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"He has revealed for the first time that if Liverpool are not able to modernise Anfield, they will design new plans for a stadium on Stanley Park rather than pursue either of the two existing schemes left by previous owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

 

That would require a fresh planning application which could take a minimum of two more years before construction began. "

 

Is this a delay tactic or is the stadium they have approval for not adequate? How much would have been spent so far on the approved stadium with the design and planning aspects?

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Is this a delay tactic or is the stadium they have approval for not adequate? How much would have been spent so far on the approved stadium with the design and planning aspects?

 

The G&H design is some four years old. In that time the balance of construction costs have shifted and designs have moved on. The 60k capacity also appeared to be an arbitrary, unscientific figure.I think that it is wholly predictable, and understandable, that a FSG stadium should be designed and commissioned by them and not an inherited misfit.

 

I don't think that this is a delaying tactic. I do think that the reduced revenue capabilities of Anfield will be an ongoing handicap against our domestic and European peers as FFP starts to bite.

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Liverpool opt for original Stanley Park stadium plan to replace Anfield after rejecting futuristic design

 

Liverpool have decided to proceed with their original, nine-year-old stadium plans once they have secured the finance to start construction.

 

By Chris Bascombe

 

11:00PM GMT 16 Jan 2012

 

That means the alternative, futuristic stadium designs proposed by former owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jnr have been ditched for good.

 

It also ensures there will be no fresh planning application required by the current American owners to restart construction once a lucrative naming rights package is in place.

 

Fenway Sports Group has been working with Manchester-based architects AFL, the firm which first submitted designs when Liverpool announced their intention to move to Stanley Park as far back as 2000.

 

It is these proposals, which were put forward for planning permission in 2003 and given the green light a year later, which will become the blueprint for a new 60,000-seat stadium costing around £300 million.

 

The club must still find the finance to kick-start the scheme, and there is no immediate prospect of work beginning, but AFL’s return to preferred status is another significant twist in the seemingly never-ending saga of Liverpool’s ground move.

 

The AFL plans were first introduced by former chief executive Rick Parry but were abandoned by Hicks and Gillett shortly after their ill-fated takeover in 2006.

 

Hicks scrapped the original designs in favour of those he commissioned from a Dallas-based architecture firm, HKS.

 

The £400 million costs of the second scheme effectively triggered the beginning of the end of the old regime, as Hicks and Gillett could not raise the funds to build it.

 

It also led to the first major split of the old boardroom, as the plans were seen as too expensive and impractical.

 

Now Hicks’ grand scheme has been permanently shelved with FSG deciding it will modernise and upgrade the first set of designs.

 

Since buying the club, John W Henry has worked through a variety of options to establish how to solve Liverpool’s enduring stadium problem.

 

Henry originally wanted to redevelop Anfield, but after a year of toil working through the planning issues, and the cost of buying nearby residential properties, it was accepted this was not feasible.

 

FSG has also explored whether to commission new stadium plans, but the time and cost restraint also made that a non-starter.

 

Liverpool have planning permission for two designs.

 

If the club submitted a third to Liverpool City Council, it could delay the process by another three years and there could be no guarantee they would be passed, especially given a political fervour to maintain a dialogue with Everton on the controversial issue of a groundshare.

 

It would be an incredibly risky strategy for FSG to start from scratch.

 

Liverpool still need to raise around £150 million in sponsorship — around half the costs – before they can start building any arena, but having decided which course to take there will be fewer obstacles in their way if a naming rights package can be secured in the near future.

 

That in itself remains a difficulty given economic conditions.

 

The single, desirable legacy of the Hicks and Gillett era was the fact they actually began preparatory work on Stanley Park prior to having to bring it to a halt when they failed to secure investment.

 

That means technically, and legally, construction of a stadium is considered to have already started by the council.

 

This has enabled the new owners to avoid missing out on any deadlines to complete a project.

 

Liverpool City Council is also eager for the club to make progress as soon as possible, so have not issued time constraints.

 

Some Liverpool fans may be worried that plans nearly 10 years old, which were publicly criticised by Hicks as being ‘out of date’ five years ago, are being given a facelift.

 

However, Liverpool believe Hicks’s criticism was always unwarranted and the AFL plans — inspired in part by the Millennium Stadium in Wales — were also impressive.

 

Although the club are limited in terms of altering how the arena will look, its size and the space it will fill from the accepted designs, there is still plenty of capacity to upgrade the interiors to modern standards.

 

Any suggestion the nine-year-old architects’ plan is out of date will be dismissed by the owners, who recognise AFL’s vast portfolio in stadium design.

 

The firm is responsible for recent upgrades at Old Trafford and the Nou Camp, and built the Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea and Everton training complexes.

 

Telegraph

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Sad, that's a shit design. More bullshit "they will have to wait 3 years for new plans to get approved". When hicks did his new plans he did it in 3 months has they already had planning permission. Why can't the owners be honest.

 

The yanks really don't like putting their own money in. They don't have the finance. Not put anything in so far, also got the club for a bargain £200 million. Same old story again.

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Sad, that's a shit design. More bullshit "they will have to wait 3 years for new plans to get approved". When hicks did his new plans he did it in 3 months has they already had planning permission. Why can't the owners be honest.

 

The yanks really don't like putting their own money in. They don't have the finance. Not put anything in so far, also got the club for a bargain £200 million. Same old story again.

 

The council will not accept new planning permission, they want groundshare, no other fucking option. Shut the fuck up with that shit.

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I don't think it's that greenhouse kop one, isn't that the AFL one that was done around the same time as the Hicks one?

 

That article is talking about the one from 2004, the one John Prescott gave the ok to.

 

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Decision is 100% wrong.

 

Go and ask that fat cunt Anderson, if he will hurry up new plans. After his 14th chicken piece he will tell you to fuck off.

 

2 sets in, and no fucking more.

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The council will not accept new planning permission, they want groundshare, no other fucking option. Shut the fuck up with that shit.

 

How the fuck would you know?

 

Any 'evidence' you might have please share and the fuckers would be gone.

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It won't be the design posted by Beantown Red don't think, it'll be the AFL design before they were updated to that one with a few unseen tweaks, I'd be quite dissapointed if the updated AFL design isn't used as I don't think a new planning permission would be needed as the original is a bit too bland for me.

 

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Go and ask that fat cunt Anderson, if he will hurry up new plans. After his 14th chicken piece he will tell you to fuck off.

 

2 sets in, and no fucking more.

 

Fuck him then, tell him we are staying put and not spending a single fucking penny till the council sort their shit out!

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It won't be the design posted by Beantown Red don't think, it'll be the AFL design before they were updated to that one with a few unseen tweaks, I'd be quite dissapointed if the updated AFL design isn't used as I don't think a new planning permission would be needed as the original is a bit too bland for me.

 

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It's still shit.

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Very disappointing news, but if Al is right they have very few options.

 

The council should be helping not hindering us, especially the amount of money our club bring to Liverpool as a city.

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The council will not accept new planning permission, they want groundshare, no other fucking option. Shut the fuck up with that shit.

 

If that's the case, they need to come out and say the council stopping them from resubmitting plans.

 

They have the planning permission, a new design would require building regs approval again. They would be better building the hicks design.

It should be between the hicks design or stay at Anfield with 45000.

 

I believe they don't want to put any money in, similar to what's happening at united, villa, arsenal. It's typical across the pond business thinking.

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