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3 hours ago, Grinch said:

 

A spurs fan being racist against Muslims, no surprise there. 


Now that's a proper contribution to a racism in football thread.

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On 04/12/2011 at 19:22, TheHowieLama said:

A bunch of ultras throwing a banana is not racism. John Terry saying any word he wants is not racism

Oh dear.  Ultras throwing a banana and JT dropping the N-bomb not racist.

 

This explains SO much.

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15 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Oh dear.  Ultras throwing a banana and JT dropping the N-bomb not racist.

 

This explains SO much.

He's backing up Brendan Judge in the full post. Outrageous. 

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27 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Oh dear.  Ultras throwing a banana and JT dropping the N-bomb not racist.

 

This explains SO much.

Can we see the context? Surely he was being sarcastic. 

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On 04/12/2011 at 19:22, TheHowieLama said:

 

I read the survey and am interested why any academic would do this.

 

As SL pointed out there is hatred and bigotry throughout society and none of the questions has anything to do with racism. They are all about the former.

 

A bunch of ultras throwing a banana is not racism. John Terry saying any word he wants is not racism - it is hatred. Neither are institutional systems that are preventing equal rights in any way - just examples of bigots and or supremecists.

In fact, Atletico Bilbao is a better example of racism.

 

Is this survey funded throught the University?

 

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1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

Can we see the context? Surely he was being sarcastic. 

Doesn't look like sarcasm to me.  Just someone who thinks he knows everything and gets to decide how racism is defined, and is cool with Ultras throwing bananas and JT casually throwing the N word around at black players.  

 

Ah well. 

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4 minutes ago, TK421 said:

Doesn't look like sarcasm to me.  Just someone who thinks he knows everything and gets to decide how racism is defined, and is cool with Ultras throwing bananas and JT casually throwing the N word around at black players.  

 

Ah well. 

So no context? Just surprised he would post that in seriousness. Never thought of him like that. 

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1 minute ago, Bjornebye said:

So no context? Just surprised he would post that in seriousness. Never thought of him like that. 

It's on the first page of the thread.  It's literally one of the first responses to the OP, there is no context other than what he wrote.

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What a sad state TK is in today, imagine being a grown man spending 18 hours of a Friday the way he just has, really really disturbing, from a mental health aspect, something is quite wrong with Marvin -- of course there is a context, read the survey (wait, you can't, the link went dead about 24 hours after it was posted) and the response -- what we can be sure of is Marvin did not read the survey so = again has no idea what he is blubbering about. 

 

Tonight on Marvins Monthly Meltdown we have....him trying way too hard. And still struggling.

 

Less Lolzing Marv, less lolzing and more doing.

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Oh look, it's TLW's top racist apologist. Go and join the Ultras and chuck some bananas, you fucking clown. 

 

Really, it's no wonder Trump is in power with cunts like you voting in marginal swing states. 

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16 minutes ago, dylstar said:

Worth a watch this 

 

Thanks for sharing. Pretty sad when you see a 4/5 year old lad swearing and shouting racist abuse because he's being encouraged to do so by adults. Far too many people are openly racist these days because of the way the media and certain people in power act. They just think they can get away with it, or wear it like a badge of honour. It's like being transported back to the 60's and 70's.  

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1 hour ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Thanks for sharing. Pretty sad when you see a 4/5 year old lad swearing and shouting racist abuse because he's being encouraged to do so by adults. Far too many people are openly racist these days because of the way the media and certain people in power act. They just think they can get away with it, or wear it like a badge of honour. It's like being transported back to the 60's and 70's.  

Completely agree. You could argue that our attitudes have also been transported back about a century due to the same influences you mentioned.

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/49760230

 

Peter Beardsley: Former Newcastle United coach suspended from football

 

Former Newcastle United forward Peter Beardsley has been suspended from all football-related activity for 32 weeks for making racist comments to players.

Ex-England man Beardsley called one black player "a monkey" while Newcastle's Under-23s coach and joked about climbing trees, an independent Football Association panel said.

It added his remarks "were obviously racist and wholly unacceptable".

Beardsley said he was "surprised and disappointed" by the panel's findings.

He was charged by the Football Association with three counts of using racist language to players in March and had "categorically denied" the claims.

He left Newcastle after a 14-month club investigation earlier this year.

The FA panel said in its written reasons: "Even if he did not intend to do so, he plainly did cause offence."

Beardsley, who was capped 59 times by England, has been ordered to complete a face-to-face education course.

However, the panel said it did not believe Beardsley was racist. "We are satisfied that Mr Beardsley is not a racist in the sense of being ill-disposed to persons on grounds of their race or ethnicity," it said.

"He is now 58 years of age. It is also relevant that he has not had the benefit of training and education about offensive racist remarks and the importance of not making them."

One of the witnesses to the "monkey" comment" said: "I don't think Peter meant it as racist, but it came out looking bad as he is a black player."

The panel did, though, say it had "serious reservations about Mr Beardsley's credibility".

One of the aggravating factors in deciding its punishment was that Beardsley had contended that "three of the black players had made up the allegations motivated by financial greed, for which he did not have a shred of evidence".

As a player, Newcastle-born Beardsley enjoyed two spells at his hometown club, making more than 300 appearances, and also played for Liverpool, Everton, Manchester City, Fulham, Bolton, Hartlepool, Doncaster, Carlisle and Vancouver Whitecaps.

What were the charges against Beardsley?

All three charges were proven by the panel, which found:

  • Beardsley said: "You should be used to that" to one or more black players of African origin at a team-building event at Go Ape
  • He questioned the legitimacy of the age of black players - "a negative stereotype that players of black African origin commit fraud as to their true age", the FA panel said, and
  • He called a player of black African origin a monkey during a game of head tennis.

Beardsley questions findings and vows to return

A statement from Beardsley's solicitors released shortly after the verdict was made public said: "Peter Beardsley is very surprised and disappointed by the decision of the Regulatory Commission.

"It was almost impossible for Peter to clear his name because of the serious flaws and contamination of evidence that occurred in the disciplinary process before Newcastle United and by the unusual fact that the FA Rules put the burden of proof on him to prove his innocence in the proceedings.

"After a long process which has been unnecessarily protracted, Peter feels vindicated that the Commission has expressly found that he is not a racist."

It added he had been "inundated with support" from "fellow professionals of the highest repute including John Barnes, Kevin Keegan, Les Ferdinand and Andrew Cole, as well as other football professionals including managers, coaches, players, and football fans, all of which provided unchallenged evidence to the Commission as to Peter's good character, the fact that he is not a racist and whatever was said, there was no intent to cause offence".

 

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I'm struggling to see why the F.A think he's not a racist when they have found him guilty of making the racist comments he made. They'll never stamp racism out of the game with that attitude. 

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