern. Do something in public that catches people's attention and then let something else slip out that no-one notices. Cummings/Tory politics. Remember when he appeared in public calling for an urgent investigation into Covid-19? A few days later it is revealed that Barnard Castle is where 60 million doses of a new vaccine are being stored.

[Kepler-186]

From today’s Politico email, which a poster on here put me on to.

 

Minority report: Whitehall sources told Playbook last night that there was friction between Sewell — who has long held the view Britain is not structurally racist — and the other contributors, who are credited with producing some of the report’s more nuanced data and recommendations. Some in Whitehall believe there are essentially two camps in the government when it comes to race: those who want to engage in a culture war with the left, young people and activists like the Black Lives Matter movement, and those who want to reach out to minorities and work with them to develop policies.

 

 

Edited April 1, 2021 by Kepler-186
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