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Faith and Religion


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4 minutes ago, KMD7 said:

The terrible thing is that no one is surprised anymore.  #defundthechurch 

 

This gets less airtime than a policeman murdering a woman. Why’s that?  

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2 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

So a guy whose entire career involves selling bullshit to morons has turned out to be a man of dubious moral character, imagine that.

Fairy tales protect nonces.  Maybe I could get it on a t-shirt.  There seems to no appetite for a public inquiry into the various documented instances of institutionally approved child molestation.  Instead they get a tax break.  Anyone looking for a conspiracy theory should maybe move away from the 5G nanotechnology and look at this. 

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1 hour ago, Rico1304 said:

Fairy tales protect nonces.  Maybe I could get it on a t-shirt.  There seems to no appetite for a public inquiry into the various documented instances of institutionally approved child molestation.  Instead they get a tax break.  Anyone looking for a conspiracy theory should maybe move away from the 5G nanotechnology and look at this. 

 

It's incredible. The only industry, bar none, that is allowed to make baseless claims, and to top it all they don't need to pay tax. Fucking snake oil merchants. This should be the century we finally leave this nonsense behind as a species.

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So I’m in the doghouse.

 

My mum was looking for mass intention forms for The Cenacle convent in Liverpool and couldn’t find them.

 

I ask why she wants them.


The answer is to send off for an intention prayer to be said for my nan and grandad. This being done every Christmas.

 

I point out they’ve been dead approximately 20 years and what possible intentions could you have for them.

 

The answer is, apparently, for God to look after them in Heaven.

 

I point out that if they’ve made it to Heaven, God is already looking after them, and he isn’t going to stop looking after them or evict them if you don’t get a prayer said every Christmas. 
 

Queue tears and attempted emotional blackmail.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59501368

 

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Pakistan: Killing of Sri Lankan accused of blasphemy sparks protests

A brutal mob killing of a Sri Lankan man accused of blasphemy in Pakistan has sparked protests in both countries, with Pakistan's leader condemning the vigilante violence.

Priyantha Diyawadanage, 48, a factory manager in the city of Sialkot, was beaten to death on Friday and his body set alight.

More than 100 people have been arrested so far, said Pakistan PM Imran Khan.

He has described the incident as a "day of shame" for his country.

The victim's family in Sri Lanka have told the BBC they are in despair.

His wife, Nilushi Dissanayaka, called on both Pakistan and Sri Lanka's governments to conduct a full investigation to "bring justice to my husband and my two children".

"I saw that he was being attacked on the internet... it was so inhumane," she said.

Videos of the lynching proliferated across social media over the weekend, and showed scenes of the incensed crowd dragging Mr Diyawadanage from his workplace and beating him to death.

They then burnt his body, and several people in the crowd were seen taking selfies with his corpse.

What led to the mob violence?

The violence had begun after rumours spread that Mr Diyawadanage had allegedly committed a blasphemous action, in tearing down posters with the name of the Prophet Muhammad, local police chiefs said.

But a colleague, who rushed to the site in a bid to save him, told the Associated Press of Pakistan that Mr Diyawadanage had only removed the posters as the building was about to be cleaned.

His wife has also refuted the blasphemy claim.

"I totally reject reports that said my husband tore down posters in the factory. He was an innocent man," she told the BBC.

"He was very much aware of the living conditions in Pakistan. It is a Muslim country. He knew what he should not do there and that's how he managed to work there for eleven years."

The scale of the vicious killing on Friday - involving hundreds of people - has shocked the nation and sparked vigils.

Prime Minister Imran Khan condemned the "horrific vigilante attack" and vowed that "all those responsible will be punished with the full severity of the law".

Blasphemy is defined as speaking insultingly about a particular religion or god. In Pakistan, it can carry a potential death sentence for anyone who insults Islam.

The country's blasphemy law prohibits disturbing a religious assembly, trespassing on burial grounds, insulting religious beliefs or intentionally destroying or defiling a place or an object of worship.

Making derogatory remarks against Islamic personages is an offence - and in 1982, a clause prescribing life imprisonment for "wilful" desecration of the Koran, the Muslim holy book, was added.

In 1986, a separate clause was inserted to punish blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad and the penalty recommended was "death, or imprisonment for life".

In Pakistan, even unfounded accusations can incite protests and mob violence against alleged perpetrators. Human rights critics have long argued that minorities are often the target of accusations.

He said he had also spoken with Sri Lankan president Gotabaya Rajapaksa "to convey our nation's anger and shame to the people of Sri Lanka."

Sri Lankan authorities have yet to comment fully on the case, fearing potential unrest and retribution against Muslim communities locally.

Mr Diyawadanage's body is due to be returned to Sri Lanka on Monday, and some expect protests to be held in the capital Colombo.

