Tory Country

[razor]

As for the working class being right wing, you only have to look at the nature of the best selling newspaper amongst the C2, D, E classifications of the populous to realise she was right.

 

The smartest move Thatcher made was to privatise the nationalised utilities.

 

She knew she was tapping into the masses' aspirational desires. She created the culture and she then gave the opportunity. So when working class people had hold of 50 shares in British Gas which they paid 200 quid for, and were given the information in their daily newspaper that those horrible Labour lot would take the shares (plus the 50 quid profit they would make from owning them) away from them, they knew who to vote for.

 

Anyway, a case in point. This man DOES exist in a street near you:

 

 

Most people want what's best for themselves. If that's the reason people vote Labour then I still like them more than those who want the best for themselves and vote Tory or Tory-lite.

[piscinin]

Thoughts?

 

My family moved from Scotland in the sixties. My dad maintained socialism in scotland was a working class movement and in the south east of england anyway, it was an academic movement.

[RedRazor]

Something I've been thinking about for a while and wondered what other people's thoughts are?

 

Watching an episode of Questiontime the other week and Germaine Greer said something along the lines of how Thatcher realised the working class of England weren't left wing, but right wing.

 

I mentioned this to a Scottish mate of mine who's involved with the SNP and he agreed with her. He reckoned the reason was that the English working class still felt they were beneficiaries of the 'age of Empire', even though they weren't, whereas the Irish, Scottish and Welsh working class didn't, which is why they had more left wing views.

 

I suppose in a more basic, vulgar sense this comes across in football, and when you go abroad, and the English - regardless of where they're from or even their class - CAN have a sense of smug, misplaced self-superiority.

 

It got me wondering whether 'left wing' has ever truly existed in England. My uncle used to tell me how he could never get a job down the docks or Ford in the 70s and 80s because the unions had made it 'jobs for the boys', and that if you were nobody's son you were pretty much fucked - which made me wonder, are unions only militant when it suits their own personal gain? Do they really take action for the betterment of their fellow workers and their community, or do they only do it when their individual pockets or their kids' employment prospects are threatened? Are they right wing but only left when it suits them?

 

The left wing as we know it now is basically just a lazy term for the liberal middle class isn't it?

 

Thoughts?

 

Another good post Sec.

 

Posted this link Mapping Britain: Size matters | The Economist in response to your very blue map in the OP. This shows the country with each seat shown in equal size. It also indicates the level of majority attained in each seat by the hue of the colour. Nowherere near as bleak/blue as yours. Hopefully it will cheer your Fathers Day.

 

I think you have to remember that a huge number of people in this country have no, or very little, interest in politics. They either do not vote at all or will vote in the family tradition without any real thought about the issues of the day.

 

Of those that do have an interest most I believe are swayed hugely by the media and are easily capable of swinging from right to left and back again. (and the election of Blair in 1997 was a swing to the left even if the reality of what New Labour delivered was not)

 

My view is that most of the electorate just want a fair society. They want to know that the young and disadvantaged are cared for, that we have a decent health service and education system and so on. If we have this then a government of any colour will be perceived as doing a good job. If they step too far away from the norm in meeting these basic needs (in either direction) they don't get re-elected.

[Strontium]

Something I've been thinking about for a while and wondered what other people's thoughts are?

 

Watching an episode of Questiontime the other week and Germaine Greer said something along the lines of how Thatcher realised the working class of England weren't left wing, but right wing.

 

I mentioned this to a Scottish mate of mine who's involved with the SNP and he agreed with her. He reckoned the reason was that the English working class still felt they were beneficiaries of the 'age of Empire', even though they weren't, whereas the Irish, Scottish and Welsh working class didn't, which is why they had more left wing views.

 

I suppose in a more basic, vulgar sense this comes across in football, and when you go abroad, and the English - regardless of where they're from or even their class - CAN have a sense of smug, misplaced self-superiority.

 

It got me wondering whether 'left wing' has ever truly existed in England. My uncle used to tell me how he could never get a job down the docks or Ford in the 70s and 80s because the unions had made it 'jobs for the boys', and that if you were nobody's son you were pretty much fucked - which made me wonder, are unions only militant when it suits their own personal gain? Do they really take action for the betterment of their fellow workers and their community, or do they only do it when their individual pockets or their kids' employment prospects are threatened? Are they right wing but only left when it suits them?

 

The left wing as we know it now is basically just a lazy term for the liberal middle class isn't it?

 

Thoughts?

 

 

I think a lot of people are left wing for right wing reasons.

 

For instance, unions are there to protect the wages of their members. Not the wages of every working person in the country - just the ones they represent. That is selfish behaviour however you want to cut it.

