*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Joey8FrogsLegs 1,060]

14 minutes ago, Rick Sanchez C-137 said:

 

Oh dear, they slapped too much money down on too many tables. Woe is me.

They did win numerous transfer windows though. Can never take that away from them.

[Chocoholic 1,737]

A points deduction. Hmmmm. That would certainly set the cat among the Richarlisons.

[Dr Nowt 26,209]

3 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

A points deduction. Hmmmm. That would certainly set the cat among the Richy lads.

 

[dockers_strike 4,199]

26 minutes ago, angie said:

Beautiful and to be honest, I think many of us saw this day approaching. They were very close to breaching before covid impact and delaying publicising the accounts is always a bad sign.

 

They are going down!

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,993]

I didn't bother reading the "Bramley Moore update" last week, beyond the headline that the contractors were saying that they're still committed to the project. Of course they are. They're committed to being paid. Once the money dries up, they'll fuck off, leaving nothing but a sandpit and a load of exiled fish.

[Mike D 1,696]

Bramley more docked points.

[AngryOfTuebrook 24,993]

On 16/01/2020 at 07:44, liverpoolsno9 said:

The Catcher knows exactly what’s happening and it looks like the Blueshite are gonna be blowing everyone out the water in the next few years. Worrying times. A long read, but he’s got all the detail!

 

 

 

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As always lots of significant last night. Looks to have passed through without too much reporting, and no rumoured investigation. I think they are continuing to test the water of what they can get away with until the PL may say something. The reality is, that he will provide over £50 million this year (up from £15m the year before). If nothing is said, you wonder what the next sponsorship will look like in terms of substance and value? It's obviously harder for the PL to pick holes in the dynamic once it starts as well. So another shrewd move from Usmanov, start low, and work up in increments.

I thought another thing in the car between meetings today. If he benchmarks at 20m p/a for stadium sponsorship. He's already doubled training ground sponsorship, so that gets through as a principle. I honestly think if we hit certain benchmarks (Europa League/Champions league) the sponsorship may get trebled on each occasion. It will be in the small print of the initial deal, which the PL will likely see through, it won't mention a figure but something like a "review" is due on milestones. All the club/Usmanov can say, is that the initial deal was fine, and as part of the review, greater exposure a new value is now fairer. They can cite the training ground having doubled sponsorship as a principle, so in this instance a trebling seemed fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsorship ends up in the future are £100m p/a. The real genius in this though, I predict will be how it's offset against construction costs etc. So it won't even count as part of FFP. Or on other words, a £100million loss will be able to explained away to the FA (or 50 million if thats what it settles on). These guys are field attuned to finding grey areas. 

Whats in it for Usmanov, beyond influence, power, financial gain, indirect values to come back? Think of it this way. You want to keep money moving to make yourself harder to pin for tax purposes and also to keep options open. Company A sponsor Everton for £100m. Everton pay company B (under Usmanovs influence) £100m per/a to build a stadium (which sounds about right). Usmanov loses no money, money is moved, harder to control. Everton get an extra £100million to play with each year in terms of FFP losses (so we can continue to spend at this level, or incur the level of losses we have and we would still be in absolutely no danger of any problems with the PL/UEFA).

As a afinal aside, as Brian was mentioning yesterday, the values for Everton are then established for future sponsorship people, and Usmanov's 2nd company probably get a load of additional work for the Peel waterway 6+ billion project, so a load more money coming his company's way. Where do you reckon he is going to reward his employees, or directors who perform well at the 2/3 companies involved in all of this? He will probably pay a massive premium for the best box at the new stadium. It goes on and on.

 

It's been quite an amusing 24 hours really. RAWK is in typical meltdown. I'd made the cardinal sin and overestimated their intelligence to the level of an able minded adolescent when the collective wisdom seems to fall some way short of that. I genuinely think that they felt yesterday was going to be the day we failed FFP and went out of business.

