Strike Action

[Strontium]

I wasn't talking about the ordinary workers. Obviously.

[Carvalho Diablo]

I wasn't talking about the ordinary workers. Obviously.

 

"Ordinary" workers ?

[Section_31]

I genuinely wonder how far SD's lifestyle, pension and working conditions will have to deteriorate before he stops blowing the corporatocracy trumpet. It's the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I've seen since Patty Hearst.

[WaltonRed]

Love it Section

[Kevin D]

Cameron says the teacher will crack any minute.

[IronSpy]

Purplemonkeydishwasher is what I've been hearing.

[Stu Monty]

I genuinely wonder how far SD's lifestyle, pension and working conditions will have to deteriorate before he stops blowing the corporatocracy trumpet. It's the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I've seen since Patty Hearst.

 

Did someone say "Unsustainable pyramid scheme"?

 

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Oh.

 

Know your enemy.

[Captain Turdseye]

Sky News: 'Hundreds and Thousands 'To Join Strike Action'

 

Flakes, crushed nuts and rainbow drops have yet to decide...

[Elmyn Noos]

This is the first teachers strike I'm 100% behind. Let's see how the private sector likes it when the people that not only educate their kids but look after them while they fuck off to work stop doing it. It's a fucking disgrace that the banking sector can effectively hold the whole fucking country to ransom after failing so miserably, and the government reckons it can just continue to light their big fat fucking cigars off the back of stealing money off the teachers.

 

"But we neeeeed them banks, they pay taxes". Fuck off.

 

I hope this turns into the biggest and most sustained period of strike action since the 70's and 80's.

[Strontium]

"Ordinary" workers ?

 

 

Yes, I do believe "ordinary members" is a standard term in use when referring to the rank and file union membership. When I talk about six-figure salaried Marxists, I'm obviously not talking about ordinary workers, but the union leaders who are taking home ten times what their lowest-paid members are taking home. Who else could I possibly have been referring to?!

 

I genuinely wonder how far SD's lifestyle, pension and working conditions will have to deteriorate before he stops blowing the corporatocracy trumpet. It's the worst case of Stockholm Syndrome I've seen since Patty Hearst.

 

 

Whatever happens to civil service pensions, they will still far outstrip what your average private sector worker gets. I haven't experienced any noticeable deterioration in lifestyle or working conditions, quite the contrary actually as I seem to be paying less tax than before. I don't know how typical I am, but I can only speak from my perspective.

[Anubis]

I'm private sector. But if the Government tries to clamp down on public sector workers striking I'll happily turn out onto the street with them.

[Stu Monty]

Whatever happens to civil service pensions, they will still far outstrip what your average private sector worker gets. I haven't experienced any noticeable deterioration in lifestyle or working conditions, quite the contrary actually as I seem to be paying less tax than before. I don't know how typical I am, but I can only speak from my perspective.

 

And you see the solution to erode your pension, not try and raise others up?

 

There's a bleak, brazen transparency to the fact that divide and conquer is being used, and swallowed, so widely with the public and private sector workers.

 

"Look at them, they have shoes! SHOES! I don't have shoes so the answer must be to ensure they have none too!"

 

As Bob Diamond explains to the select committee how he has three thousand feet, and therefore the status quo is essential.

[Strontium]

And you see the solution to erode your pension, not try and raise others up?

 

 

Not necessarily, but people need to admit there's a funding problem. At the moment those pensionless private sector workers are paying increasing amounts into my pension pot every year:

 

 

Great for me, no doubt, but is it really "fair"? I don't have a definitive answer on that, but I'd rather support what is fair than what benefits me personally if those end up being two different things

[Stu Monty]

Not necessarily, but people need to admit there's a funding problem. At the moment those pensionless private sector workers are paying increasing amounts into my pension pot every year:

 

 

Great for me, no doubt, but is it really "fair"? I don't have a definitive answer on that, but I'd rather support what is fair than what benefits me personally if those end up being two different things

 

No, it isn't fair. Not at all. It also isn't the pensionless private sector workers who need to be paying for your pension. It's the one's who've got a fucking boss pension.

[Section_31]

No, it isn't fair. Not at all. It also isn't the pensionless private sector workers who need to be paying for your pension. It's the one's who've got a fucking boss pension.

