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Evra accuses Suarez of racism


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FA 1 Blatter 0.

 

You can imagine them at FA headquarters chanting Blatter are you watching Blatter are you watching. From the evidence that has been suggested there is never a case for Suarez to be found guilty of deliberately setting out to abuse his opponent.

 

I naively thought the FA would investigate the claim and acknowledge it was a cultural misunderstanding by all parties, instead they have played politics with Suarez reputation to prove a point. As a few have mentioned they have not just demonised Suarez they have done the same to Kenny and our club.

 

I really hope that we pursue all possible channels, not to negotiate for a reduced ban but for it to be quashed anything else is letting Suarez and Kenny down in my view. It doesn’t matter if it was 1, 2 or 4 the same sentiment applies. The FA have really placed Suarez and the club in some bizarre Kafkaesque nightmare.

 

I was worried and mentioned at the time that it wasn’t Suarez on trial but the whole concept of racism. I would take the FA’s approach to this seriously, if they acknowledged they were not equipped to deal with the nuances and draft in a panel of people who have a more rounded view, they decide to use two FOOTBALL PEOPLE and a QC who is on the payroll and expect us to consider they have behaved in a fair manner and that justice has been served. They have their racist poster boy in Suarez, who from their perspective they could not have found an easier villain.

 

Another thing, a lot of the people who I know who are genuinely interested in stamping out discrimination are also vehement in everyone being allowed to be treated fairly and equally by organisations that are in positions of authority. Can you really be against racism and then watch a man in Suarez be vilified and get ripped to bits across the globe on the basis of such a case. I think a lot of people who are coming out and applauding the FA really need to take a long hard look and consider the circumstances and get off their high horses.

 

Unless there is some smoking gun in the details of the hearing it really is an almighty stitch up by the FA. It really does seem highly improbable from the statement the club have released.

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I am also interested how they came to a 8 match ban as the ban for a player spitting on another player is 6 games.

 

So for saying 1 word he has a 8 game ban.

 

I agree that there does seem to be an odd grade of 'offensive things', both in the minds of the FA and among much of the public at large. As much as I abhore racism I don't put using a racist word on the same level as, say, setting out to cause injury to another player, yet the FA treat one example of a racist word being used far more seriously than someone sticking his elbow into another players face. Just look at their moralising over Saurez compared to when they sent lawyers over to Zurich to appeal a proven thug's conviction for kicking another player to the floor. And look at the response among the general public and the media to Rooney's reduction. Relief and praise all round. Bollocks to that.

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A statment which might come back to haunt Ayres and the legal team. JW will be asking why, if Suarez is innocent of the charges brought against him, he was found guilty, and how good a job our side did in putting our case?

 

It might, but i'd think the club has had that statement ready for quite some time, gone over the detalis of this case with a fine tooth comb and had lawyers making sure we/Luis have the legal grounds to take this further and challange it.

 

The FA can basically do whatever the fuck they want since they are operating under their own rules, unless it's a police matter like the Terry situation where they have to wait for a conclusive investigation and following trial.

 

I guess we will appeal, and if we are unhappy with the ouotcome in that i'd also guess Luis/the club have the option to try and take it to court as this is exceptionally defamatory to his name.

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From the mail

 

WHAT HAPPENED AT ANFIELD ON OCTOBER 15?

Manchester United faced Liverpool in a Premier League match. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.

 

A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'

Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'

Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'

 

 

Read more: Gus Poyet supports Luis Suarez again | Mail Online

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As far as cheat goes, he does go down easy at times. but plenty of players do.

 

I dont think he is racist. Lets be honest, in the heat of the moment, we can all say some bad things. One bad word does not make a person racist.

 

I believe they were trying to wind each other up, and from my understanding negrito is a slang word that can be used in a positive and negative light. Since these two guys dont know each other, I doubt it was used in a positve way.

 

The problem Suarez has is that if he admitted using the word negrito. The FA will say ignorance of different culture is not an excuse. And as they want to make a stand against racism. I really think they will not budge.

 

Terry will get similar ban as well. I just dont think its in Liverpools interest to have a full blown war with the FA and that statement will just anger people.

 

Mind you, it's a full blown war with Ginsoak, fought through his allies in the FA..... Tell you what they can all go fuck themselves... And if you think Terry will be banned you're living in coco-land!

