Faith and Religion

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, skaro said:

 

Yeah, analogies and comparisons probably weren't the way to go.

In fact, reading that piece, he might have been better off saying nowt. 

"We're a traditional community" could have come out of the mouth of Mary Whitehouse.

 

Well, yeah, complaining that a school programme called "No Outsiders" is victimising you as an outsider, is never going to seem the mostly logically compelling argument either.

 

[Numero Veinticinco]

Man with different opinion on something speaks out. Read all about it. 

 

 

[Rico1304]

The nutcase Christians have come out in support now.  

[Rico1304]

Maybe ‘come out’ was the wrong phrase to use. 

[Creator Supreme]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is no place for religion in education except as part of the humanities! If you want your children to have religion in their upbringing, take them to church/ mosque / synagogue / temple etc!

[Jose Jones]

1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Man with different opinion on something speaks out. Read all about it. 

 

 

Bit more to it than that eh? They did actually get the school to change their program.

Plus leads into a larger discussion about religious or cultural interference in schools. Could other curriculum topics get changed due to parent pressure?  What if it was like the US where they get forced to teach creationism?

 

And the idea that religions could be accused of hate speech, if they are preaching that homosexuality is abnormal, etc? Are they allowed to do it in the temple/mosque/church? What about in a faith school?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Somewhere in the bowels of Hell Margaret fucking Thatcher is smiling at this.

[Numero Veinticinco]

45 minutes ago, Jose Jones said:

Bit more to it than that eh? They did actually get the school to change their program.

Plus leads into a larger discussion about religious or cultural interference in schools. Could other curriculum topics get changed due to parent pressure?  What if it was like the US where they get forced to teach creationism?

 

And the idea that religions could be accused of hate speech, if they are preaching that homosexuality is abnormal, etc? Are they allowed to do it in the temple/mosque/church? What about in a faith school?

A few things in there. The report was a guy giving his view, which is what lead to my comment. The wider issue of School programs changing is important, but as far as I know this isn't part of the national curriculum anyway, and it has been paused rather than cancelled. If they manage to get it banned nation-wide, which they won't, then it'd be an issue. To me, it's very little different than school mums putting pressure on a school not to serve chicken drummers in the cafeteria. I'd have just told them to all fuck off. Open an academy, you cunts.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Creator Supreme said:

I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is no place for religion in education except as part of the humanities!

Yeah, I think religion should be taught as something similar to history, and I think it should be entirely elective. Not from the parents but from the student. Obviously, if you chose not to you have another lesson, not a free period because no cunt would bother. 

[Strontium]

It is serious, because when LGBT children are four times more likely to commit suicide or self-harm, often because of an upbringing that instills hostility to gay people, then anything which helps them to understand they're perfectly good and normal for feeling that way is completely needed.

[Rico1304]

Well, this couldn’t be clearer could it? 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

10 hours ago, Jose Jones said:

Bit more to it than that eh? They did actually get the school to change their program.

Plus leads into a larger discussion about religious or cultural interference in schools. Could other curriculum topics get changed due to parent pressure?  What if it was like the US where they get forced to teach creationism?

 

And the idea that religions could be accused of hate speech, if they are preaching that homosexuality is abnormal, etc? Are they allowed to do it in the temple/mosque/church? What about in a faith school?

 

Creationism is taught in the UK already in all schools that do RE. It’s part of the curriculum.

[Bruce Spanner]

9 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, I think religion should be taught as something similar to history, and I think it should be entirely elective. Not from the parents but from the student. Obviously, if you chose not to you have another lesson, not a free period because no cunt would bother. 

 

It already is elective.

 

The parents are required by law to provided an alternative provision, so very, very few actually follow this up.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Creationism is taught in the UK already in all schools that do RE. It’s part of the curriculum.

Is that true, though?

 

I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools and I'm pretty sure that stories from Genesis were taught as just that; stories. Then we had science lessons teaching what really happened.  There was never the slightest confusion between the two.

 

I'd be very surprised if RE and Science weren't still, generally, taught in the same way.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Is that true, though?

 

I went to Catholic primary and secondary schools and I'm pretty sure that stories from Genesis were taught as just that; stories. Then we had science lessons teaching what really happened.  There was never the slightest confusion between the two.

 

I'd be very surprised if RE and Science weren't still, generally, taught in the same way.

 

You now couple creationism and Evolutionary Theory in Religious Education, usually at Y9 and then as part of the GCSE specification. It’s a lesson at most and I’ve never know it to be taught or treated seriously, but it’s in there, sadly.

[Numero Veinticinco]

57 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

It already is elective.

 

The parents are required by law to provided an alternative provision, so very, very few actually follow this up.

That's interesting. Thanks. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

Well, this couldn’t be clearer could it? 

 

 

I only lasted about 30 seconds of that.

 

That Section 28 language boils my piss.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

You now couple creationism and Evolutionary Theory in Religious Education, usually at Y9 and then as part of the GCSE specification. It’s a lesson at most and I’ve never know it to be taught or treated seriously, but it’s in there, sadly.

That's fucking insane.

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

22 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's fucking insane.

 

 

 

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, or some other pithy monsense... 

[Bruce Spanner]

43 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

That's fucking insane.

 

 

 

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results, or some other pithy nonsense... 

[Evelyn Tentions]

We demand the right for our children to be as bigoted and ignorant as we are.

 

Twats.

[Rico1304]

He’s back!

 

 

[Captain Turdseye]

My five year old came home from school all excited for Easter because Jesus was coming back to life. Had to put her straight. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

I'd be willing to crucify him for his shirts alone.

 

If Jesus comes back, he'll dress like an old Italian gent, not some nonce who's been covered in superglue and kicked through Primark.

[s(k)aturation]

Never heard of the cunt.