Donald Trump

[Section_31]

What I find grimly interesting about Trump is that he's actually a mirror to what's shit about us as a species. 

 

I remember someone describing Hitler once as utterly unremarkable, not especially intelligent, yet he had a predatory sixth sense and instinct of how to appeal to our base instincts as people and rouse a mob. Sound familiar? 

 

One thing he's always been good it as self publicity, he knows how to work the press and via the press how to work the crowd. He's a WWF wrestler in a suit. 

[Trumo]

16 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Wait til you see how worked up this fella gonna get when they tell him he needs to wear a mask.

 

Epic.

 

 

 

 

You have to sell the idea to him.

 

 

"It's the best of the best Mr President. Obama said in the New York Times that they offer no protection at all against the virus, but Kanye and Kim said they're 'the shizzle'."

[Jairzinho]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

What I find grimly interesting about Trump is that he's actually a mirror to what's shit about us as a species. 

 

I remember someone describing Hitler once as utterly unremarkable, not especially intelligent, yet he had a predatory sixth sense and instinct of how to appeal to our base instincts as people and rouse a mob. Sound familiar? 

 

One thing he's always been good it as self publicity, he knows how to work the press and via the press how to work the crowd. He's a WWF wrestler in a suit. 

 

Biden is looking well.

 

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

What I find grimly interesting about Trump is that he's actually a mirror to what's shit about us as a species. 

 

I remember someone describing Hitler once as utterly unremarkable, not especially intelligent, yet he had a predatory sixth sense and instinct of how to appeal to our base instincts as people and rouse a mob. Sound familiar? 

 

One thing he's always been good it as self publicity, he knows how to work the press and via the press how to work the crowd. He's a WWF wrestler in a suit. 

This is only since the MAGA thing.

 

One of the main reasons he hates the press is because he was always portrayed as a bit of a boob during his NYC heyday - it is also one of the reasons he has a hard on for Cuomo. He donated money to both Mario and Andrew Cuomo's election campaigns and thought they would worship him. They thought he was a charlatan, then and now.

He was never one of the cool kids, despite his inheritance, and it has eaten away at him.

 

Trump, a one-time frequent donor to Democrats, is now the nation's top Republican, while Cuomo made his opposition to Trump a key issue in his most recent reelection.

"Mr. Trump, I've known you for 30 years," Cuomo said during the run. "You may be a slick salesman who fooled many people in this country. But you didn't fool me."

[Section_31]

4 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

This is only since the MAGA thing.

 

One of the main reasons he hates the press is because he was always portrayed as a bit of a boob during his NYC heyday - it is also one of the reasons he has a hard on for Cuomo. He donated money to both Mario and Andrew Cuomo's election campaigns and thought they would worship him. They thought he was a charlatan, then and now.

He was never one of the cool kids, despite his inheritance, and it has eaten away at him.

 

Trump, a one-time frequent donor to Democrats, is now the nation's top Republican, while Cuomo made his opposition to Trump a key issue in his most recent reelection.

"Mr. Trump, I've known you for 30 years," Cuomo said during the run. "You may be a slick salesman who fooled many people in this country. But you didn't fool me."

I've read a few things about his early days in New York though that made it sound like him and the press worked hand in glove, he apparently used to phone newsdesks pretending to be someone else with gossip on Trump, they knew it was him but went with it anyway as it was newsworthy. He was like the progenitor of modern 'non celebrity'. The posh and Becks of his time, famous for fame's sake, but that in itself surely required some level of skill on his part? Or at least an instinctive understanding of how to market yourself in a flawed news society. 

[1892-LFCWasBorn]

 

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 famous for fame's sake, but that in itself surely required some level of skill on his part? Or at least an instinctive understanding of how to market yourself in a flawed news society. 

Notoriety is different than fame though, like fear to respect - he was never taken seriously much less respected. The coverage you are talking about were all like Page 6 articles in the Murdoch NY Post. 

 

This from one of the page 6 writers:

 

Also, Trump was so outrageous—and outrageously tacky—it was a constant temptation to write about his antics, particularly because he thought he was the height of sophistication.

