Unesco set to Strip Liverpool of it's World Heritage Status

[sir roger]

I'm blaming Dion Dublin

[Kepler-186]

42 years of Thatcherism: shiny flats that won’t last 20 years sold to you by Gary fucking Neville but old, solid terraces built to last for a quid. 

 

Crime and destitution next to Metro City. 
 

Once that bloody stadium

is built, if ever, it’ll employ 1000 tops, most on low wages. No transport there to speak off. 
 

Peel have sat on that land, avoided tax, just like all the ships that use the Mersey are on flags of convenience with sailors earning a pittance to bring in cheap, plastic shite. 
 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

10 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I'm blaming Dion Dublin

Why when you can blame Kirsty Allsopp for everything? 

 

 

 

 

And I mean everything. Do you know where she was when the Piper Alpha went up? Exactly. 

[Bruce Spanner]

Liverpool average a 12% increase last year on property, minus what you pay on the mortgage, or flat payment. Minus expenses you're still rocking about an 8/10% yield on these based on investment.

 

A ten year mortgage on that, if you are financing, means a huge yield if prices continue in the same vein.

 

If you have residents you take rent, but you pay out in maintenance, it's a game of avarages on return

 

A piggy bank for the rich nothing more.

[Chr15]

On 22/06/2021 at 07:50, Section_31 said:

It's the buildings that serve no purpose which annoy me, it's criminal that so many people have been complicit in ruining the look of the place, tacitly or otherwise.

 

A wacky museum I can live with, what I can't are endless, and I mean endless rows of high rise, fuck ugly, empty studio apartments which, despite having been empty since they were built two, five or even ten years ago, are next to a building site where yet more are being thrown up.

 

I could never stand Manchester for that reason, like a giant Meccano model of a city, gray, soulless, an unholy alliance twixt communist experiment and art student wet dream. 

 

Someone basically scooped up a tenth of it and dropped it in the middle of town. Unlike Manchester though, nobody actually has any money to live there, because its industries basicslly amounts to Primark and the Passport Office.

Well said

[Arniepie]

6 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

From SevenStreets site.

 

UNESCO's Binned Us Off. What Next For Liverpool?

Our World Heritage status has gone, floating out of sight like a chippy wrapper from the Lobster Pot. But it's not about them anymore. It's about us.

SevenStreets

47 min ago1

by David Lloyd

History will not look kindly on former mayor Joe Anderson. The man who had it all to lose. And lost it. The man who presided over a “toxic culture” that wanted development at all costs, and gave us shit cladding and retrospective planning approval that led to tumorous growths on elegant buildings. 

Of course, there are some who’ll say “who needs UNESCO”? Well, maybe some places don’t. Venice doesn’t need UNESCO - I’d say its tourist future is pretty well secured, but it recognises the value of paying things forward. Of development that enhances and preserves, rather than removing and replacing. So when it was threatened with its delisting from UNESCO’s World Heritage list, it set to work, and banned all cruise ships from squeezing through its Grand Canal. It didn’t need to. The tourists would have come either way. 

Us? We green-lighted another “bold and ambitious” residential tower block that’s currently being delisted too, as the property developer fights insolvency claims, and investors struggle to recoup the millions sunk into yet another ailing scheme. We put our trust in shiny new castles in the air, we remove public realm open spaces at the waterfront to make way for new car parking bays for Merseytravel staff, all while pretending to support a greener city (what’s that all about anyway?).

How many tourists will come to see these? How many guide books will rave about the Hilton Liverpool ONE? What happens when we wake up and realise we had something special, and we sold it down the river for a handful of schemes that make us look like Leeds, or Swansea or anywhere?

The stripping of our UNESCO status - blamed on years of development causing an “irreversible loss” of our historic Victorian docks and mercantile heart - was anything but inevitable. New buildings don’t have to be anathema to heritage. This is not about us “preserving in aspic”, as Steve Rotherham suggests. The Copper House for example, newly completed along The Strand, shows how a confident, elegant new arrival can enhance the city’s curb appeal, with its garden courtyard entrance and cool white window reliefs. 

It’s a painful truth - but a history worth remembering - that it was a Tory, Michael Hestletine, who’s done more for our waterfront since Jesse Hartley. The Merseyside Development Committee could have bulldozered the docks and built something akin to the Crowne Plaza hotel, but they didn’t.

Will Everton’s stadium, taking over Bramley Moore Dock, suck the life out of the North Docks area, or give it the vital shot in the arm it needs? 