 

Knocks me sick watching the likes of Franics fucking Maude lambasting these people for having the temerity of going on strike to protect their retirements, yet he - like the rest of them - is fucking rolling in cash.

 

If there isn't enough money to fund public sector pensions it's not because private sector office workers need to pay more, it's because the gap between rich and poor has widened continuously over the last two decades and a smaller, and smaller group of people have all the wealth. How's about, just for comedy value, we take some of that and spread it around a little?

 

Was watching Question Time a couple of months back and they had Clive Anderson on, and he was saying how we look back at history and can't believe how some people lived, and that 100 years from now people will look back at us in ask why so many millions of us were willing to stand there and watch our lives get tougher, our pockets get lighter and our services get slashed, while at the same time we paid others multi-million-pound bonuses.

[Walton Park]

Its great how much spin the Government try and put on the Pensions cut by putting charts up saying look at how much money the public are spending on Public Sector Pensions to try and get public support.

My place have been offered an outstanding pay increase of 0% for the next 2 years.

On top of that they have calculated I will be £60 a month out of pocket due to the massive increase in personal Pension contributions and on top of that the gas and lecky will go up abut £20.

Cunts they are.

[norwichlfc]

What a surprise. Pubic Sector Workers bleating about pay and such. Here in the Private Sector we have also had to take pay cuts, lose pensions and take less hours so we can have a job. Why should the job shy lot have a pay rise when others take responsibilities and take a pay cut to have a job.

[Stu Monty]

What a surprise. Pubic Sector Workers bleating about pay and such. Here in the Private Sector we have also had to take pay cuts, lose pensions and take less hours so we can have a job. Why should the job shy lot have a pay rise when others take responsibilities and take a pay cut to have a job.

 

Not all the private sector have, genius. There's a certain section of them that are still rolling around in wealth like pigs in shit. Know your fucking enemy.

 

I realise I might as well talk to a goat but at least I tried.

[Liverpool lad]

Hard to have your strike action noticed when you spend half the year off anyway?

[norwichlfc]

Not all the private sector have, genius. There's a certain section of them that are still rolling around in wealth like pigs in shit. Know your fucking enemy.

 

I realise I might as well talk to a goat but at least I tried.

 

Explain to me then why i should fund your pension pot when i cannot even fund mine? Fuckwit

[Stu Monty]

Interesting to see the Greeks saying that they aren't having the transparent bullshit that is being pulled. One might hope for a little of the Arab spring to hit Europe. Reminded me a little of the people in the US that are just flat-out refusing to leave their homes after their had been attacked by the financial faudsters. Smacks of people saying "The game is rigged and I'm not playing anymore". If enough people say it then either there will be a change of direction of a more forceful boot will fall. I know where my money is.

 

By the way, as I type there are people who are investing as much time and money as they can on ruining the economies of Southern Europe, and gambling on that outcome for their own benefit. Hardly a wonder people take to the streets, is it?

 

Shit's fucked up yo.

[Stu Monty]

Explain to me then why i should fund your pension pot when i cannot even fund mine? Fuckwit

 

I'm not a public sector worker. Phillip Green has your pension, not the woman mopping up sick people's piss. The top 1% in this country have your fucking pension. Wake the fuck up.

[Sugar Ape]

Just saw a link to this article from the BBC website. Can't believe people buy this shit to read.

 

Express.co.uk - Home of the Daily and Sunday Express | Columnists :: The trade unions do not speak for the British people

 

THE trade unions are on the march again. With their usual mix of defiance and victimhood, militants are once more aiming to hold the public to ransom through an intensifying programme of industrial unrest.

 

This week two teaching unions, the NUT and the ATL, announced a mass walkout from schools on June 30 in protest at Government plans to reform public sector pensions. The same day will see a national strike by the 300,000 members of the PCS union, which represents civil servants and is led by hardline Leftwinger Mark Serwotka. An even bigger dispute may follow in the autumn once the 1.4million members of Unison, the largest public sector union, have been balloted for industrial action. Unison’s leader Dave Prentis warns that such a strike will be a “longer term” stoppage rather than just a one-day event. The union certainly has the money for such a battle, it has already built up a fighting fund of £30million for its campaign.

