Evra accuses Suarez of racism

[christhered]

I still think Suarez should not have placed himself in the position in the first place, who knows who said what first, but Luis should be smart enough to know that the word he used may be seen as unacceptable in another country.

I just wish in regards to Luis he would just get on with the fucking game sometimes.

[fowler9]

and Clarke Carlisle can fuck off too, another one who thinks he is entitled to talk about something he knows nothing about

[JMARKH]

Took this from the official L.F.C forums:

 

Luis Suarez's disciplinary hearing is currently being heard by a three-man FA panel, which must decide whether he is guilty of making a negative reference to Patrice Evra's "ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race". Clearly, when hearing such a sensitive case, absolute impartiality and lack of bias are essential, but I submit there is persuasive evidence to suggest that one particular member of the FA panel could conceivably harbour latent bias towards Manchester United.

 

In 1924, Lord Chief Justice Hewart articulated a fundamental principal of justice that applies in all spheres of conflict, including the conduct of disciplinary hearings:

 

"It is of fundamental importance that justice should not only be done, but should manifestly and undoubtedly be seen to be done"

 

Please bear that concept in mind as you read the rest of the article.

 

On Wednesday 14th December, both The Guardian and The Telegraph reported that the Suarez-Evra disciplinary panel was composed of the following three people:

 

Paul Goulding QC - Specialist member of the FA's judicial panel since 2008.

Brian Jones - Chairman of the Sheffield and Hallamshire FA

Denis Smith - The former Sunderland manager.

 

Some interesting facts about Denis Smith:

 

- He managed Wrexham for six years between 2001 and 2007, during which time a key member of his squad was a certain Darren Ferguson, son of Manchester United manager Alex Ferguson.

 

- Smith held Ferguson in such high regard that he made him club captain, and regularly heaped glowing praise on the player. For example:

 

"Darren was always chatting before games, telling the players what to do, he took on responsibility and was good at relaying my orders onto the pitch.

 

"Darren always wanted to know why and there is nothing wrong with that. I wanted my players to question my decisions, as managers are not always right and that's what he did.

 

"There are people who you know have a chance to become a good manager and he was one of them. He is a leader and a strong character."

 

"They are getting someone who is organised, hard-working, dedicated and who can spot a good player"

 

- Smith was fired from the Wrexham job in 2007, and Ferguson Jr. left the club soon after, something that upset Smith:

 

"Okay, they got rid of me, but...to lose Ferguson as a player was a major blow – but people make decisions which they think are right at the time"

 

- In 2009, Smith published his autobiography: 'Just One of Seven'. The back cover states:

 

"Tough-talking, candid and in places brutally honest, Smith's autobiography reveals his tough upbringing amidst the gangs of Stoke-on-Trent, and...how he helped save Sir Alex Ferguson's job.

 

 

Take a look at this picture and follow through for the next paragraph:

http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/d...war/dsmith.png

 

 

Clearly, the fact that Smith 'helped save Sir Alex Ferguson's job' is something of which he is immensely proud. Indeed, the promotional campaign for the book was based around that particular quote.

 

My question is this: is it really possible for someone with such close ties and (obvious) affection for the Ferguson family to remain truly impartial in a highly sensitive case involving Liverpool and...Manchester United?

 

I contacted the FA earlier, and a Spokesperson confirmed that it's standard practice to include on disciplinary panels someone who has some 'experience in the game', usually a former player or manager.

 

Of all the thousands of former players and managers, why did the FA choose someone with close ties to - and obvious affection for - the Ferguson family?

 

Looking at the situation objectively, I would argue there is a clear conflict of interest here. I do not doubt Smith's ability to be remain unbiased, but as the Lord Hewart quote goes: 'Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done'.

 

I would argue that there is serious potential for subconscious, inadvertent bias towards Manchester United here.

 

I further submit that in a case as serious and sensitive as this, the disciplinary panel must be unimpeachably impartial.

 

Looking at the facts *objectively*, is that really the case here?

[TheDrowningMan]

I still think Suarez should not have placed himself in the position in the first place, who knows who said what first, but Luis should be smart enough to know that the word he used may be seen as unacceptable in another country.

I just wish in regards to Luis he would just get on with the fucking game sometimes.

 

That's difficult when you've been using a word your entire life. I tink it's hard for English speakers who never step outside their comfort zone to understand how easy it is to make a cock up or say something that may be not be as acceptable as it is in your mother tongue.