I spoke to one quite reasonable red after the derby defeat. We spoke about the match and he threw in the usual massive losses due to be announced, I said they would be worse than he was forecasting, but I wasn't too bothered as Usmanov would likely put an injection into the club and sort it. He went quite and didn't say anything on that. Looking back he clearly felt what I was saying was completely ridiculous. They've kind of fed themselves the idea that Usmanov is a fantasy. I can see why, USM combined official wealth is over 25 bn (officially) and unofficially higher than that by any amount of degrees. Essentially we can spend and waste any degree of money and it will still be alright. 

It's just kind of funny, that they just get really irritated. Like the nerdy little kid at school who snitches on everyone and gets his head shoved down the loos at school, they are left getting angry as the cool kid basically gets away with messing it up time and again.

 

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[Halcyon Days 505]

Yeah that Usmanov, great guy bet he loves paying his taxes and helping society or does he use ‘the grey areas’ expertise? Peoples club my arse, please go down you soft cunts.

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53 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

I didn't bother reading the "Bramley Moore update" last week, beyond the headline that the contractors were saying that they're still committed to the project. Of course they are. They're committed to being paid. Once the money dries up, they'll fuck off, leaving nothing but a sandpit and a load of exiled fish.

And decimated World Heritage site!

[Ne Moe Imya 3,663]

On 08/02/2022 at 23:58, Ne Moe Imya said:

Based on the 538 odds, I just calculated there's over a 4% chance that we're living in a world where Liverpool win the title and Everton are relegated in the same season.

 

Believe!

Just FYI, I have recalculated it and we are now up to a 6.4% chance that this happens (this is as things stand, without any docked points or anything).

 

Add in the Champion's League and the odds that Liverpool win one of the two big trophies AND Everton are relegated this season now stands at 11.2%.

 

Believe!

[Pete 2,138]

Fuck em, get relegated and then go bust.  Useless cunts. 

[Paulie Dangerously 7,599]

Ruh-roh shaggy!

 

First club to be docked points for breaking FFP rules 

[Boss 8,229]

On 16/01/2020 at 07:44, liverpoolsno9 said:

The Catcher knows exactly what’s happening and it looks like the Blueshite are gonna be blowing everyone out the water in the next few years. Worrying times. A long read, but he’s got all the detail!

 

 

 

catcherintherye

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As always lots of significant last night. Looks to have passed through without too much reporting, and no rumoured investigation. I think they are continuing to test the water of what they can get away with until the PL may say something. The reality is, that he will provide over £50 million this year (up from £15m the year before). If nothing is said, you wonder what the next sponsorship will look like in terms of substance and value? It's obviously harder for the PL to pick holes in the dynamic once it starts as well. So another shrewd move from Usmanov, start low, and work up in increments.

I thought another thing in the car between meetings today. If he benchmarks at 20m p/a for stadium sponsorship. He's already doubled training ground sponsorship, so that gets through as a principle. I honestly think if we hit certain benchmarks (Europa League/Champions league) the sponsorship may get trebled on each occasion. It will be in the small print of the initial deal, which the PL will likely see through, it won't mention a figure but something like a "review" is due on milestones. All the club/Usmanov can say, is that the initial deal was fine, and as part of the review, greater exposure a new value is now fairer. They can cite the training ground having doubled sponsorship as a principle, so in this instance a trebling seemed fine.

I wouldn't be surprised if the sponsorship ends up in the future are £100m p/a. The real genius in this though, I predict will be how it's offset against construction costs etc. So it won't even count as part of FFP. Or on other words, a £100million loss will be able to explained away to the FA (or 50 million if thats what it settles on). These guys are field attuned to finding grey areas. 

Whats in it for Usmanov, beyond influence, power, financial gain, indirect values to come back? Think of it this way. You want to keep money moving to make yourself harder to pin for tax purposes and also to keep options open. Company A sponsor Everton for £100m. Everton pay company B (under Usmanovs influence) £100m per/a to build a stadium (which sounds about right). Usmanov loses no money, money is moved, harder to control. Everton get an extra £100million to play with each year in terms of FFP losses (so we can continue to spend at this level, or incur the level of losses we have and we would still be in absolutely no danger of any problems with the PL/UEFA).

