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'You should have stayed at a big club'


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In what world was Torres only worth 12m?

 

"is' worth not was. He certainly 'was' not worth £50m and he isn't worth £22m now in my opinion. I'm looking back on the deal, logical as it was nearly a year ago.

 

Sulky offered very little at the time he left, that's not to say he might not have offered much more had he played with Suarez, but we will never know what now.

 

We have what we have and we have to get on with it. I think Newcastle really won, or to be exact Mike Ashley really won. We faired better and chelsea, well they really lost.

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Torres at the end of his LFC career was nowhere near the 2007-08 version but he got 2 goals v Wolves, 1 v Blackpool and in his last game v Fulham he had a good goal ruled out for offside. Replays showed that he judged the line perfectly. Since he joined Chelsea he hardly looks like he will get a chance of a shot on goal. If only he had waited until the end of the season and given Kenny a chance!

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"is' worth not was. He certainly 'was' not worth £50m and he isn't worth £22m now in my opinion. I'm looking back on the deal, logical as it was nearly a year ago.

 

Sulky offered very little at the time he left, that's not to say he might not have offered much more had he played with Suarez, but we will never know what now.

 

We have what we have and we have to get on with it. I think Newcastle really won, or to be exact Mike Ashley really won. We faired better and chelsea, well they really lost.

 

Seems a but strange to think like that, Dave. Selling Owen for 8m hasn't become a good deal just because he's worth fuck all now. I think he was worth every penny of 50m a year ago. He was a star of world football.

 

You're right to say that had he stayed, nobody knows how he would have done. It just makes the above line of thinking a bit useless.

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Seems a but strange to think like that, Dave. Selling Owen for 8m hasn't become a good deal just because he's worth fuck all now. I think he was worth every penny of 50m a year ago. He was a star of world football.

 

You're right to say that had he stayed, nobody knows how he would have done. It just makes the above line of thinking a bit useless.

 

Well in fairness £50m end of January and worth what now start of December? Has any players worth dived so much (shut up about Carrol) in so little a time? Of course as a player ages their value can drop, but he is at the peak of his career for his age and he is a joke.

 

The £50m was a ludicrous figure as was £35m for you know who. The way I balance it in my head may seem strange to you but it keeps me sane, that and the fingers in my ears and saying "I'm not listening" over and over again.

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I wonder when this is going to be released in th UK..

 

Torres habla sobre Rafa Benítez | Rafa Benítez Web Oficial

 

Well in the mean time we can have some Babelfish-based fun.

 

Towers speak on Rafa Benítez

 

The express Spanish means player diverse its opinion on the Madrilenian technician17/11/2011 Marca. Esquire

 

The international soccer player praises his sport walking to the orders of Rafa Benítez, del that says he is the best trainer than has had and the unique one who has helped him to improve individually when both agreed in Liverpool FC.

 

P. and of the Apple orchards to the Mersey.

R. “the Liverpool was my great springboard after to have taken

difficult decision to go me of the Atlético.No I could go to a better club, than it finished being the platform burns allowed to present to me the world of the hand of Rafa Benítez, to which I must much ".

 

P. and what technician has made him laugh more?

R. Rafa Benítez. I must much to him, because nobody has known to me to include/understand like him. He is a soccer trainer in capital letters. Their equipment jumps to the turf with a unique slogan: to compete. The sensation that they transmit is that with less estimating they can with greatest.

“Rafa Benítez has been the most important trainer of my race. It was not easy for me to leave the Athletic one, to arrive at England and to find me with a fast, much more dynamic soccer and with greater physical presence than the one of Liga. Rafa has been the unique one that has known to help me to improve individually. Its base is the group, but adapting the conditions of each to the equipment.

There the secret resides. And for it, it maintains a permanent, personal and direct dialogue with each player. It taught many things to me and thanks to him I grew much like professional. Without a doubt ".

 

So there we have it in black and white. Rafa is a soccer trainer in capital letters. Ferdinand Towers says so.

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Cracking piece by Andy Heaton (UEM when he used to post on here), very thought provoking whatever your opinions.

 

El Niño Perdidos

by Andy Heaton // 1 December 2011 // 0 comments

“There’s no present. There’s only the immediate future and the recent past.” — George Carlin

 

TIME, one of life’s only evolving constants, is a funny thing, it will wither you, make you old, it was here before you were born, and it’ll be here long after you’re dead, but never same, constantly changing, this second before and the one second ahead never to be seen again.

 

One of the interesting things about time is how it can change the past, events marked and dates stamped in time forever and ever, and yet, time can alter perceptions of those events, what they meant, how you felt and how you feel, and how the more recent past can shape thoughts on the more distant.

 

I doubt there are many who appreciate this concept more than Fernando Torres, seemingly lost in a fog of regret and bad decisions, a shadow of the player who, for a period, was arguably the most gifted and devastating striker ever to wear the Liverpool No.9 shirt.