 

The mighty FA have decided to let another campaign fall on the shoulder of yet another foreigner, just like the respect campaign before, and thereby proven themselves to be a racist and bigoted organization who is more the problem than the problemsolver! The day they start to go after the British players will be the day they deserve a little respect, but together with the xenophobic journalists in the UK they are more than happy to attack a Johnny foreigner... Can't soil the FA's reputation, or upset Ginsoak!

 

Funny how both the respect campaign and the racist campaign both happened to be applied against Liverpool in a game against Utd.... No corruption or favoritism in the UK - don't make me laugh, the double standards are there for all to see!

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Luis Suárez and Liverpool have limited appeal options to FA and courts | Football | The Guardian

 

Luis Suárez and Liverpool have limited appeal options to FA and courts

 

Liverpool could seek arbitration, or go to the high court or even the European courts – but Luis Suárez may be better advised to try to put the racism furore behind him

 

Luis Suárez has 14 days to consider whether to appeal against his eight-match ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra from the date that Liverpool receive the written reasons of the Football Association's regulatory commission, not from Tuesday, which was the date of the decision. It is important to note that Suárez can only appeal against the level of the sanction not the actual verdict.

 

 

I would expect Liverpool to receive the written reasons quite soon – they are usually provided within three working days of the decision being announced, although the Christmas period may slow this down. Giving two weeks to decide whether to lodge an appeal is unusual. The usual directions for appeals against the decisions of the regulatory commission provide for a much tighter timetable.

 

If Suárez decides not to appeal, the decision will become binding. If he decides to appeal, he must provide written submissions and there will be a hearing, at which he will be represented by lawyers. The appeal board can reduce the sanction, but it can also increase the sanction and its decision is stated to be final and binding. But if it goes against Suárez, he may be inclined to try a further challenge.

 

The additional options he may try to challenge the decision include the following:

 

• He could bring arbitration proceedings under rule K of the FA's rules. Such an arbitration would be limited to a challenge to the validity of the decision on the grounds of ultra vires (including error of law), irrationality or procedural unfairness. An arbitration would likely take place behind closed doors before a three-person tribunal. The process would take months rather than weeks, and it is likely that the suspension and fine would take effect pending the arbitration.

 

• He could attempt to bring judicial review proceedings in the high court, but his chances of getting this type of action off the ground must be considered quite limited. In a challenge to the setting up of the Premier League in 1992, the high court decided that the FA was not subject to judicial review.

 

Regarding how the FA will have prepared for attempts at appeal, the regulatory commission will take great care in the drafting of its written decision. The commission will want to ensure, as far as possible, that the logic and the application of the FA rules are as watertight as possible, giving as little room as they can to routes of appeal.

 

One other option that may be considered relates to the statement released by Liverpool FC. I note it states that "the accusation by this particular player [Evra] was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations". Suárez, therefore, may consider suing Evra for defamation.

 

When decisions such as this come out, teams and players usually make a statement about "going all the way to Europe". Yet such statements rarely, if ever, come to anything. Rights of access to both the European court of human rights and the court of arbitration for sport are strictly limited, and I would find it hard to believe that any such challenge would be made in the first place.

 

It also strikes me that any decision whether to appeal may be used tactically. Suárez has 14 days to either (i) accept the charge, (ii) lodge an appeal or (iii) do nothing. If he admits the charge the penalty will take effect from the date the charge is admitted. Should Suárez appeal, the penalty is suspended until after the outcome of the appeal. Alternatively, Suárez could do nothing and allow the penalty to begin at the expiry of the 14-day deadline. These options will determine which matches Suárez can play in over the coming weeks.

 

A final point: when I advise clients on whether to commence legal action, the legal merits of their case is only one of a number of factors that I take into account. In a case such as this, Suárez and Liverpool should think long and hard about whether they want this case dragged out. A sensible option may be a contrite statement from Suárez making clear that he is not a racist and that he is gravely sorry for any offence he has caused and that, notwithstanding that he does not agree with the decision, he wants to put the whole episode behind him. The risk for Suárez of taking this further is that he goes down in history as the case that got to grips with racism in high-level football.

 

Steven Friel is a lawyer for Brown Rudnick who specialises in complex disputes

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From the mail

 

WHAT HAPPENED AT ANFIELD ON OCTOBER 15?