[Section_31]

11 minutes ago, 1892-LFCWasBorn said:

 

 

 

 

[SasaS]

28 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

I've read a few things about his early days in New York though that made it sound like him and the press worked hand in glove, he apparently used to phone newsdesks pretending to be someone else with gossip on Trump, they knew it was him but went with it anyway as it was newsworthy. He was like the progenitor of modern 'non celebrity'. The posh and Becks of his time, famous for fame's sake, but that in itself surely required some level of skill on his part? Or at least an instinctive understanding of how to market yourself in a flawed news society. 

Posh and Becks were not famous for fame's sake. You are thinking of Paris Hilton.

[TheHowieLama]

2 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Wait til you see how worked up this fella gonna get when they tell him he needs to wear a mask.

 

Epic.

 

 

 

This is gonna be great - images of Balotelli wrestling to get his training bib on.

 

 

BREAKING/NEW: Face coverings now mandatory at the U.S. Capitol, per new guidance from the Architect of the Capitol.

This according to a Senate source.

Guidance applies to everyone. Does not name them, but that would include lawmakers. (This will be new for most senators.)

[TheBitch]

On 24/03/2020 at 23:02, Captain Turdseye said:

This is great. 
 

 

I'll never get bored of these, screw what @aRdja says.

[Captain Turdseye]

30 minutes ago, TheBitch said:

I'll never get bored of these, screw what @aRdja says.

Bet you he doesn’t even smile at this. 
 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

18 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Bet you he doesn’t even smile at this. 
 

 

 

I heard he had done just one weed.

 

Weed. Not even once.

[Bjornebye]

1. "It's a tough deal. It was a bad, bad level. That was a bad group. That's as high as it gets. It was bad grouping of tornadoes. Something that's something incredible, the power."

The President of the United States on devastating tornadoes that ripped through the South: "That was a bad group. That's as high as it gets." And away we go!

 

2. "So we have the biggest economy, the greatest economy we have ever had, the highest employment numbers, the best employment numbers, best unemployment numbers, also, the best of everything."

 

Trump says that the economy was the best in the history of the country all the time. Which (still) doesn't make it true. Oh, and also, we had the "best of everything."

 

3. "And I said, China, you can't come in, I'm sorry, because I saw what was going on. It wasn't so much what I was told. It was that I saw what was going on. And I didn't like it."

 

See, no expert told Trump to limit travel from China earlier this year. He just knew -- because, smart -- to do it. 

 

4. "But sort of I have been brutalized for the last four years. I used to do well, before I decided to run for politics. But I guess I'm doing OK, because, to the best of my knowledge, I'm the President of the United States, despite the things that are said."

 

This amounts to Trump telling the media that he is president and they're not. So, yeah.

 

5. "But the people from [Joe Biden's] campaign, who are smart -- people that write those little P.R. releases are pretty smart, reasonably good, not the best, but they're not bad."

 

"Pretty good, not bad, I can't complain." -- John Prine 

 

6. "And so the story in The New York Times was a total fake. It's a fake newspaper, and they write fake stories."

 

The New York Times story was based almost entirely on documents and emails, not anonymous quotes. So, did someone fake all those internal memos and emails?

 

7. "Now, with that, I have a couple of interesting -- we have a few clips that we're just going to put up. We could turn the lights a little bit lower. I think you will find them interesting."

 

At this point, the President of the United States ran a propaganda reel/campaign ad touting how great he has done on dealing with the coronavirus. It ran on the White House grounds while Trump was in his official role as President of the United States. If you don't have a problem with that, you aren't paying attention.

 

8. "So, we could give you hundreds of clips like that from governors, including Democratic, or Democrat, as I call them, governors, which is actually the correct term."

 

"Democrat" is not actually the "correct term." The word "Democrat" is a noun and, therefore can't be used to describe a party. "Democratic" is an adjective -- and can. The reason Trump says "Democrat" Party isn't because of grammar, of course, it's because he (and many other Republicans) don't like the idea of people perceiving their opponents as the "democratic" ones.

 

9. "But I just want to say, it's -- it's very sad when people write false stories, like, in that case, I guess it was gotten mostly from The New York Times, which is a highly -- I mean, if you had libel laws, they would have been out of business even before they will end up going out of business."

 

You'll notice here that Trump never makes clear what, specifically, is wrong with the Times story. Because, well, he doesn't have anything. Also, it can be true that some governors (even moist governors!) praised Trump at some point during this crisis and there were early warning signs missed and slow response when it comes to testing.