[christhered]

That's difficult when you've been using a word your entire life. I tink it's hard for English speakers who never step outside their comfort zone to understand how easy it is to make a cock up or say something that may be not be as acceptable as it is in your mother tongue.

 

Yes I know mate, but how long has he lived in Europe, would be totally sympathetic if he had come straight from Uruguay I just think he should be aware that nigarito is similar to the other word that is derogatory in Western Europe.

Im not in anyway branding him and I know people say things that have different meanings in different languages, all I am saying is he should have been smart enough not to get involved in the situation on the first place.

[KevieG]

Its a totally fucked up situation but I don't think I've seen something bring everyone together like this in years. If there is one silver lining in the this then that is it.

 

Bring it all the way to the high court, get it chucked out and in the meantime lets show Luis what loyalty is. I think the Uruguay flag is a great idea. I know some people are saying he might feel like leaving the country to escape, but he might just have found himself a club for the rest of his life too.

[usernameunknown]

Dan Roan @danroan

CPS to make statement on John Terry this afternoon

 

Haha! Whats the betting he gets off and the FA says thats the end of the matter?

[silverlining]

I don't really understand this at all

 

Evra says he isn't a racist, the fa say he isn't a racist, but the ban is for using derogatory language referring to Evra's colour...which is racist isnt it?

 

It's a bit schizophrenic

 

And have they said what the words used were? Negritos

[Redexile]

I still think Suarez should not have placed himself in the position in the first place, who knows who said what first, but Luis should be smart enough to know that the word he used may be seen as unacceptable in another country.

I just wish in regards to Luis he would just get on with the fucking game sometimes.

 

Get to fuck. He's been pre-judged here before anything got underway.

[gumps]

Dan Roan @danroan

CPS to make statement on John Terry this afternoon

 

Haha! Whats the betting he gets off and the FA says thats the end of the matter?

 

Surely it would be unbelievable and farcical if the FA refused to take action if the CPS hands the case back.

 

The CPS is looking at a completely different standard of evidence and have to consider if a case would stand up in court.

 

The FA have obviously shown that they make decisions and a far, far lower standard of evidence.

[Randy Marsh]

Still absolutely livid about this. I hope for an immediate response and a statement of intent from the club, and I cannot wait to here what Kenny has to say tonight.

[Lario]

I'd love if the players took a stance tonight.

 

Luis got done for using abusive language. Everytime a Wigan player tells one of our lads to fuck off, or calls Bellamy a little Welsh prick (which is bound to happen!), the player should report it to the referee and make sure it's included in his report.

 

We need to manufacture a world of hurt for those corrupt cunts.

[Nomad]

Shocked and disguested by this decision.

 

Suarez has been given 14 days to appeal but according to the LFC statement they are still awaiting the findings put together by the FA panal. If this is the case then Suarez does not have 14 days to review, he has as much time as the FA take to get this information out. is that right?

 

Also what is the most he could get for the fulham incident 3 games? which could be a total of 11 game ban?

 

Fuck me.

[Unrighteous]

Liverpool FC: James’ Pearce’s verdict on the Luis Suarez ban

by James Pearce, Liverpool EchoDec 21 2011

 

 

A FEELING of disbelief and anger hangs over Anfield today. Over the past two months Liverpool FC have stood firmly behind Luis Suarez confident that the serious allegations of racist abuse made by Patrice Evra would be thrown out.

 

Yet the club’s worst nightmare came true last night. The Football Association handed out an eight-game ban, coupled with a £40,000 fine, after the independent regulatory commission found him guilty of ‘used insulting words’ towards Evra including a ‘reference to his colour’.

 

An appeal is certain with Liverpool FC’s hard-hitting statement laying bare their fury at not only the outcome but also the way in which this investigation was conducted.

 

The fact is this was a case of one player’s word against another’s. Remarkably, the three-man panel decided that Evra was the more reliable witness.

 

This was the same player who was involved in high profile allegations of racism three years ago following a bust-up with Chelsea groundsman Sam Bethell at Stamford Bridge.

 

An FA hearing described Evra’s account of events that day as “exaggerated and unreliable” and the charge of racism was thrown out.

 

After the 1-1 draw at Anfield back on October 15 Evra accused Suarez of racially abusing him “more than 10 times” yet no-one inside a crowded penalty area at the Kop End or in the crowd heard anything.

 

Not one of Evra’s team-mates came forward to back up his serious allegations, including goalkeeper David De Gea, who speaks Spanish.

 

Suarez, for his part, admitted to saying ‘why, negro?’ to Evra on one occasion after Evra said ‘Don’t touch me, you South American’.