 

Torres.gifChelsea? It's like playing in a foreign country

”Here, you don’t have to prove you are a professional, it is assumed.” – Fernando Torres, 11 March, 2011

 

Whilst he would never admit it publicly, it is believed that Torres is ‘deeply unhappy’ at Stamford Bridge, unable to adapt to the cold, unfeeling culture of the club that he initially hailed not long after his arrival, lacking the support network that saw him thrive at Anfield.

There is a tale which illustrates, more than anything, his apparent struggle at Chelsea and the distance and isolation that is strangling a player who was once coveted by every side in Europe, it is one of the Chelsea team at a luggage carousel after a flight from a European game, and the squad being split into three groups, the English lads around Terry and Lampard, a group made up of the rest of the squad around Drogba, and then Torres, with his baggage, waiting for his luggage.

 

Torres was, of course, sold for the not insignificant sum of £50m to Chelsea at the close of the January transfer window, amid accusations, claim and counter claim from both sides over the move and who drove the sale and the reasons behind it.

 

It’s easy to forget the bitterness and fallout amongst the fans in the immediate aftermath of the move, which at the time felt like a dagger being plunged into the back of every Liverpool fan by a player that we’d taken in and made into an icon.

 

We felt insulted, lied to, embarrassed, fooled, but more than anything, angry that Torres, after sticking around through the fallout of Hicks and Gillet, decided, is his apparent haste to join a club that would ‘win trophies’ (That worked out well), to jump ship and not give Kenny Dalglish, a man he could have sat amongst at the table of greatest Liverpool players, a chance to reshape the club under new ownership.

 

Who would have guessed that 10 months on, it is Torres, not Liverpool, who appears to be racked with regret, still struggling to find a path, like the wife who thought the bloke with the nice car down the street could give her a better life, only to find that her name missing from the invites to the big parties, left alone and outside, benched on the expensive passenger seat of the shiny Range Rover of Andre Villas Boas and resigned to the School run of League Cup football.

 

Meanwhile Liverpool moved on and found a found a new star, a brilliant, dedicated and driven brunette with cannibalistic tendencies, who, through no fault of his own, has reduced Torres to almost to nothing more than a footnote in the annals of Liverpool’s history.

 

It was telling that in the #TAW podcasts that bookended the our two visits to Stamford Bridge, the name Fernando Torres was mentioned but fleetingly, and although not deliberate, on reflection, is possibly the most honest, if damning, evaluation of the 27-year-old’s time in SW6.

 

It is a measure of how far Torres’ star has fallen that the player who scored the winning goal in the 2008 European Championships for Spain, their first major trophy in 34 years, is now resigned to the fringes of the national side.

 

As I said, time, a funny thing, and it’s easy to forget just how good ‘our’ Torres was, some of the goals he scored, how there wasn’t a team in Europe not petrified of our Iberian Prancer, and one does wonder how we’d feel had Suarez not massively exceeded expectations whilst Torres floundered so dramatically, drowning under a sea of self doubt and a playing style completely unsuited to his strengths.

 

It’s also worth remembering that the person who ultimately replaced him, wasn’t actually the player we signed to do that job, Suarez, it was said, was signed to augment Torres, not to oust him.

 

So what if we had the chance to rescue El Niño Perdidos?

 

Dalglish has already shown in the past that he’s not averse to rescuing a former player struggling at another club, but it’s a question shrouded in if’s.

 

It’s easy to forget the mutual respect once shared between Torres and Dalglish, most famously displayed in the TV show with Gerry Armstrong and in a photoshoot for The Times.

 

And with the one player in the league who made Torres shine returning to fitness, is the relationship between Liverpool, Dalglish and Torres so broken that a reunion would be out of the question?

 

If Chelsea were willing to cut their losses and sell for £20m, if their was a willing compromise on the behalf of the player to get a deal thrashed out, would it be too much to expect us to forgive, to understand, to start again?

 

And IF Chelsea were willing to deal at around £20m, lets do some leap of faith, ham-fisted accounting acrobatics.

 

Take into account we Torres sold for £50m, and bought Carroll for £35m, you could, if you wanted to, work that out as essentially us sending El Nino on loan for a year, paying no wages and signing Andy Carroll for the princely sum of £5m.

 

So, given this twisted logic, would it be possible to both parties to remember their long term past, forget the short term past and think about the the future just how devastating combining El Nini with El Pistolero could be?

 

Just think about that for a second and embrace a spirit of forgiveness and reconciliation.

After all, it is nearly Christmas.

 

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El Niño Perdidos // The Anfield Wrap

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We should offer Carroll in a swap deal for Torres - assuming Torres is sorry and regrets leaving.

 

Carroll would suit Chelsea's style more, as he is similar to Drogba with his power.

 

Torres suits our style more as we attack quickly on the counter attack and I think he'd thrive with Suarez roaming behind him.

 

That would be a win:win situation for all parties.

