*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Total Longo]

I'm never confident going into a derby. Ever. Doesn't matter how they are doing, or how we are doing, i just can't bear the build up. 

[Faustus]

Dickhead day is how I refer to the derby. Just brings out the worst in that fringe of both supporters. The bantz and all that shite are just insufferable. It even gets on my tits how people who don't even like football will suddenly come out of the woodwork and chip away with stuff because they come from a family of reds or blues. It seems to have become a 'social event' in that respect in recent years and it just baffles me.

 

The worst thing is how so much of the day hinges on the game itself. A few years ago, me and my mate decided to head into town for a few scoops after the game. It was when Jagielka equalised in the last minute with that worldy and when we met up outside the ground afterwards, neither of us could be arsed with going out. It wasn't even so much the fact that we drew, more the manner of how it happened. Felt like one of those old school Tango ads, getting slapped around the chops.

[Paco]

It was the greatest celebration never seen - at least ever since Bayern Munich printed leaflets lfor the supporters before the European Cup semi-final second leg of 1981, advising their supporters how to get to Paris, where the final was taking place.

[Paco]

He's looking right at him when he misses then he slides on his knees and puts his hands out.

 

More indignation than celebration

[Red74]

you just know these soft cunts are gonna do another cringey play to the gallery shit PR stunt with this new ground don't you. Whether its having 1 extra seat more than us to say they're a bigger club, or seeing as the postcode will be Liverpool 3, they'll have to have Everton 4 in their address somewhere.

 

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Everton 4

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[Lee909]

Seeing as we have played all our big games and the bitters have been screwed by the league by having their big games later we will need to do well and play catch up to them having more points or something

[Sputnik1]

[G Richards]

Most Blues would say we are rubbish, or at least, not very good. They would be quick to point out the flaws in our side, etc. Conversely, they are quick to point out how good they are, and talk up the players and squad they now have, etc.

 

So how come one of the worst Liverpool sides we've seen is still ahead of such a good Everton side?

[Einch]

Because they are shit?

[Lee909]

Most Blues would say we are rubbish, or at least, not very good. They would be quick to point out the flaws in our side, etc. Conversely, they are quick to point out how good they are, and talk up the players and squad they now have, etc.

 

So how come one of the worst Liverpool sides we've seen is still ahead of such a good Everton side?

[jimmycase]

Most Blues would say we are rubbish, or at least, not very good. They would be quick to point out the flaws in our side, etc. Conversely, they are quick to point out how good they are, and talk up the players and squad they now have, etc.

 

So how come one of the worst Liverpool sides we've seen is still ahead of such a good Everton side?

 

They have no grasp of reality?

[liverpoolsno9]

 

There may well be something in that, well, not conspiracy, but certainly a media bias that started in the 60s and goes on to this very day, the fucking loons. There's a thread on this 'media conspiracy' over on GOT, there's a few decentish Blues who refuse to believe it but some of the posts on there are gold.

 

https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-media-conspiracy.95378/

 

 

 

There is not a 'media conspiracy' against us. The very word 'Conspiracy' suggests a secret plan to marginalise us.

 

What there is though is an unquestionable and highly visible bias against us. It dates back many years, if you know your history.

 

Its roots can be traced back to the days of Harry Catterick, when the mass media of the 1960s first started taking notice of football as mainstream entertainment and not just as sport. Bill Shankly embraced the media. Catterick shunned it. The media, naturally, then favoured covering Shankly.

 

Catterick won two league titles with two rebuilt sides, one FA Cup that featured one of the all time great cup final comebacks, and also reached another FA Cup Final in that time too. He rarely gets mentioned as a managerial great, whereas the likes of London-based managers who won far less often do.

 

Then you carry on into the 1970s, a barren time and yes under the RS shadow, but we still had Bob Latchford, another not fully lauded by the national media as a major striking star of the 1970s.