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On 04/12/2021 at 11:38, Anubis said:

So I’m in the doghouse.

 

My mum was looking for mass intention forms for The Cenacle convent in Liverpool and couldn’t find them.

 

I ask why she wants them.


The answer is to send off for an intention prayer to be said for my nan and grandad. This being done every Christmas.

 

I point out they’ve been dead approximately 20 years and what possible intentions could you have for them.

 

The answer is, apparently, for God to look after them in Heaven.

 

I point out that if they’ve made it to Heaven, God is already looking after them, and he isn’t going to stop looking after them or evict them if you don’t get a prayer said every Christmas. 
 

Queue tears and attempted emotional blackmail.

The whole concept of prayer is one of the things that got me drifting away from my Catholic upbringing. If God is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving (and if he isn't, he's not worth worshipping) why would he do stuff that you ask for, instead of just doing what's best anyway.

Even weirder is the Catholic tradition of intercession of the saints: why would you need to ask someone else to pass a message on to an omniscient God?

Then there's the thing about pilgrimages to"holy sites". If God is omnipresent (and, again, if he's not, fuck him) then every square inch of the Universe is as holy as every other square inch.

 

I concluded that so much of the religion I'd been brought up with was just man-made tradition bolted on to stuff, that when I stripped all that rubbish back, I couldn't find anything that I could have faith in.

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46 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

The whole concept of prayer is one of the things that got me drifting away from my Catholic upbringing. If God is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-loving (and if he isn't, he's not worth worshipping) why would he do stuff that you ask for, instead of just doing what's best anyway.

Even weirder is the Catholic tradition of intercession of the saints: why would you need to ask someone else to pass a message on to an omniscient God?

Then there's the thing about pilgrimages to"holy sites". If God is omnipresent (and, again, if he's not, fuck him) then every square inch of the Universe is as holy as every other square inch.

 

I concluded that so much of the religion I'd been brought up with was just man-made tradition bolted on to stuff, that when I stripped all that rubbish back, I couldn't find anything that I could have faith in.

You should apply this outlook to... other things.

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It's funny, I went to a Christian school and they used to ban books (it was Enid Blyton back then, now they don't mind her but they don't like Harry Potter), but they used to have missionaries come in to do assembly and talk about how they'd been smuggling bibles into the USSR, without a hint of irony. 

 

Anything they didn't like was 'evil' too. Martial arts were evil, Buddhism was evil, Islam was evil, different branches of Christianity was evil (though which ones weren't and were evil depended on who was in charge of the school/church). Good times indeed. 

 

You've got to admire humanity. Given a saviour (whether you believe he was a prophet, philosopher, son of god or just the world's first socialist) who basically preaches that it's all about you and god and not coveting money, power or other shit, what do we do? We turn it into a racket. We place ourselves (priests and the likes) between you and said god, and say that only by doing exactly what I say will you be allowed to go to heaven. 

 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It's funny, I went to a Christian school and they used to ban books (it was Enid Blyton back then, now they don't mind her but they don't like Harry Potter), but they used to have missionaries come in to do assembly and talk about how they'd been smuggling bibles into the USSR, without a hint of irony. 

 

Anything they didn't like was 'evil' too. Martial arts were evil, Buddhism was evil, Islam was evil, different branches of Christianity was evil (though which ones weren't and were evil depended on who was in charge of the school/church). Good times indeed. 

 

You've got to admire humanity. Given a saviour (whether you believe he was a prophet, philosopher, son of god or just the world's first socialist) who basically preaches that it's all about you and god and not coveting money, power or other shit, what do we do? We turn it into a racket. We place ourselves (priests and the likes) between you and said god, and say that only by doing exactly what I say will you be allowed to go to heaven. 

 

 

 

Well put. Always makes me laugh when my arl fella tells me about when he was a kid, they didn't have a pot to piss in but you'd still get the priests knocking on the door looking for donations for the church. A church which usually had more antiques and gold in it than your average pawn shop!

 

Bastards.

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37 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It's funny, I went to a Christian school and they used to ban books (it was Enid Blyton back then, now they don't mind her but they don't like Harry Potter), but they used to have missionaries come in to do assembly and talk about how they'd been smuggling bibles into the USSR, without a hint of irony.

 

The Entertainer is the biggest toy store in the UK, they're owned by religious zealots and won't sell any Harry Potter toys because of the "occult" connotations of magic and witchcraft. It certainly is ironic, because what the hell is walking on water and raising people from the dead, if not magic and witchcraft?

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1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The Entertainer is the biggest toy store in the UK, they're owned by religious zealots and won't sell any Harry Potter toys because of the "occult" connotations of magic and witchcraft. It certainly is ironic, because what the hell is walking on water and raising people from the dead, if not magic and witchcraft?

Well I never knew that, you live and learn.

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