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Really like Chris Pajak. Love his work on Redmen and he speaks with an eloquence and passion that is very relatable and engaging. 

On 13/07/2019 at 06:50, dylstar said:

Worth a watch this 

 

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1 hour ago, moof said:

Really like Chris Pajak. Love his work on Redmen and he speaks with an eloquence and passion that is very relatable and engaging. 

 

My hot take.  Really can't stand Pajak on Redmen (or the others on there either), but this was excellent.

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1 hour ago, Red_or_Dead said:

My hot take.  Really can't stand Pajak on Redmen (or the others on there either), but this was excellent.

He’s the only one I can stomach, tbh! 

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16 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49760230

 

Peter Beardsley: Former Newcastle United coach suspended from football

 

Former Newcastle United forward Peter Beardsley has been suspended from all football-related activity for 32 weeks for making racist comments to players.

Ex-England man Beardsley called one black player "a monkey" while Newcastle's Under-23s coach and joked about climbing trees, an independent Football Association panel said.

It added his remarks "were obviously racist and wholly unacceptable".

Beardsley said he was "surprised and disappointed" by the panel's findings.

He was charged by the Football Association with three counts of using racist language to players in March and had "categorically denied" the claims.

He left Newcastle after a 14-month club investigation earlier this year.

The FA panel said in its written reasons: "Even if he did not intend to do so, he plainly did cause offence."

Beardsley, who was capped 59 times by England, has been ordered to complete a face-to-face education course.

However, the panel said it did not believe Beardsley was racist. "We are satisfied that Mr Beardsley is not a racist in the sense of being ill-disposed to persons on grounds of their race or ethnicity," it said.

"He is now 58 years of age. It is also relevant that he has not had the benefit of training and education about offensive racist remarks and the importance of not making them."

One of the witnesses to the "monkey" comment" said: "I don't think Peter meant it as racist, but it came out looking bad as he is a black player."

The panel did, though, say it had "serious reservations about Mr Beardsley's credibility".

One of the aggravating factors in deciding its punishment was that Beardsley had contended that "three of the black players had made up the allegations motivated by financial greed, for which he did not have a shred of evidence".

As a player, Newcastle-born Beardsley enjoyed two spells at his hometown club, making more than 300 appearances, and also played for Liverpool, Everton, Manchester City, Fulham, Bolton, Hartlepool, Doncaster, Carlisle and Vancouver Whitecaps.

What were the charges against Beardsley?

All three charges were proven by the panel, which found:

  • Beardsley said: "You should be used to that" to one or more black players of African origin at a team-building event at Go Ape
  • He questioned the legitimacy of the age of black players - "a negative stereotype that players of black African origin commit fraud as to their true age", the FA panel said, and
  • He called a player of black African origin a monkey during a game of head tennis.

Beardsley questions findings and vows to return

A statement from Beardsley's solicitors released shortly after the verdict was made public said: "Peter Beardsley is very surprised and disappointed by the decision of the Regulatory Commission.

"It was almost impossible for Peter to clear his name because of the serious flaws and contamination of evidence that occurred in the disciplinary process before Newcastle United and by the unusual fact that the FA Rules put the burden of proof on him to prove his innocence in the proceedings.

"After a long process which has been unnecessarily protracted, Peter feels vindicated that the Commission has expressly found that he is not a racist."

It added he had been "inundated with support" from "fellow professionals of the highest repute including John Barnes, Kevin Keegan, Les Ferdinand and Andrew Cole, as well as other football professionals including managers, coaches, players, and football fans, all of which provided unchallenged evidence to the Commission as to Peter's good character, the fact that he is not a racist and whatever was said, there was no intent to cause offence".

 

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I'm struggling to see why the F.A think he's not a racist when they have found him guilty of making the racist comments he made. They'll never stamp racism out of the game with that attitude. 

I'd like to hear Beardsley's side of it because those comments are 'hook,line and sinker' for being a racist.

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2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I'd like to hear Beardsley's side of it because those comments are 'hook,line and sinker' for being a racist.

 

A lot of people think they aren't racist because they merely dress racist comments up in humour and a bit of banter. 

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22 hours ago, Red_or_Dead said:

My hot take.  Really can't stand Pajak on Redmen (or the others on there either), but this was excellent.

In typical Redmen fashion... If racism was a crisp what flavour would it be, if Raheem Sterling was a planet which planet would he be.

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11 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/49613514

 

Getting racially bullied at soccer camps is just fucking wrong. But the problem is with society as a whole, football just seems to be highlighted as it's such a massive part of our daily lives. 

John Barnes and a few others make this obvious point but it seems to get lost with the media in particular. People seemingly astonished about the recent episodes of monkey chants at Cagliari presumably have no awareness that until recently Italy had a deputy pm who advocated sinking immigrant boats , but football is held up as the catalyst.

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On 21/09/2019 at 08:57, amli said:

If Uranus was a super hero which super hero would it be?

Ring man ? Balloon knot man ? Rusty starfish man ? so many to choose from. Hooper man?

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5 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Anyone know what songs Villa fans were singing about their own players?

I've watched the video, it needs subtitles really but I think this is what they were singing

 

Marvelous Nakamba

His dad is a rasta

McGinn is his master

His cock is massive

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