 

The mood of militancy now seems infectious, the anti-Government rhetoric ever more embittered. Members of the RMT transport union, led by notorious bully boy Bob Crow, are gearing up for yet another walk-out on the London underground, this time over the rights of a sacked train driver. Similarly the GMB’s uncompromising leader Paul Kenny declared that the coalition would soon face “the biggest civil disobedience campaign” of modern times. For all their expressions of regret over the huge inconvenience caused to the public by the strikes union bosses relish the thought of confrontation with the Government. They see themselves as the heroic tribunes of people taking on the wicked Tories.

 

Yet their self-image as the representatives of the oppressed masses is as utterly fallacious as their outdated rhetoric. What we are really hearing is the squeal of vested professional interests who sense that their generously subsidised world of cosy privilege is under threat. The trade unions are not the voice of the people but of the feather bedded public sector payroll. State employees, who make up the vast majority of members in the six million strong trade union movement, generally enjoy better pay, job security, conditions, holidays and pensions compared with their private sector counterparts.

 

Average hourly wages for public workers are a third higher than for those in the commercial world. In the same vein 85 per cent of state employees are in a pension scheme, compared with just 35 per cent of private jobholders. This injustice is compounded by the fact that so much of our taxation goes to propping up the gold-plated pensions of ex-public employees. A quarter of all council tax revenue is spent on the retirement of former municipal workers, while the total bill for ex-teachers’ pensions is expected to reach £10billion by 2015, far more than we spend on prisons or universities.

 

That is why it is so absurd of the trade unions to keep bleating about equality when in truth they jealously guard a gigantic job protection racket. They are deluding themselves if they think the mainstream British public supports their planned industrial action. Most taxpayers are fed up with the gross injustice of having to fork out for privileges of the state workforce that they do not enjoy themselves. When Serwotka wails about “ absolute daylight robbery” over pensions he could have been talking of the way most of us are fleeced to pay the generous retirement packages of ex-civil servants.

 

So if David Cameron stands firm against the self-serving, irresponsible unions he will have the backing of most of the country. The coalition must stand firm in this case. There is too much at stake to surrender. If ministers cave in at the first sign of discontent from the unions then it will become impossible to implement the cuts programme that is vitally needed to reduce the fiscal deficit and restore some sanity to our public finances. If the unions triumph then our debts will worsen, interest rates will have to rise and taxes will increase. The status quo is simply unaffordable. Moreover the Government cannot avoid the urgent need to reform the public sector because at present it is simply not meeting the needs of our nation despite record spending.

 

Thanks partly to the malign influence of the trade unions, the state machine is woefully inefficient, riddled with huge bureaucracies and outdated practices. A sense of entitlement prevails, reflected in the scandalously high levels of sick leave in the public sector. Yet even within the public sector the unions are not nearly as popular as they think. Turnouts in strike ballots are pitifully low. Just 27 per cent of NUT members took part in the recent vote on industrial action, while in the PCS vote only 32.4 per cent of members participated.

 

There is no justification for any strike which is unsupported by the vast majority of the members. Instead of showing nervousness in the face of hostility the coalition should pass legislation which stipulates that a strike will only be lawful if two-thirds of union members have taken part in the ballot. At a stroke the unrepresentative nature of the unions would be exposed and the real interests of the public protected.

[Section_31]

Interesting to see the Greeks saying that they aren't having the transparent bullshit that is being pulled. One might hope for a little of the Arab spring to hit Europe. Reminded me a little of the people in the US that are just flat-out refusing to leave their homes after their had been attacked by the financial faudsters. Smacks of people saying "The game is rigged and I'm not playing anymore". If enough people say it then either there will be a change of direction of a more forceful boot will fall. I know where my money is.

 

By the way, as I type there are people who are investing as much time and money as they can on ruining the economies of Southern Europe, and gambling on that outcome for their own benefit. Hardly a wonder people take to the streets, is it?

 

Shit's fucked up yo.

 

I think some kind of arab spring shit will hit southern Europe. Greece, Portugal at first, probably spreading to Spain and maybe driving up into France. I think we'll be among the last to go, basically because too many of us have mortgages. As Tyler says 'it's only when you've lost everything, that you're free to do anything.'

[dennis tooth]

Yeah they loading their guns with that article the rich. Cant be arsed to find the author of that turd but he will have previous and be on the mod payroll in some respect.

They know its coming, fooled a lot of people once but they wont allow their kids to be fooled the same way. Next time they come running to get another war going itll be the boys in government who cried wolf.