Well, let’s go and visit Anfield. Stroll along any of the well-worn streets around Oakfield Road and let’s talk about regeneration, or of how a super-stadium seeds life in its community. Rafa was wrong to call the Blues a “small club”, yet there’s no doubt Anfield will continue to be the real tourist Mecca. But how many of the thousands of fans shuttled in and out spend any money in Booze and News? 

Not a fair comparison? Anfield not very touristy? Not very well connected to the city? It’s the same distance from the Pier Head as Bramley Moore Dock is, the new home of Everton. So why not? It could be. Instead, we tin-up the terraced streets and let the bins go uncollected.

Look at the London Stadium, aka West Ham’s home ground, in East London. Hermetically sealed, like an implanted cell, sucking life out of its host, giving nothing back. A monument to social cleansing. All compulsory purchase orders and displaced housing. 

Close your eyes and imagine the vendors bidding for business around the new Everton stadium. A Costa, perhaps? A cheeky Nandos and a KFC drive-through, perchance?

Go take a look at what’s happening there now, or at least within its orbit. The Ten Streets area is bubbling up with incredible energy. Enjoy a zingy espresso at Cafe Riccado’s, browse in the market, hear about what creators and inventors are doing at MAKE’s workshops, enjoy jazz and grub at the Social, and feel the sense that something special is happening here. 

The irony is that the Council got behind Ten Streets. But they got behind the Baltic Triangle - another regenerated warehouse area - too. And hands up who thinks that narrative is progressing the way we wanted it to? With venue Constellations dying, giving way to another identikit residential block, and 24 Kitchen Street - probably the city’s most progressive dance music club right now - in a seemingly endless stand-off with looming developments.

The approved Everton stadium

The use of stadiums as regenerative catalysts has been investigated by numerous academic studies. They’ve all found that five, ten or even 20 years on they’ve contributed little or no economic uplift for their local areas. Clubs will argue the opposite, of course. Everton-supporting ex-Mayors too. But it’s the clubs that reallybenefit. In the ten years since they moved to the Emirates Stadium in 2006, Arsenal’s annual match-day revenue almost tripled, from £33.8m in 2004 to £100.2m in 2014.

One thing that’s undeniable though is a super-stadium’s effect on local property and land values. So if driving up land and property prices is called ‘regeneration’, then we’re home and dry. But what will the start ups of Ten Streets think about that?

For us, the idea that inserting a massive stadium into any area in need of regeneration is automatically going to be a salve for all its problems is naïve beyond words. It takes collaboration, creativity, integration and deeply-connected planning to make a place work and bring it to life again. 

So this isn’t really about UNESCO after all. It’s about us. Our future. What is it we’re fighting for, anyway? What are we good at (hint: take a look at Ten Streets)? And how do we - all of us - protect our past while encouraging the new?

Liverpool is an old city. So why have we forgotten the art of playing the long game?

Excellent piece that

And spot on about Anfield adeell

The club dont care about the area ,they care about the  club.

[stringvest]

It’s depressing as fuck, because you just know there’s no-one with the wit or vision to grab hold of the city by the scruff of the neck and pull it out of the mess it’s in. 

[Captain Turdseye]

7 hours ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Somebody should be looking into how these things got planing then funded and why the owners don’t seem to know or care that they are empty. I suspect a combination of corruption, money laundering and maybe some gullible overseas investors being conned by promises of 5% rental yields.
 

Flats are of course a great way to launder money, you invest your cash as equity borrow some debt then claim the money you are making from crime and banking each week is actually rent from your property massive portfolio. As long as you own the flats, it’s hard for the courts to prove they were empty for years unless they put them under 24 hour surveillance which the police aren’t going to bother with. 
 

 Vauxhall in london is the same, 1000s of flats all empty.

 

A concrete shrine to crime and corruption.  

Stories have been knocking about for a couple of years of Chinese investors losing all their money on blocks of apartments in Liverpool that were never completed. 
 

11 hours ago, Preston Red said:

When I come to Liverpool in future (shopping as it's fucking impossible to get tickets for the f***ball) I'll walk round with a sour piss face as I'm not in a world heritage site, what with being an OOT and all.

 

Get yourself a gold membership on here. There’s some good lads on the Member’s Forum that can help with the odd ticket here and there. Might be a bit difficult this year with the auld Covid but your membership also means you get to read Dave’s write-ups and they’re easily worth the money on their own. 50 pence a week. 

[Preston Red]

I could do to stop being a minge bag and get one. So much funny stuff on here and I feel guilty not being able to rep it.

[DalyanPete]

12 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Do you know where she was when the Piper Alpha went up? 

