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3 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:


Over on GOT they’re already talking like they’ll be restricted to loans and out of contract players, with the odd link to older players in the £3m-£5m range. 
 

Meanwhile…

 

 

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In the real world (looking at last summer's transfers) £125m will get you Gvardiol plus Pedro Porro, Max Aarons and £1m change.  I think those three would strengthen a team's defence more than Branthwaite would.

 

Instead of Calvert-Lewin, the £60m could be spent on Jeremy Doku with change for Raul Jimenez.

 

Instead of Onana, £80m (plus the £1m change from above) could add Alexis Mac Allister, Granit Xhaka and Mateo Kovacic to your midfield.

 

And instead of wasting £60m on Pickford, you could get Robert Sanchez with Bart Verbruggen, Mark Flekken and Matt Turner as back-up.

 

Notwithstanding the existence of Chelsea, I don't think anyone is going to pay those sort of prices.

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9 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

In the real world (looking at last summer's transfers) £125m will get you Gvardiol plus Pedro Porro, Max Aarons and £1m change.  I think those three would strengthen a team's defence more than Branthwaite would.

 

Instead of Calvert-Lewin, the £60m could be spent on Jeremy Doku with change for Raul Jimenez.

 

Instead of Onana, £80m (plus the £1m change from above) could add Alexis Mac Allister, Granit Xhaka and Mateo Kovacic to your midfield.

 

And instead of wasting £60m on Pickford, you could get Robert Sanchez with Bart Verbruggen, Mark Flekken and Matt Turner as back-up.

 

Notwithstanding the existence of Chelsea, I don't think anyone is going to pay those sort of prices.

 

And surely even chelsea aren't paying those prices in a fire sale. It's a similar market that allowed us to get harry kewell years ago for 5m and Alan smith to Leeds biggest rivals for 7m. And they were players who'd been playing champions league football and not some bums who just avoid relegation every year. If the players know where they want to go, that'll push the fees down even lower. This isn't just a question of them of the selling to meet ffp, I think they'd happily take their chances with that when they're only being deducted 2pts per season. This is about them staying solvent. And the need will be to get the wages off the bill every bit as much as the fees coming in. 

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14 hours ago, Captain Turdseye said:


Over on GOT they’re already talking like they’ll be restricted to loans and out of contract players, with the odd link to older players in the £3m-£5m range. 
 

Meanwhile…

 

 

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Beautiful. Not far off the "slap the money on the table" effort from SteveO, but a lovely effort that will nicely bookend the Mosh era with that post.

 

For what it's worth:

  • Calvert-Lewin is a decent striker who's comfortable leading the line on his own, but he's not a reliable goalscorer, should be coming into his prime but is never fit for more than 40% of the season. They'll get buyers, but anyone interested won't be paying much up front as Everton would want - they'd incentivise to fuck.
  • Doucoure is a handful and scores a few goals from midfield, but he'll be 32 next season and isn't good enough on the ball to play at a top side. They'll not be short of buyers, but it'll be promoted teams and the like, and they won't offer much. Certainly not £10m or more.
  • Keane and "Tarks" are no-nonsense defenders who look OK if they're just asked to head the ball away at the near post and sit on the edge of their area out of possession, but that's it. See Doucoure above.
  • Godfrey has been ruined by them and they hate him. They'd be lucky to get half that.
  • Onana seems to have interest but there's no way anyone is paying that much for him in a distressed market. Also they signed him for big money not long ago, so a wedge of anything they get for him will go to balancing the books for that transfer.
  • "Branners" is easily their most sellable asset - young, English etc., and a youth product so no book value, pure profit. But are they seriously suggesting that he's worth 66% more than the current world record transfer for a defender (Gvardiol to Manchester City for £75m)? They'll get a good price but it'll be caveated and incentivised.
  • Beto is fucking shite. Who the fuck is paying £20m for a 3 in 29 striker, for fucks sake!?
  • Pickford isn't half as good as they think he is, most of the top clubs are pretty sorted for a goalkeeper and they're the only ones who'd be paying anything like that kind of wedge for a goalkeeper. Their best hope is Chelsea, I reckon, and to be honest they might be stupid enough to pay £30m for him, even in a distressed market.