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Purely on the Torres and Suarez partnership that never was - I think a fit and motivated Fernando Torres would be dynamite alongside the tricky wriggly slippery eel that is Luis Suarez. How many times does Suarez take on a defender just inside the box and cross it in only to find nobody there to tuck it home. Torres would have got a hatful of goals with Suarez.

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I think there we're more going on behind the scenes at the club than Torres all of a sudden dropping a bomb demanding a transfer.... His intentions had most likely been spoken and negotiations were well underway long before him demanding a transfer. That was most likely the club demanding he put one in because they wanted to have their backs covered when the fans went berserk!

 

He told Gerrard he intended leaving long before it came out. Remember the goal celebration that wasnt? Cant remember who it was against but torres laid on the goal for Gerrard then ignores gerrard and the crowd and instead jogs back to the centre spot.

 

So what if the club made him hand in a transfer request? Yes, they did that to show the fans it was him pushing for the move but also meant the club didnt have to pay the sulk twat any 'loyalty' fee!

 

 

 

 

He had been lied to and promised a world of good by the previous owners,

 

Well he wasnt the only fucker promised the world by the two gets. I seem to remember being promised a shiny new stadium and snoogy doogy (whoever the fuck he was0 by them too.

 

 

and when Reina confirms this I believe him... A lot of people on here praise Reina and hate Torres, but the fact is that Reina almost did the same as Torres, but given that his career is 10 years longer as a goalkeeper he had the luxury of time..... (Also the manager who made him a star was sacked for Roy Fucking Hodgson, I'm actually surprised not more players came forward wanting to leave - although Agger probably came very close judging by his comments at the time)

 

Reina has always given his all for the club. I dont recall him looking half arsed in goal even when he was contemplating leaving. reina gave the new owners and more importantly, the King, the chance to show we are headed in a different direction. Sulk didnt. Sulk has gone to a club that is now arguably in need of a bigger overhaul than ourselves but that is besides the point.

 

The point is sulk didnt give the owners or the King a chance. The King even went out of his way when he came off in the united cup tie of making a show of support for his shite form. And what was sulk's response to the King? Fuck you, that's what. That's why people have no time for him now.

 

[quote[Torres knows he made the wrong choice, and maybe the King see him leaving as a mutiny or an attack on the club, on the other hand perhaps he understands it a little given the shambolic state of the club over the last couple of years, only he knows...

 

We've had players leave us before, for far less reason than Torres (they left for other countries, which makes a hell of a difference I agree) but they're not on the same receiving end as Torres for it....

 

Me too hated Torres to begin with, but after some time I feel more sorry for him, and us, than I feel hate..

 

LFC and Torres were a match meant to be, and with Suarez we would have had the best attack in the world....

 

If I piss on somebody's chips by feeling robbed of this partnership, and deep down hoping it could somehow work out, I don't fucking care :wow:

 

The King is no soft touch. Sulk kissed any chance of ever playing in a Red shirt again goodbye that night.

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Cracking piece by Andy Heaton (UEM when he used to post on here), very thought provoking whatever your opinions.

 

 

 

El Niño Perdidos // The Anfield Wrap

 

That's a great article................until it gets to the 'so what if.......' when it loses its way (a bit like el sulk then! Boom, boom!)

 

People are looking at this through rose tinted specs. They think el sulk will magically re discover his love for Liverpool, his pace and his goalscoring prowes by just simply recanting his desire to play for chelshit and re sign for us.

 

Er, HELLO! It wont. He's a busted flush. He's not only lost his pace, but he's lost his guile. There's no doubt in my mind that Suarez would create shitful of chances for el sulk to strike at goal. But equally, I have no doubt that the striker we once had who would bury 4 out of 5 of those chances is no more and he would either miss them or not get on the end of Suarez's delightful skills.

 

The king is dead! Long live the King (and Suarez!)

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What's really strange, is that i genuinely thought he looked like he was starting to find some form, and was looking something like the player we sold before he got sent off for them. He must be very fragile mentally at this moment in time.

 

I agree.

 

Torres needs to be the number 1, as he was here and at Atletico. If Chelsea fucked Anelka and Drogba off and focused their play around him then I think he'd be great for them. I can't see that happening any time soon. Him being in and out of them team just escalates the problem.

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I havn't seen anything from him for 18 months now to make me think he was on his way to being the player he once was, or was getting back to his best. For how long does a dip in form have to last before people just accept the fact he's just playing at his level?

 

Some players improve and others get worse. Supporters for some reason fail to acknowledge that fact. We don't have to look too far away from home to see the massive improvement Lucas has made in the last 2 years. I think too many people were guilty of failing to accept he had improved and were happy to pigeon hole him as the failure they thought he was going to be when he first arrived. All the great managers can spot when a player is about to decline and are able to push those through they know are ready to do the business. Its spotting these trends which ultimately prove to be the difference between decline and progress.

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