 

They can make noise about how everyone should be in a union or whatever, but the fact remains that unions concern themselves with the economic implications for their membership, and not the macroeconomic implications which impact on everyone else (this isn't meant as a criticism by the way).

 

I've found Liverpool to be one of the most (small c) conservative places in the country, and of course the Conservatives were the dominant political force in Liverpool until the 50s/60s. At the moment, Liverpool's conservatism manifests itself as rigid support for Labour political ideals that ceased to meaningfully exist two decades ago.

[VladimirIlyich]

 

I think a lot of people are left wing for right wing reasons.

 

For instance' date=' unions are there to protect the wages of their members. Not the wages of every working person in the country - just the ones they represent. That is selfish behaviour however you want to cut it.

 

They can make noise about how everyone should be in a union or whatever, but the fact remains that unions concern themselves with the economic implications for their membership, and not the macroeconomic implications which impact on everyone else (this isn't meant as a criticism by the way).

 

I've found Liverpool to be one of the most (small c) conservative places in the country, and of course the Conservatives were the dominant political force in Liverpool until the 50s/60s. At the moment, Liverpool's conservatism manifests itself as rigid support for Labour political ideals that ceased to meaningfully exist two decades ago.[/quote']

 

Unions fight for all the workers and not just their members. Pay grades and t's and c's are established and fought for by unions but are enjoyed by all the workers, union members and non union members. Hell, even agency and temporary workers enjoy the same benefits as union members in a few better managed companies.

[Strontium]

Unions fight for all the workers and not just their members.

 

 

Tell it to the millions of ordinary working people who are paying for my pension.

[bigbak]

I've always thought the working classes were mostly Tories. In comes from them working for a living and not liking their taxes going to what they class as the feckless.

 

Down this way, the only Socialists are those of the champagne type who have a hatred for the rich and want to help those in relative poverty. As long as they don't live in the same street. They also like the cosmpolitan streets where they have different nationality coffee shops and the like. As long as Johnny Foreigner doesn't go where they socialise other than to serve them.

There are also the students who campaign against the money spent on war, but they're mostly militant.

[Skidfingers McGonical]

Unions fight for all the workers and not just their members. Pay grades and t's and c's are established and fought for by unions but are enjoyed by all the workers, union members and non union members. Hell, even agency and temporary workers enjoy the same benefits as union members in a few better managed companies.

 

PCS never when I was getting made redundant. They only offered to get involved on my behalf if I joined up. Even though they were representing two others in our office they still wouldn't take requests via existing members on our behalf.

 

Add to the fact that they knew there was a possibility of redundancy 3 months prior to us finding out they just sat back until a month before we were due to go. They used it as a sales pitch, coming into meetings getting the staff all riled promising this and that, and when it came to it, they did fuck all for their own members, never mind us. People signed up on the back of them doing a bit of chest thumping. Promised the earth those people were, just so this union rep could sign up more members.

 

I challenged the union rep that came in to "aid us in our hour of need" as to why he said PCS were going to xyz, and in the reality of it they had no intention at all.

 

17 times I asked him and 17 times he danced around the answer until he eventually slipped up that it was merely a new member sign up campaign. I will never trust a union rep again. Not all union reps are like that or even some higher up, but the unions are all about what they can get first for themselves and their mates in my honest opinion. they don't serve for the purpose they used to. Which is a great shame.

[VladimirIlyich]

 

PCS never when I was getting made redundant. They only offered to get involved on my behalf if I joined up. Even though they were representing two others in our office they still wouldn't take requests via existing members on our behalf.

 

Add to the fact that they knew there was a possibility of redundancy 3 months prior to us finding out they just sat back until a month before we were due to go. They used it as a sales pitch' date=' coming into meetings getting the staff all riled promising this and that, and when it came to it, they did fuck all for their own members, never mind us. People signed up on the back of them doing a bit of chest thumping. Promised the earth those people were, just so this union rep could sign up more members.

 

I challenged the union rep that came in to "aid us in our hour of need" as to why he said PCS were going to xyz, and in the reality of it they had no intention at all.

 

17 times I asked him and 17 times he danced around the answer until he eventually slipped up that it was merely a new member sign up campaign. I will never trust a union rep again. Not all union reps are like that or even some higher up, but the unions are all about what they can get first for themselves and their mates in my honest opinion. they don't serve for the purpose they used to. Which is a great shame.[/quote']

 

Its a shame that some Unions have gone down this road but its hardly surprising the way Unions have been treated, classic divide and conquer tactics have hit them hardest in the workplace.