Eating?

[DalyanPete]

7 hours ago, Arniepie said:

Of course, there are some who’ll say “who needs UNESCO”?

According to GOT no-one and I mean no-one in the world knew that Liverpool even had this award.

 

[Anubis]

That Seven Streets piece is excellent.

[Davelfc]

13 hours ago, Kepler-186 said:

42 years of Thatcherism: shiny flats that won’t last 20 years sold to you by Gary fucking Neville but old, solid terraces built to last for a quid. 

 

Crime and destitution next to Metro City. 
 

Once that bloody stadium

is built, if ever, it’ll employ 1000 tops, most on low wages. No transport there to speak off. 
 

Peel have sat on that land, avoided tax, just like all the ships that use the Mersey are on flags of convenience with sailors earning a pittance to bring in cheap, plastic shite. 
 

 

 

How many does goodison employ now, because those jobs will just move over. Most of the extra jobs will mainly be once a fortnight jobs, unless you add in those famous cup runs they're so well known for. So part time work on low wages. 

 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

11 minutes ago, Poster said:

How many does goodison employ now, because those jobs will just move over. Most of the extra jobs will mainly be once a fortnight jobs, unless you add in those famous cup runs they're so well known for. So part time work on low wages. 

 

 

Isn’t the majority of those extra jobs are for the construction?

[Davelfc]

4 minutes ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Isn’t the majority of those extra jobs are for the construction?

The quote I was commenting to was "Once that bloody stadium is built, it'll employ 1000 tops."

 

 

 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

6 minutes ago, Poster said:

The quote I was commenting to was "Once that bloody stadium is built, it'll employ 1000 tops."

 

 

 

 

Ah, misunderstood.

 

 

[Stickman]

18 minutes ago, Poster said:

The quote I was commenting to was "Once that bloody stadium is built, it'll employ 1000 tops."

 

 

 

 

 

A 1000 jobs….I’ll see that and raise you

 

Peter Guy

@Getintothis

Quick reminder, @Evertonare spending £505m to turn waste ground into a Stadium creating 8,136 jobs. Plus £55m on Grade II listed hydraulic tower, preserve dock walls, maintain water channel and breathe new life into old tramlines - and #UNESCO are AGAINST this idea.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Getintothis/status/1417834185851609093

 

 

 

 

 

[Davelfc]

8 minutes ago, Stickman said:

 

A 1000 jobs….I’ll see that and raise you

 

Peter Guy

@Getintothis

Quick reminder, @Evertonare spending £505m to turn waste ground into a Stadium creating 8,136 jobs. Plus £55m on Grade II listed hydraulic tower, preserve dock walls, maintain water channel and breathe new life into old tramlines - and #UNESCO are AGAINST this idea.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Getintothis/status/1417834185851609093

 

 

 

 

 

I can only repeat, the current jobs at the stadium will move over. Apart from the massive team that work on wood preservative. Nobody has considered these losses along with redundancies at Ronseal. 

 

Most new jobs will be part time jobs for match day staff, I can't say this for sure but it makes sense that logically they might also be employed by us as we never play at home on the same days. 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

9 minutes ago, Stickman said:

 

A 1000 jobs….I’ll see that and raise you

 

Peter Guy

@Getintothis

Quick reminder, @Evertonare spending £505m to turn waste ground into a Stadium creating 8,136 jobs. Plus £55m on Grade II listed hydraulic tower, preserve dock walls, maintain water channel and breathe new life into old tramlines - and #UNESCO are AGAINST this idea.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/Getintothis/status/1417834185851609093

 

 

 

 

 

Known as a bit of a bullshitter and a sex pest is that lad. 

[Paulie Dangerously]

I'm only arsed to wind the blues up

[Gnasher]

Ouch..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/21/liverpool-unesco-world-heritage-status-stripped

[torahboy]

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ouch..

 

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2021/jul/21/liverpool-unesco-world-heritage-status-stripped

Here's a better informed opinion.

 

https://theconversation.com/ive-been-chronicling-liverpools-renaissance-for-40-years-heres-why-the-citys-unesco-status-should-not-have-been-removed-164719

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, torahboy said:

Here's a better informed opinion.

 

https://theconversation.com/ive-been-chronicling-liverpools-renaissance-for-40-years-heres-why-the-citys-unesco-status-should-not-have-been-removed-164719

Yeah good article that, cheers.

[Stickman]

2 hours ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Known as a bit of a bullshitter and a sex pest is that lad. 

Ffs not another one ….

[AngryOfTuebrook]