 

Into the 1980s, we won lots of trophies - the media famously calling us 'the team of no stars', a disrespectful put down whilst they rushed to a terrible Man Utd team's defence constantly, 1985 Cup Final the one exception.

 

Yes, the 1990s were crap. Unfortunately right at the time the Premier League started, the league we as one of the 'big 5' helped to create.

 

The 2000s though ensured there was no doubt of the bias.

 

From the constant daily stories selling Rooney for 18 months, spread by a journalist later sacked by his newspaper for his conflict of interests (he had shares in Stretford's agency and stood to gain financially from the transfers he was desperate to engineer).

 

The extremely high number of ex-Reds in the media who naturally are totally biased, not only to Liverpool but obviously arent going to praise Everton.

 

You have Mark Lawrenson on the BBC website giving predictions every week, a pundit who has tipped Everton to draw 17 times this season, twice as much as virtually every other team (he hates tipping us to win, whilst also never tipping Liverpool to lose one game all season). http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39270121

 

You have Danny Murphy calling us 'inconsistent' on MOTD on February 11th after we drew 1-1 at Middlesboro, when we actually lead the form table since January 1st, whilst he never says anything similar about Liverpool when they lose to Hull and Leicester but beat Spurs and Arsenal.

 

You have Matt Law of the Daily Telegraph (or possibly the Chelsea PR dept), who wrote daily BS about John Stones going to Chelsea through the summer of 2015.

 

You have the Daily Mirror, infamous for trying to sell Leighton Baines to Man Utd for 3 years solid, before they finally gave in when Utd basically became also-rans post-Fergie and under Moyes and LVG.

 

You have Sky, where the top 6 can become the top 7, the top 6 can become the top 5, the top 5 can become the top 4.... all based entirely on where Everton are in it, and more importantly where Man Utd and/or Liverpool are.

 

You have the Daily Mail, and the likes of Martin Samuel, who rushed to the defence of Bill Kenwright on many occasions over the year, nearly always when there was fan unrest threatening to boil over and cause Bill trouble. He also thinks Everton is less of a club than his beloved West Ham and has often written this.

 

You have Martin Lipton, formerly of the Mirror, who famously defended writing absolute fiction about Lukaku a few years back and the day after Everton had spent £28m on him, had the headline 'ROTTEN LUK' on the back of the Mirror, parroting Mourinho's briefing about how he only sold Lukaku because Rom had a 'terrible attitude', thus crapping on what was actually a massive transfer for us and a statement of intent.

 

You have the many reds in the media who patronise the hell out of us, the likes of smug Carragher and clueless Redknapp, constantly selling our players, claiming to know their plans personally.

 

There are unquestionable people in the media, typically London-based journos who support London teams, but also some Northern journos too who support Utd and Liverpool, who do not wish to write about us in a favourable light.

 

Just tonight there is Daniel Taylor from the Guardian - a Man Utd-supporting journo who wrote a gushing book on Sir Alex and who recently wrote a book on Notts Forest with a foreword from Mourinho - who's written a very critical article on Koeman claiming 'double standards' regarding his treatment of Lukaku. Besides the fact managers always want to keep their best players and there's a manager/player divide so 'double standards' never come into it. He's never written anything similar on any other high profile manager, least of all the two he loves in Fergie and Mourinho.

 

There is so much more that I could write, but I'll stop there because the point has been made. There is a media bias about Everton. MOTD showed that yet again tonight. Couldn't even be bothered to mention DCL's goal, Barkley's play and England call up, Davies/Gueye et al, so busy they were in pushing a sale of Lukaku.

 

Yes, the only way to stop this is to win things... in theory. As shown above, from history, even when we won things our media coverage was still below par. There is just inherent bias. Claiming there isn't and making fun of those who state there is, making people out to have unwarranted chips on shoulders shows an extreme lack of knowledge of history.

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[Paulie Dangerously]

 

 

You have Sky, where the top 6 can become the top 7, the top 6 can become the top 5, the top 5 can become the top 4.... all based entirely on where Everton are in it, and more importantly where Man Utd and/or Liverpool are.