Manchester United faced Liverpool in a Premier League match. In the 57th minute Suarez fouled Evra and tempers flared at the next corner. They squared up to each other and Evra asked why Suarez kicked him. Suarez said he should forget about it, these things happen. Evra claims Suarez then became racially abusive, using the word 'negro'. Suarez denies using the word in that clash. Evra is clearly wound up, but nearby players do not seem particularly bothered.

 

A few minutes later Marriner calls the pair together. Suarez apologises and tries to pat Evra on the head. It is alleged Evra said: 'Don't touch me, you South American,' to which Suarez replies: 'Porque, negro?'

Evra catches Kuyt two minutes later and is booked. He allegedly shouts at Marriner: 'You're only booking me because I'm black.'

Suarez is bemused, saying: 'I called him something his team-mates call him and even they were surprised by his reaction.'

 

 

Read more: Gus Poyet supports Luis Suarez again | Mail Online

 

This is the bit I dont understand. In LFC statement last night and in other reports it states no one else seen or heard this comment of Negro/Negreto even though it was in a busy goal mouth during a corner. now both players were not in the goal mouth but were walking towards the area, also the camara was on them for the whole time and having seen the footage I cant see those words being mouthed by either player. surly a camara would have picked this up

 

am i right in thinking it is the incident that has been getting played over and over on sky or are we yet to see the real incident due to the case?

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Yes I know mate, but how long has he lived in Europe, would be totally sympathetic if he had come straight from Uruguay I just think he should be aware that nigarito is similar to the other word that is derogatory in Western Europe.

Im not in anyway branding him and I know people say things that have different meanings in different languages, all I am saying is he should have been smart enough not to get involved in the situation on the first place.

 

But the conversation was in Spanish, from what is reported, then surely Suarez would expect Spanish meanings to prevail?

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Keep seeing people on Sky Sports News saying "ignorance is no excuse" and Suarez should know better.

 

These people are the ones being ignorant, by accusing him guilty.

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But the conversation was in Spanish, from what is reported, then surely Suarez would expect Spanish meanings to prevail?

 

Spanish is spoken in 21 countries, which country would he be expected to align his meaning with?

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Dont know if its been posted but just seen this..

 

"The FA are willing to ban someone over one persons claim with no evidence? Well in that case the whole Man United team racially abused me"

 

Mario Balotelli

 

I grow fonder of him by the day.....

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Fuck me Sly stoop to new depths - sports presenter interviewing sports lawyer trying to get him to say if anybody NOW wanted to make a complaint to the police then they would investigate. Would they have needed to be at the game game? said sly cuntish

 

It would be better for us if they did.

The FA would have to hand over the proceedings to the police.

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FA 1 Blatter 0.

 

You can imagine them at FA headquarters chanting Blatter are you watching Blatter are you watching. From the evidence that has been suggested there is never a case for Suarez to be found guilty of deliberately setting out to abuse his opponent.

 

I naively thought the FA would investigate the claim and acknowledge it was a cultural misunderstanding by all parties, instead they have played politics with Suarez reputation to prove a point. As a few have mentioned they have not just demonised Suarez they have done the same to Kenny and our club.

 

I really hope that we pursue all possible channels, not to negotiate for a reduced ban but for it to be quashed anything else is letting Suarez and Kenny down in my view. It doesn’t matter if it was 1, 2 or 4 the same sentiment applies. The FA have really placed Suarez and the club in some bizarre Kafkaesque nightmare.

 

I was worried and mentioned at the time that it wasn’t Suarez on trial but the whole concept of racism. I would take the FA’s approach to this seriously, if they acknowledged they were not equipped to deal with the nuances and draft in a panel of people who have a more rounded view, they decide to use two FOOTBALL PEOPLE and a QC who is on the payroll and expect us to consider they have behaved in a fair manner and that justice has been served. They have their racist poster boy in Suarez, who from their perspective they could not have found an easier villain.

 

Another thing, a lot of the people who I know who are genuinely interested in stamping out discrimination are also vehement in everyone being allowed to be treated fairly and equally by organisations that are in positions of authority. Can you really be against racism and then watch a man in Suarez be vilified and get ripped to bits across the globe on the basis of such a case. I think a lot of people who are coming out and applauding the FA really need to take a long hard look and consider the circumstances and get off their high horses.

 

Unless there is some smoking gun in the details of the hearing it really is an almighty stitch up by the FA. It really does seem highly improbable from the statement the club have released.