I fear for them, I really do.

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They’ll sell Onana, Branthwaite and maybe Pickford.

 

For maybe 45, 65 and 50-55, tops. 
 

That’s £150m though and should either pay off the debt on the stadium or massively improve their PSR. 
 

Then there’s the £450m owed to Moshiri and £220m to 777.

 

Before you think about replacing Dyche, installing a new coaching staff plus budget.

 

Just to stabilise around mid table. 
 

I’m looking forward to them then being asked to pay approaching what we pay, for big average football, at best. 
 

They’ve been paying buttons for decades. Keen to see how great they are when they’re dragged into the real world. 

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19 minutes ago, Bourbon said:

They’ll sell Onana, Branthwaite and maybe Pickford.

 

For maybe 45, 65 and 50-55, tops. 
 

That’s £150m though and should either pay off the debt on the stadium or massively improve their PSR. 
 

Then there’s the £450m owed to Moshiri and £220m to 777.

 

Before you think about replacing Dyche, installing a new coaching staff plus budget.

 

Just to stabilise around mid table. 
 

I’m looking forward to them then being asked to pay approaching what we pay, for big average football, at best. 
 

They’ve been paying buttons for decades. Keen to see how great they are when they’re dragged into the real world. 

putting aside pickford's ability, there's absolutely no way they are getting 50m for a 30 year old goalkeeper. 25m tops for him. 

 

they won't be paying off anything to moshiri, he has lost that and it is not secured. 777 are in the same boat and will only get it as it'll change to equiity should they complete the takeover, which they won't. 

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6 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

putting aside pickford's ability, there's absolutely no way they are getting 50m for a 30 year old goalkeeper. 25m tops for him. 

 

they won't be paying off anything to moshiri, he has lost that and it is not secured. 777 are in the same boat and will only get it as it'll change to equiity should they complete the takeover, which they won't. 


They paid £30m for him and have paid him a few mill a year, can’t see them losing money on England’s no 1 (ha!) in his prime. They’ll see a profit; I’ll split the difference with you and say £40m plus add on’s.

 

Its likely both moshiri and 777 are flushing bent cash through western books and the agreement will be to keep it off the books as unsecured but see something coming back as part of funding them - let’s say they do a deal on a % of it - people like them don’t move around cash like that for nothing. 
 

There is a world where Bell and Downing do get it at a fraction of the price plus write off a load of what’s owed, but it’s still a huge u retaking just to see them solid again.

 

That’s all without keeping their lot happy and as we know there’s none more deluded. 
 

It’s all been wonderful viewing. 

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46 minutes ago, Bourbon said:


They paid £30m for him and have paid him a few mill a year, can’t see them losing money on England’s no 1 (ha!) in his prime. They’ll see a profit; I’ll split the difference with you and say £40m plus add on’s.

 

Its likely both moshiri and 777 are flushing bent cash through western books and the agreement will be to keep it off the books as unsecured but see something coming back as part of funding them - let’s say they do a deal on a % of it - people like them don’t move around cash like that for nothing. 
 

There is a world where Bell and Downing do get it at a fraction of the price plus write off a load of what’s owed, but it’s still a huge u retaking just to see them solid again.

 

That’s all without keeping their lot happy and as we know there’s none more deluded. 
 

It’s all been wonderful viewing. 

in terms for their ownership going forward, it seems to me MSP and RMF hold all the cards. 

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33 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

in terms for their ownership going forward, it seems to me MSP and RMF hold all the cards. 


More fool’s Moshiri/Usmanov and 777 if they’ve played themselves into losing a combined £670m plus. 

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4 hours ago, Manny said:

Beautiful. Not far off the "slap the money on the table" effort from SteveO, but a lovely effort that will nicely bookend the Mosh era with that post.