 

10. "They're not able to fill the beds. They needed two hospitals. We built one. It was perfect."

 

What does the "perfect" building of a hospital actually look like? Your guess is as good as mine.

 

11. "But nobody's asking for ventilators."

 

"The ventilator shortage is here. The medication shortage is next." -- Washington Post, April 9

 

12. "I heard it was, like, just a perfect phone call."

 

This is Trump talking about a call he and Vice President Mike Pence had with governors on Monday. This is, at least, the second perfect phone call Trump has been part of since becoming president. The first, obviously, was his July 2019 call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

 

13. "The press has not treated these incredible people, who've done such a great job, they haven't treated them fairly.

They're way off."

 

If you think that Trump is upset because he thinks the media hasn't treated health care workers fairly, I've got a blood testing company called Theranos that I think you might be interested in buying.

 

14. "I could give you -- I will bet you I have over 100 more clips even better than them. They were just pieced together over the last two hours. That was just -- oh, we have far better than that. That's nothing compared to some of them."

 

You think that propaganda video was good? Man, you should have seen what we could have done!

 

15. "Some people wish we never closed it down. Now, if we didn't, we would have lost hundreds of thousands of people."

 

This is a classic straw man argument by Trump. Name someone who, in any position of power or influence, said that the country should not enact social distancing protocols to protect from the rampaging virus? All Trump is doing here is creating himself as some sort of visionary hero because he did a thing that no one was saying not to do. Yes, it is true that millions of people could have been infected -- or even died -- if the federal and states governments had not acted. But inaction like that was never even considered.

 

16. "We did the right thing. Everything we did was right."

 

"Everything we did was right." OK. Got it.

 

17. "Governors should have had ventilators. They chose not to have them."

 

So, any initial or current ventilator shortages are due to governors not adequately preparing for this pandemic. The big takeaway here? Donald Trump did nothing wrong. In fact, "everything we did was right."

 

18. "Let's get back to the regular -- should we get back to the regular?"

 

I mean, sure, I like the regular. Who doesn't?

 

19. "I retweeted somebody. I don't know."

 

Honestly, same.

 

20. "Yes, I notice everything."

 

[gets out calculator, press a series of buttons] Yeah, chief -- his story checks out.

 

21. "Not everybody's happy with everybody."

 

"Not everybody's happy with everybody: The Chris Cillizza Story."

 

22. "We have done a job, the likes of which nobody's ever done, the mobilization, getting of equipment, all of the things we have done. Nobody's ever done a job like this."

 

Trump is absolutely obsessed with always being the biggest and the best. The best response to a global pandemic. The biggest hurricanes. The, uh, highest tornadoes?

 

23. "We have 50 governors and territories, by the way. People don't ever mentioned that. We have territories. We have 50 governors and territories."

 

People don't mention that we have a governor for every state? Really? It feels like people domention that.

 

24. "I don't mind controversy. I think controversy is a good thing, not a bad thing."

 

This is a real insight into who Trump actually is: A provocateur. He has been his entire life. He loves controversy because it means publicity. And failure for Trump isn't bad press, it's no press.

 

25. "There are a lot of people that would have said, let's ride it out."

 

Again, I ask, who? Who, in any sort of prominent medical or political position was saying that federal and state government should do nothing to deal with the spread of the coronavirus?

 

26. "You're so -- you're so -- you're so disgraceful. It's so disgraceful, the way you said that."

 

What horrible thing did a reporter say to elicit such a reaction from Trump? 

This: "What did you do with that time that you bought? The argument is that you bought yourself some time, and you didn't use it to prepare hospitals, you didn't use it to ramp up testing. Right now, nearly 20 million people are unemployed. Tens of thousands of Americans are dead." 

Those, last time I checked, are facts.

 

27. "We have done this right. And we really -- we really have done this right."

 

"Everything we did was right."

 

28. "We're going to tell you about other things that we have done right."

 

Let me tell you again how great I am.

 

29. "We have millions of doses that we bought and many people are using it all over the country. And just recently a friend of mine told me he got better because of the use of that drug. So who knows?"

