Shelvey.

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He has poise and confidence and reads the game well. I think he's a good player for his age, but potential doesn't always translate into adulthood. A season at Blackpool will do him a lot of good in my opinion, and we will know more about him by the end of it.

[Code 521]

So how come the Liverpool coaches don't know this?

 

Perhaps they have weighed all the factors, including what you are saying, and have concluded playing time is better for him, as training, even with a better quality better, is still only training and can't match the intensity of a proper game.

 

I dont know, you have to ask them.

 

How many players have really improved after a loan spell in the Championship?

 

Let them go abroad to learn another style of football and mature that way or get them to low tier PL club where at least the opposition will be good every week.

 

To loan players to mid table Championship clubs for individual development, thats just ridiculous.

 

What will they gain from it, you develop by playing with better players, and considering Shelvey has got as much playing time he has with us you would hope that was not the case for him going to Blackpool in their current state.

[silverlining 34]

No.

 

and actually develop its always better to play with better players something he would do every day in training with us.At Blackpool he will not really be up against any quality players either so that will not really do anything for him either.

 

 

Wilshere loaned to Bolton at age 19

Beckham loaned to Preston at age 19

Aaron Ramsey loaned to Cardiff and Nott'm Forest age 19

Kyle Walker loaned to QPR age 20

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Code Bellend.

[zigackly 621]

Wilshere loaned to Bolton at age 19

Beckham loaned to Preston at age 19

Aaron Ramsey loaned to Cardiff and Nott'm Forest age 19

Kyle Walker loaned to QPR age 20

 

It's no good, he will already have compiled a list of ten players who it didn't help, with statistical evidence.

[Hand Shandy 2,469]

Why is it a good move?

 

You would think if he was good enough to get as much playing time he got for us last season, the only option should be a loan to a Premier League club.

 

He will not improve much in the Championship if anything at all.

 

No.

 

Its probably a good move for Shelvey himself as the Championship is about his level.

 

When it comes to his development as a player I doubt it will make him any good as he will be pretty average and not stand out in any game, the players surrounding him will be of average quality as well and to blossom and actually develop its always better to play with better players something he would do every day in training with us.

 

At Blackpool he will not really be up against any quality players either so that will not really do anything for him either.

 

I dont know, you have to ask them.

 

How many players have really improved after a loan spell in the Championship?

 

Let them go abroad to learn another style of football and mature that way or get them to low tier PL club where at least the opposition will be good every week.

 

To loan players to mid table Championship clubs for individual development, thats just ridiculous.

 

What will they gain from it, you develop by playing with better players, and considering Shelvey has got as much playing time he has with us you would hope that was not the case for him going to Blackpool in their current state.

 

[silverlining 34]

Code isn't arrogant.

 

What he displays on this site regularly is a bit like monomania. Which is a mental illness.

 

But much funnier.

 

I honestly can't see how people get wound up by him, he's fucking absurd; a figure of fun.

He's a bit like Rashid.

[Code 521]

Wilshere loaned to Bolton at age 19

Beckham loaned to Preston at age 19

Aaron Ramsey loaned to Cardiff and Nott'm Forest age 19

Kyle Walker loaned to QPR age 20

 

Wishere: to a PL club.

 

Beckham: back in 1960, wow what a great argument.

 

Ramsey: I`m sure the 5 games at Forrest and 6 games at Cardiff had a huge impact on his debvelopment, talk about being absurd.

 

Walker: after his loan spell at Villa, a PL club he finally was able to get his breakthrough at Spurs.

 

NEXT.

[Major Tom 897]

NEXT.

 

Tom Cleverly.

 

Come back when you want another. There are plenty.

 

Plenty.

[Code 521]

Tom Cleverly.

 

Come back when you want another. There are plenty.

 

Plenty.

 

The Cleverly who went to Wigan in the PL you mean.

 

Stop wasting my time.

[The Dude Abides 3]

Good move for him. As he still looks a ways away from being of a standard good enough for the first team, and he's not playing much reserve team football.

 

What is it with us and slow, laboured and one paced central midfielders though?

[dirk grout 120]

Wishere: to a PL club.

 

Beckham: back in 1960, wow what a great argument.

 

Ramsey: I`m sure the 5 games at Forrest and 6 games at Cardiff had a huge impact on his debvelopment, talk about being absurd.

 

Walker: after his loan spell at Villa, a PL club he finally was able to get his breakthrough at Spurs.

 

NEXT.

 

Weirdo.

[Major Tom 897]

The Cleverly who went to Wigan in the PL you mean.

 

Stop wasting my time.

 

You are refuting a player's potential or ability to improve after being loaned to a Championship club. Cleverly (and PLENTY of others) clearly benefited and improved by being loaned to a Championship club. Playing in the PL in his next season is pretty damning evidence of this.

 

Rocket science, it ain't.

[Trucker Paddy 309]

Martin Kelly

[Ezekiel 25:17 3,168]

Good move, especially if he doesn't come back.

[Jairzinho 22,229]

Just fucking write him off. He's 19 and hasn't won the Ballon d'Or yet.

[Code 521]

Martin Kelly

 

Kelly was loaned out a couple of months before he returned in the summer, he did not really break into the first team one year later.

 

Another bad example.

 

I`m not saying its a bad idea to loan players out for a couple of months, but to release them for one year in the age they are supposed to really develop is more than debatable.

 

The Championship is Shelveys level though so in reality I have no problem with it but how people can say its a good move for us is what I have a problem with.

 

How good does he need to be in the Championship for us to be of any use of him later, you would think he really needs to be a stand out player. if not why not just bring any average Championship player into our squad?

 

Out of 3 loan options availible I`d say the championship is the least favourable option.

[J-V 3,032]

Good move, especially if he doesn't come back.

 

:D

[Major Tom 897]

 

Another bad example.

 

 

What point are you trying to make here, Code? That young Prem players don't benefit from being loaned to the Ch'ship? Why do you think so many Prem clubs do it? Have they all got it wrong do you think?

[BenR_ 5]

He's loaned till December Code.

[milky 542]

Kelly was loaned out a couple of months before he returned in the summer, he did not really break into the first team one year later.

 

Another bad example.

 

I`m not saying its a bad idea to loan players out for a couple of months, but to release them for one year in the age they are supposed to really develop is more than debatable.

 

The Championship is Shelveys level though so in reality I have no problem with it but how people can say its a good move for us is what I have a problem with.

 

How good does he need to be in the Championship for us to be of any use of him later, you would think he really needs to be a stand out player. if not why not just bring any average Championship player into our squad?

 

Out of 3 loan options availible I`d say the championship is the least favourable option.

 

He's gone till January. So you're in agreement then, this is a good move.

[Ezekiel 25:17 3,168]

Just fucking write him off. He's 19 and hasn't won the Ballon d'Or yet.

 

Stanley Matthews got it at Blaxckpool, there's hope for him yet.

[ChrisM 11]

Code, you're fucking wasted on here mate, you could easily get a job working in youth development at a PL club with all your knowledge. Get some CV's rattled off.

[Bobby Hundreds 7,396]

I think loans are good moves for youngsters, not sure about Blackpool though, ive thought he needs to define a role more and be more disciplined, Blackpool seem like the football equivalent of pile on.

[Duff Man 1,550]

Defoe at Bournemouth, and they were in Division 2 (or Division 1 in new money).