 

Yeah you can imagine the scenes at Sky Sports Central

 

"Shit Everton are coming up to 7th!"

"Is that Europa?"

"Only if a set of results happen in cups"

"They're getting too close to Glory, lets cut it off at 6 today, that'll stop Messi signing"

 

Fucking hell 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

I've heard 'top 4' referring to the champions league spots and 'big/top 6' referring to the teams who'll likely be competing for the top 6. Everton aren't in either group. We're arguably in the 'top 6'. Who the fuck has ever heard of a top 7?

[G Richards]

If Everton won more and finished higher they would be talked about accordingly. As it stands they are a decent team with some good players, and they are talked about as such. No-one is going overboard either way. It's the way the media works. If there's something noteworthy it will be highlighted. 

 

Over to you Everton...

[jimmycase]

And they've had a run of decent fixtures (as everyone appears to have done this season) against lower teams. Their run in isnt as easy though starting with us.

[Harry Squatter]

I bought a book once from Waterston escort for my dad called the entire history of Liverpool FC. Some blue I know was in there and said "I bet the 1990s in that book are completely blank". I said "probably, bit like the 1970s, early 80s and since 1988 for Everton then".

[Sputnik1]

I bought a book once from Waterston escort for my dad called the entire history of Liverpool FC. Some blue I know was in there and said "I bet the 1990s in that book are completely blank". I said "probably, bit like the 1970s, early 80s and since 1988 for Everton then".

 

 

Well a leading expert on that book was there with you, you should have tested the facts in the book with him. 

[Curly]

Well a leading expert on that book was there with you, you should have tested the facts in the book with him.

I was going to say - he was probably the one who wrote it. All from memory!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

This "inherent media bias" against Everton goes back 50 years????

 

There is nobody still in the media now who was working then.  Are young football writers and commentators schooled by the old hands?

"Remember son (or daughter - this is the 21st century) whatever you do, never ever give any credit to Everton, because... well, actually, no reason - just don't do it."

[Trumo]

This "inherent media bias" against Everton goes back 50 years????

 

There is nobody still in the media now who was working then.  Are young football writers and commentators schooled by the old hands?

"Remember son (or daughter - this is the 21st century) whatever you do, never ever give any credit to Everton, because... well, actually, no reason - just don't do it."

 

Apart from Brian Glanville.

[The Golden Eel]

If Everton won more and finished higher they would be talked about accordingly. As it stands they are a decent team with some good players, and they are talked about as such. No-one is going overboard either way. It's the way the media works. If there's something noteworthy it will be highlighted.

 

Over to you Everton...

Exactly... Everyone loved Leicester last year; this season not so much. If you're relevant, the media will talk about you. Everton just aren't particularly relevant, as hard as that seems to be for some Everton fans to get their heads round.

[Harry Squatter]

One blue I know believes Everton's 1985 team are the best team.that English football has ever seen.

 

So that's better than any of our teams, the Mancs treble winning team, Arsenal's invincibles, Forest winning the European Cup twice, Leeds Utd, Spurs 1961 double winning team and any other team who has won loads of trophies.

 

The reason for this? Media bias against Everton. I did throw a grenade in and said that they never won the European Cup just to watch the epic fume and the H word get mentioned.

[Pidge]

Comfortably threatening the top 20 in the league. No conspiracy can hold them back.

[Barrington Womble]

One blue I know believes Everton's 1985 team are the best team.that English football has ever seen.

 

So that's better than any of our teams, the Mancs treble winning team, Arsenal's invincibles, Forest winning the European Cup twice, Leeds Utd, Spurs 1961 double winning team and any other team who has won loads of trophies.

 

The reason for this? Media bias against Everton. I did throw a grenade in and said that they never won the European Cup just to watch the epic fume and the H word get mentioned.

They were that boss, they won all in front of them in 86.