 

I feel like this is obvious but I'll say it anyway: It is deeply irresponsible for the President to tout hydroxychloroquine's ability to effectively treat coronavirus because "a friend" took it and got better. That's anecdotal, not statistical, analysis. But, who knows?

 

30. "I've been having many discussions with my team and top experts and we're very close to completing a plan to open our country hopefully even ahead of schedule."

 

This would mean that Trump would re-open the country before May 1. Virtually every infectious disease expert has suggested doing so would lead to a second bump in coronavirus cases nationally.

 

31. "Let me just say, very simply, I will put it very simply -- the president of the United States has the authority to do what the president has the authority to do which is very powerful. The president of the United States calls the shots."

 

So, here's the thing. There's a thing called the Constitution. Pretty important document. And in there's a whole separation of powers thing and, well, the 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

 

32. "But no, [governors] can't do anything without the approval of the president of the United States."

 

Simply not true.

 

33. "When somebody is the president of the United States, the authority is total. And that's the way it's got to be."

 

This statement should terrify every single person in this country.

 

34. "The authority of the president of the United States having to do with the subject we're talking about is total."

 

It just isn't. Trump cannot rescind executive orders made by governors in states related to school closures or stay-at-home orders. Also, isn't Trump a Republican? And didn't Republicans build their party on a limited federal government and expansive state governments? Doesn't anyone notice this? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

 

35. "I think I took -- I think I took my own advice on the ban. I don't know."

 

I am absolutely going to start saying "I think I took my own advice" when someone asks me how I arrived at a decision.

 

36. "What we inherited from the previous administration was totally broken, which somebody should eventually say, not only were the cupboards bare, as I say, but we inherited broken testing; now we have great testing."

 

To be clear: Coronavirus is an entirely new disease for humans. So it is literally impossible for the last administration to have had tests for it -- broken or otherwise.

 

37. "We're going to write up papers on this. It's not going to be necessary, because the governors need us, one way or the other. Because ultimately it comes with the federal government."

 

There, in fact, have already been papers written up on why the President doesn't have "total" authority. It's called the Constitution. And, specifically, the 10th Amendment.

 

38. "We've been ripped off by everybody. And we have -- this country, for so many years has been ripped off by everybody, whether it's a World Health or World Trade. They're like, I call them, they're Bobbsey Twins."

 

The Bobbsey Twins -- two set of twins, actually -- are fictional characters who were first featured in a novel entitled 'The Bobbsey Twins; or, Merry Days Indoors and Out." It came out in 1904.

39. "You're going to see. I don't want to tell you now, but right now, we have a very strong indication that we know pretty much, we have some good ideas."

 

"We know pretty much." Yeah, this feels like a good place to end.

[SasaS]

[Jennings]

4 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Biden is looking well.

 

 

That was fucking ace! What happened next? 

 

That Vince fella should have taken the fight! He looks in pretty good shape. Very broad shoulders! There were actually a couple of chances for him to get the first dig in. And I would know, as second hardest on these forums.

[Bjornebye]

2 minutes ago, Jennings said:

 

That was fucking ace! What happened next? 

 

That Vince fella should have taken the fight! He looks in pretty good shape. Very broad shoulders! There were actually a couple of chances for him to get the first dig in. And I would know, as second hardest on these forums.

Vince has always been a huge bastard 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Watching the news before and he seems to be at odds with a few people on what he is and isn't allowed to do. Apparently, there's something in the constitution that he seems unaware of.

 

Coronavirus: Trump feuds with governors over authority

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52274969

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

Watching the news before and he seems to be at odds with a few people on what he is and isn't allowed to do. Apparently, there's something in the constitution that he seems unaware of.

 

Coronavirus: Trump feuds with governors over authority

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52274969

#kingtrump is a funny trend on twitter right now. 

[TheHowieLama]

42 minutes ago, Jennings said:

 

That Vince fella should have taken the fight! He looks in pretty good shape. 

That was at the height of his steroid use.

[Dougie Do'ins]

He's due out for his press conference any minute now.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Dougie Do'ins said:

He's due out for his press conference any minute now.

They will just be putting the batteries in 

[Dougie Do'ins]

He's going after the WHO now.

[Dougie Do'ins]

He's ripping right into the WHO. Instructing his administration to withhold funding.

[Anubis]

11 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

They will just be putting the batteries in