 

Thing is that unions are only as good as their members and so many people nowadays couldnt give a fuck about anybody but themselves that they dont join unions any more.

Im sure there are both good and bad examples of unions but the power of unions is only as strong as the workers in them and this is becoming less and less.

Another Thatcher success story.

[KopOut]

I don't give a flying fuck whether it's the left or the right, Labour or Tory (or in our case National Party NZ).

 

When politicians talk about having less money to spend, they are being disingenuous. It would be more honest to tell voters that they have put voluntary constraints on freedom to act in the public interest, restraints which only benefit the financial elites.

 

This insistence that the availability of money limits public action stands reality on its head. Money is the way that resources are mobilised. Keynes, writing in 1928, described leaving resources idle for lack of money as imbecile.

 

Ah what the hell - probably the wrong thread.

[RedRazor]

Its a shame that some Unions have gone down this road but its hardly surprising the way Unions have been treated, classic divide and conquer tactics have hit them hardest in the workplace.

 

Thing is that unions are only as good as their members and so many people nowadays couldnt give a fuck about anybody but themselves that they dont join unions any more.

Im sure there are both good and bad examples of unions but the power of unions is only as strong as the workers in them and this is becoming less and less.

Another Thatcher success story.

 

We will have to agree to differ on this one Vlad. My view is that they were masters of their own downfall.

 

By the 1970s unions had evolved into something that went way beyond their purpose. A number of the large and most powerful unions had been taken over by people with extreme left views and were trying to use that power to shape the country in the way that they wanted. The tactics they employed at time were unpleasant and did not sit well with large parts of their own membership. It was no surprise, therefore, that when Thatcher opened the doors millions ran through it. These were the same unions that had turned on Jim Callaghan a couple of years beforehand.

[dennis tooth]

http://johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/tory-council-sends-out-insulting-christmas-card/

[stringvest]

I'm waiting for Usher's version of that card.

[stringvest]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

[General Dryness]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

 

Hahahahahaha worracunt.

[Benjamin Freedman]

Anyone who is politically interested should give serious consideration to the possibility the west is controlled by globalist mafia and has been for over a century now. These mafia are systematically ethnically and culturally cleansing most white nations and promoting conservative Islamic values alongside liberal values as they seek conflict by design.

Forget left vs right. It is a facade that dupes the weak of mind. Yes, they vary on some policies but on all the major ones they are identical. 

Another thing to give serious consideration to is the paedophiles used by the mafia to carry out their agendas. With so many getting caught they are placing their own directly to the top seat which is why Cameron who comes from a family of international Jewish bankers and Miliband from Jewish immigrants as their plans for the goyim and global hegemony sees them rule over labour and tory.

For all those labour supporters on here, of which there are no doubt a few ask yourelves why you support a party that openly states there is no such race as the English and that if the English are a race they are not worth saving. Ask yourselves why you support a party who instead of punishing the bankers for malpractice and fraud, joined with them and robbed the masses some more. Why do you support political parties that sacrifice our brave men and women of our armed forces at the behest of globalist mafia?

Under labour grooming gangs were covered up. This cover up did not entail media censorship but went much further in police and social services turning a blind eye. If you haven't ever seen a no go sharia zone don't worry, keep voting labour and you'll have them soon enough. The man who oversaw the negligent manslaughters at the Stafford trust was promoted to the top job in the NHS under labour. Labour sent search parties out abroad advertising British jobs, thousands of them. They legislated into law making discrimination in employment fine so long as it is white people and only white people being discriminated against. They called this positive discrimination.

I could write for hours and hours about the crimes of politicians of liblabcon but I shall desist now as I hope you get the picture.

Don't mistake me for a Tory as they're equally bad. Just look a little deeper for the beast cometh and it's your descendants who inherit the nation we bequeath unto them and so long as the masses idle on by in their apathetic stupor and dumbed down distractions of the vacuously trivial there is little hope. I have read many comments on here. I understand them and once upon a time I would have echoed their sentiments. However, I came to realise it is predominantly bullshit from culturally influenced prejudices and none of the mainstream parties have represented the natives for over a century now. 

[stringvest]

"Dennis, your mate's at the door.  He wants to know if you want to go out and play.  Make sure you're back in time for tea".

[General Dryness]

[Croque Monsieur]

Nurse, the screens!

[Fugitive]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

[stringvest]

Which one is Stig's lodger?

[VladimirIlyich]

Has that BNP fella re-registered on the site.

[Lee909]

[lifetime fan]

You had Nadine Dorries on QT blaming the floods on immigration.

[Lee909]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-25793358

 

 

The founding member of the British Tea party