 

The word ‘negro’ is Spanish for black and in his native South America it is not deemed to be offensive. Someone with black hair is often called that without any malice intended.

 

Brighton boss and fellow Uruguayan Gus Poyet recently explained: “In Uruguay it is a nickname for someone whose skin is darker than the rest. It is not offensive. Such people are part of society.

 

“We will defend them, go to war with them, share everything with them and at the same time use that word.”

 

 

 

Read More Liverpool FC: James’ Pearce’s verdict on the Luis Suarez ban - Liverpool FC News - Liverpool FC - Liverpool Echo

[s(k)aturation]

Its a totally fucked up situation but I don't think I've seen something bring everyone together like this in years. If there is one silver lining in the this then that is it.

 

Bring it all the way to the high court, get it chucked out and in the meantime lets show Luis what loyalty is. I think the Uruguay flag is a great idea. I know some people are saying he might feel like leaving the country to escape, but he might just have found himself a club for the rest of his life too.

 

I agree.

If the club are going to back the lad, it has to be all the way.

If the club deplores racism as much as we say we do, then we have to do everything in our power to clear the name of someone who, let's face it, is now in danger of being considered one. Albeit by fuckwit, tabloid lynch mobs.

If this is as serious shit as the eight match ban suggests, then we should fight the FA's fire with fire and spare no expense.

A man's good name is at stake and being trifled with otherwise.

There's a big difference between being known as someone who moans about not getting the odd free kick... and this.

Over to you, LFC.

[christhered]

Get to fuck. He's been pre-judged here before anything got underway.

 

I agree with you mate, they were looking for a scapegoat and got one, especially just after all the Blatter crap and then Terry. Sill doesnt escape the fact that Luis was a little naive.

[Randy Marsh]

A close family friend of the Ferguson's was on the 3 man panel, a man who made Ferguson's son captain at Wrexham, a man strongly credited with keeping Ferguson in his job years ago.

 

The QC who defended Rooney against Uefa was also on the 3 man panel. The QC who has done plenty of work for the FA, now supposedly acting independent of them in a case which they are involved in.

 

Take whatever you need from that. Impartial? Yeh right.

[gumps]

I agree with you mate, they were looking for a scapegoat and got one, especially just after all the Blatter crap and then Terry. Sill doesnt escape the fact that Luis was a little naive.

 

 

If by naive you mean honest and open? Then I'll take that every day of the week rather than keep quiet and lie like TCE (the cunt Evra) has done!

 

At least Luis can live with himself.

[Randy Marsh]

Look at all of the tabloid hacks jumping on this here from their gutters. This is the bandwagon they've been waiting for. We'll see if they react the same if national hero JT gets done today. I won't hold my breath...

[gumps]

A close family friend of the Ferguson's was on the 3 man panel, a man who made Ferguson's son captain at Wrexham, a man strongly credited with keeping Ferguson in his job years ago.

 

The brief who defended Rooney against Uefa was also on the 3 man panel.

 

Take whatever you need from that. Impartial? Yeh right.

 

 

All good ammunition for appeal.

[J-V]

Look at all of the tabloid hacks jumping on this here from their gutters. This is the bandwagon they've been waiting for. We'll see if they react the same if national hero JT gets done today. I won't hold my breath...

 

He probably wont get done.

[Randy Marsh]

They're apparently discussing this on This Morning today. I can't check that as if they are Ill end up putting a fist through the tele.

[Red Phoenix]

Looks like Luis is getting a lot of support which is great, I just hope he realises that many people with even half a brain know he's not racist. The FA are bunch of clueless, biased fucking scum as well. If it'd been a Manc there'd have no fucking way been an EIGHT game ban. It would've been half that at the most.

 

Which isn't even the point, he should be cleared of this and I hope this badly damages the reputation of the FA, who are a bunch of fucking idiots.

 

And total credit to whoever wrote the brilliant statement from the club. It seemed to read perfectly from start to finish.

[KevieG]

IMO the number of games is almost irrelevant, his name is tainted now. Its about clearing that above all else.

[Red Phoenix]

IMO the number of games is almost irrelevant, his name is tainted now.

 

It's not to anyone with half a brain though, because they use words like negrito in Uruguay without it being racist. If only we could do it all over the world and black people would call us honky/honkito or something, all of this stupid pointless fucking crap could be thrown out of the window. But no, it's got to be over the top, pointless pc bullshit. I hope we evolve past this one day as a human race, because it's a waste of time and energy.

 

And on top of everything else our season has a good chance of being fucked now.