 

That captures the spirit of how I and most Reds feel.

 

But I think that you are right to advise a little caution till the judgement comes out.

 

What you do not touch on are more fundamental questions. What was the defence that we put up? Who was in charge of this? What was the relationship between the legal team and Ayres? What was our strategy? What efforts did we make after a complaint was made, but before charges were made, to neutralise this? Who at the Club was making representations to the FA? Who were our legal team, and what credentials did they have? What advice was offered by Ayres to FSG?

 

I agree that politically this was a sensitive one for the FA. I do not agree that there was an inevitability that this was the only, or best, option for the FA.

 

Rick and Dave may have been dozy at masterminding our clubs future, but they knew where the key to the drinks cabinet was at the FA HQ. In the face of flimsy evidence against us, I wonder whether inexperience has cost us dear here?

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Rick and Dave may have been dozy at masterminding our clubs future, but they knew where the key to the drinks cabinet was at the FA HQ. In the face of flimsy evidence against us, I wonder whether inexperience has cost us dear here?

 

When exactly did that help our position in hearings? And secondly, the FA have moved their HQ from Lancaster Gate to Soho Square to Wembley during the time Rick was CEO here.

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That's a one-sided piece of crap from that so-called 'expert' up there (the legal Tom Cannon perhaps?) if ever there was one - The 'pessimist for Liverpool' agenda again is it? What a surprise.........; Anyway, what the Fool Fails to mention? Is that every step taken legally (and I mean in Proper courts - Not the Kangaroo world run by sporting courts) can & Will drag this out ever longer & maybe even render a ban ineffective as should it run on into next season? We will have no doubt strengthened hugely in anticipation of said ban & possibly have shown up their sad excuse for a 'case' So much? That the ban might have to be cut to shreds anyway for them to retain Any credibility & not be more embarrassed than they already have been (greatly).

 

Also? Heard rumours that The Whole squad/team are training in Suarez shirts tonight which is great & together with the statement to the FA - A "Fuck You" of The most obvious kind. Am I alone in thinking that should Suarez score (Esp' if it's the 20,000th PL goal) that it might just go Further than that again? I can see Suarez do his jump & Pistol celebration followed by a second jump & maybe a 'handcuffs' gesture or one of his teammates doing it in order to Really hammer home the message to the FA - Doubt they'll like it (Cahill got hell for doing it a couple of years ago at Everton & that was over less than this) but then it's gone a bit beyond that now. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the above happened & Suarez or A.N other repeated Luis' 'Finger' gesture of a couple of weeks ago with the words "F**k You FA" or similar intended to be Lip-Read for all to see. Either way? I doubt should we score tonight? If nothing at all will happen as tonight? Is anything but a normal night for Our wonderful club - It's the Night after the Day we Finally officially declared Open War on the FA after years of ill-treatment from them As United did 2 decades ago & it's waaaaaaaay past time in coming. Clearly the Manchester Association have wanted an open war with us for a very long time & now? They've Finally got one. Not that they'll come close to winning it - In John Henry & company? They've taken on legally? Absolutely the Worst people they could possibly have chosen - As they'll find out Very soon to their cost.........

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Until they release how the panel came to its findings,its all a waste of time to speculate.

 

The club rightly came out and backed him with the statement last night,but it could comeback to haunt them.

 

It all rests on the word he used and if it is negrito then we should pursue the case to end t o clear his name.

 

If it was negro were fucked as he has admitted saying it and it is a racist term and no amount of using a case of cultural meaning will change anything.

 

They got him by the balls with him admitting it as they dont need other proof to charge him as they already got it.

 

This is probably why the cunt was super confident of him winning the charge.

 

That piece he done in Uruguay could be the biggest mistake of his life.

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Also is anyone as Unsurprised as me by the Terry Charges? We all knew If Terry were to be charged - They would (attempt to) Bury Suarez. The only thing different here is they've done it the wrong way around. The Fcukers Association must have been waiting to see What was announced on the quiet over the weekend re' Terry (Had Terry been let off? They'd have fudged a statement together & let Luis Alone IMO - As they yet might If we fight this enough). The minute they heard Terry was for the High Jump? The Firing Squad were readied for Luis. That's what I think happened anyway & I wouldn't put it past them. I'd put Nothing at all past them after this..........

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