 

For what it's worth:

  • Calvert-Lewin is a decent striker who's comfortable leading the line on his own, but he's not a reliable goalscorer, should be coming into his prime but is never fit for more than 40% of the season. They'll get buyers, but anyone interested won't be paying much up front as Everton would want - they'd incentivise to fuck.
  • Doucoure is a handful and scores a few goals from midfield, but he'll be 32 next season and isn't good enough on the ball to play at a top side. They'll not be short of buyers, but it'll be promoted teams and the like, and they won't offer much. Certainly not £10m or more.
  • Keane and "Tarks" are no-nonsense defenders who look OK if they're just asked to head the ball away at the near post and sit on the edge of their area out of possession, but that's it. See Doucoure above.
  • Godfrey has been ruined by them and they hate him. They'd be lucky to get half that.
  • Onana seems to have interest but there's no way anyone is paying that much for him in a distressed market. Also they signed him for big money not long ago, so a wedge of anything they get for him will go to balancing the books for that transfer.
  • "Branners" is easily their most sellable asset - young, English etc., and a youth product so no book value, pure profit. But are they seriously suggesting that he's worth 66% more than the current world record transfer for a defender (Gvardiol to Manchester City for £75m)? They'll get a good price but it'll be caveated and incentivised.
  • Beto is fucking shite. Who the fuck is paying £20m for a 3 in 29 striker, for fucks sake!?
  • Pickford isn't half as good as they think he is, most of the top clubs are pretty sorted for a goalkeeper and they're the only ones who'd be paying anything like that kind of wedge for a goalkeeper. Their best hope is Chelsea, I reckon, and to be honest they might be stupid enough to pay £30m for him, even in a distressed market.

I fear for them, I really do.

they have to give 35% of any sale of Onana to Lille.

 

Carlisle are due 10% (might be more) from any sale of Branners

 

and they haven’t paid a penny for Beto or chemitti yet so any income from Beto is going straight to the selling club

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Let's assume all those values are normally correct. Unfortunately it isn't 'normal', they'll be selling as a fire sale desperately trying to raise funds to survive. Clubs know this and will offer a fraction of the real value of any player they try to flog.

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1 hour ago, Barrington Womble said:

in terms for their ownership going forward, it seems to me MSP and RMF hold all the cards. 

Got to be more to whoevers financing 777. These surely know the score when dealing with bottom feeders and the Mosh has hardly shown himself to be able as some high roller in the casino.

 

Hope they’ve got a massive share of the eyesore on the shore and Josh wanders the long distant grandson of John Houlding.

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33 minutes ago, Bourbon said:


More fool’s Moshiri/Usmanov and 777 if they’ve played themselves into losing a combined £670m plus. 

the bottom line for that though has been the con trick they tried to pull for whatever reason i can never understand is that it was uzmanovs money. had he had his name over the door, the government would have treated them to the same white gloves treatment they gave to chelsea. 

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1 minute ago, clangers said:

Let's assume all those values are normally correct. Unfortunately it isn't 'normal', they'll be selling as a fire sale desperately trying to raise funds to survive. Clubs know this and will offer a fraction of the real value of any player they try to flog.

Has anyone even got any serious dough to spend this summer?

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5 minutes ago, Red74 said:

they have to give 35% of any sale of Onana to Lille.

 

Carlisle are due 10% (might be more) from any sale of Branners

 

and they haven’t paid a penny for Beto or chemitti yet so any income from Beto is going straight to the selling club

i hadn't realised branners wasn't through their academy. they talk about him like he is. 

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1 minute ago, Red74 said:

Got to be more to whoevers financing 777. These surely know the score when dealing with bottom feeders and the Mosh has hardly shown himself to be able as some high roller in the casino.

 

Hope they’ve got a massive share of the eyesore on the shore and Josh wanders the long distant grandson of John Houlding.

the stadium is owned by the club currently. but MSP had an option on the stadium or 50% +1 share in the club if they're not paid. the fact they didn't take their chance to take that last month is the interesting part there. our friend the esk covered it well last week. he is fucking loving this, you would think he was a red. 

 

https://theesk.org/2024/05/09/as-moshiri-faces-reality-what-happens-next-for-everton/

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