London looking like Mogadishu...

[dennis tooth]

Don't be daft. These kids aren't fighting for me or my views. Go and have a wank or something.

 

Anyway, off on Wednesday to Bermondsay for band rehearsals. Should be fun but although I don't expect to see anything but it'll be a bitch if the Tube service is restricted.

 

Yeah yeah. Go and pull your banjo strings. Fucking rehearsals.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

So, if not a degree of force Dennis, what's the answer?

 

I can appreciate the underlying concerns of the youth of today. However, these youths on the street are not voicing a political ideal. People on the streets in Damascus are. People on the streets of Tehran and Shiraz were. People on the streets of Tripoli were.

 

These people are nothing more than violent thugs and they deserve everything they get. Do they care if anybody gets hurt in the fires that they irresponsibly light? Do they fuck. Thugs of the highest order.

[Guest davelfc]

Like a good little coward dennis starting his revolution from his keyboard.

[cochcaer]

Just loads of random places on fire in Croydon. What the fuck this is getting worse.

 

1981 all over again. Copycat riots will probably begin sporadically appearing in areas of social deprivation.

[PestiRed]

Ken just seemed intent on scoring political points as the presenter pointed out.

Blaming the Tories for this problem, completely ignoring the fact that these rioters/looters are a product of the Labour years...

 

You're accusing Ken Livingstone of defending New Labour?

[Wor Horse]

That is some fire in Croydon. Hope that's not a house.

[J-V]

Ken Livingstone talking a lot of sense on BBC. I'd imagine Boris will be listening & booking the first flight back

 

He's a fucking cunt.

[Anny Road]

I guess you must think these "young black lads" are born into it. Maybe in the blood so to speak.

 

Call me a lentil scoffing left-winger, but I reckon it might be a little more complicated than that. Even if any of these people wanted to escape to something better, they are finding all routes blocked with EMA being scrapped, uni fees now beyond most people, youth centers being closed as well as charities concerned with helping the less fortunate in society better themselves and finding employment due to government grants being scrapped. And the job market is hardly looking up.

 

I know you probably think these people are savages and don't think at this level with their only concern being where they can nick a pair or trainers or a new flat screen, but they know what is going on. And if they don't they will have heard it discussed by people who do - they don't live in a bubble.

 

These people have been looking for an excuse, and its now been handed to them.

 

There was one of these lads interviewed on 5 live this morning complaining that the government are cutting his benefit and closing the youth club where he goes. (he was 26). He said that if the government won't provide for him he is sick of it and is going to go out and take it. Asked why he doesn't get a job he said he has depression.

Fucking unreal.

 

Shoot the cunts.

[Guest davelfc]

1981 all over again. Copycat riots will probably begin sporadically appearing in areas of social deprivation.

 

Although I'm guessing near shops selling high end electrical items.

[gingerhulk]

Belle vale shoppy anyone? Lets go riot and stock up on beige food from iceland.

[Anubis]

Boy, was I wrong about Croydon.

[dennis tooth]

So, if not a degree of force Dennis, what's the answer?

 

I can appreciate the underlying concerns of the youth of today. However, these youths on the street are not voicing a political ideal. People on the streets in Damascus are. People on the streets of Tehran and Shiraz were. People on the streets of Tripoli were.

 

These people are nothing more than violent thugs and they deserve everything they get. Do they care if anybody gets hurt in the fires that they irresponsibly light? Do they fuck. Thugs of the highest order.

 

Thugs? Y are you calling them thugs? Based on what?

 

THUG? As in The Hurt U Give?

They are voicing a political view in the best means available to them. These are the leaders not the toffs.

[Juniper]

 

Yeah yeah. Go and pull your banjo strings. Fucking rehearsals.

 

Wish I did play the banjo actually....

 

Why the fuck would I go out rioting for the sake of it? Why would i suddenly go out and start acting the Cunt. Why aren't you our there instead of sitting behind your computer dishing out drunken abuse.

 

Go out there and set fire to things if you believe in it so much. You're more the fool than me, sat at home acting the tit but calling the rest of us cunts.

 

You Childish Idiot.

[dennis tooth]

Like a good little coward dennis starting his revolution from his keyboard.

 

Coward? Behave yourself.

[Anny Road]

Go on Dennis I dare you to set fire to your local Greggs.

[Trumo]

PS - I was hoping to spend a week down in London later in the month, this better not spoil my plans.

 

I'm doing the Open City tour next month. It might be more open than I thought.

[Section_31]

Out of interest, for those who think socio-economic conditions have nothing to do with it, why do you reckon we never see riots in Bath, Cambridge or York? Are the people of Bath genetically predisposed to having a peaceful nature? Or have they learned to better control their emotions? Like Mr Spock?

[J-V]

Fuck rubber bullets, use live rounds.

I bet we don't miss any of them, including that cunt duggan.

These cunts aren't going to contribute fuck all to society any way other then breeding other little cunts who then claim benefit like Daddy and Mummy

[Karl_b]

I'd love to get stuck into this discussion as I think it's been a good thread, for the most part, so far but I'm "working" on some uni stuff.

 

However, I just can't believe the amount of people I've spoken to, on Facebook and on here that see no correlation between what's happening and the breakdown of society into what has become a self-centred, money grabbing shambles. I'm not particularly excusing the riots but actions have consequences, and 20 years of being served shit whilst those at the top ascend into further gluttony has left a nasty taste in the mouth. It doesn't just manifest itself by means of people thinking 'I don't have a job, I know I'll steal some stuff' but through continuous degradation of the system that is supposed to nurture and support people leading to a breakdown in morals and codes.

 

This isn't a one-off riot for no reason, it's a reaction to the situation so many disillusioned people find themselves in. Some of you have made remarks about this being the work of black youths, if you think that then ask yourself why its them? Is it because they're at the bottom of the pile, in the sections of society that have little hope and yet have to endure those gobshites running the country telling us we're all in it together.

 

Fuck that shit, people are angry. It was said that there would be riots when the Tories came to power, who knew it would take less than 18 months.

[Anubis]

Ken just seemed intent on scoring political points as the presenter pointed out.

 

He didn't. He quite properly shot the suggestion down.

[Sut]

Wish I did play the banjo actually....

 

 

I've got a five string banjo. It's ace. I'm rubbish at it though.

[withnail71]

Apparently there is rioting in manchester now. huge parts of the city have been destroyed. police believe there is at least £100 worth of damage.

[Redder Lurtz]

Like a good little coward dennis starting his revolution from his keyboard.

 

Standard dennis tactic.

[Beantown Red]

Cameron is flying in tonight

[Anubis]

Oooh, Cameron is boarding a plane and heading home. I feel safer already. Dave has fiddled while London burnt.