As a afinal aside, as Brian was mentioning yesterday, the values for Everton are then established for future sponsorship people, and Usmanov's 2nd company probably get a load of additional work for the Peel waterway 6+ billion project, so a load more money coming his company's way. Where do you reckon he is going to reward his employees, or directors who perform well at the 2/3 companies involved in all of this? He will probably pay a massive premium for the best box at the new stadium. It goes on and on.

 

It's been quite an amusing 24 hours really. RAWK is in typical meltdown. I'd made the cardinal sin and overestimated their intelligence to the level of an able minded adolescent when the collective wisdom seems to fall some way short of that. I genuinely think that they felt yesterday was going to be the day we failed FFP and went out of business.

I spoke to one quite reasonable red after the derby defeat. We spoke about the match and he threw in the usual massive losses due to be announced, I said they would be worse than he was forecasting, but I wasn't too bothered as Usmanov would likely put an injection into the club and sort it. He went quite and didn't say anything on that. Looking back he clearly felt what I was saying was completely ridiculous. They've kind of fed themselves the idea that Usmanov is a fantasy. I can see why, USM combined official wealth is over 25 bn (officially) and unofficially higher than that by any amount of degrees. Essentially we can spend and waste any degree of money and it will still be alright. 

It's just kind of funny, that they just get really irritated. Like the nerdy little kid at school who snitches on everyone and gets his head shoved down the loos at school, they are left getting angry as the cool kid basically gets away with messing it up time and again.

 

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Maybe I'm wrong here, but sponsorship on a stadium would surely only kick in when it's been built, wouldn't it? Why would you sponsor a stadium that doesn't have the capacity to advertise anything? Seems totally nonsensical.

[Harry Squatter 14,066]

The Arteta money would come in handy right now.

[Preston Red 947]

Fuck 'em.

 

It's come round now to bite them on the arse when they celebrated us being on the verge and joined together with those Manc cunts to send social media posts to FSG, telling them not to invest in us as we were "murderers".

 

If a points deduction does happen, I can feel a double measure of JD Single Barrel passing my lips and a quadruple for when they finally drop.

[Ron B 267]

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Pour yourself a drink and read this slowly; there's a lot to savour.

When you said “There’s a lot to savour” you weren’t kidding. But my favourite is surely the description of Everton as the cool kid who keeps messing up and getting away with it. I agree with part of that. 

[Anubis 21,797]

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The two Covid-impacted seasons during that time will be put together and an average taken, though Everton would still appear at serious risk of sanctions.

 

That has led to the club petitioning the Premier League for more allowances to be made, with the league having ‘indicated’ they will allow add-backs due to the pandemic.

 

Any kind of points deduction would be a hammer blow to the Toffees hopes of staying up, given their slender buffer over the relegation zone.

I hope Norwich, Watford, Burnley, Leeds, Brentford and Newcastle push back hard against any ‘allowances’ and threaten legal action.

[DalyanPete 1,293]

7 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Pour yourself a drink and read this slowly; there's a lot to savour.

He does a lot of thinking in his car.

Also, no mention of sanctions?

Crazy cunt.

[DalyanPete 1,293]

Quite funny reply.

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jonesey10 said:

Talk Sport just mentioned we could be due a points deduction! they never elaborated before I got to work, anybody know what this is all about?

Barely got any points to be deducted from us

[Pete 2,138]

Catcher in the Rye is Delusional/talks out of his arse/has a massive red chip on his shoulder/ seems to be a bit of a cunt. 

Delete where applicable (or not). 

[redinblack 383]

9 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

"They also have games against Watford and Crystal Palace to be rearranged, but otherwise Everton must face West Ham United, Manchester United, Liverpool, Chelsea, Leicester City, Brentford and Arsenal on the final day of the season"

 

I would love them to go down but making them play 7 teams on the final day of the season is a bit much.

[Carvalho Diablo 17,119]

Is it true that they're still paying off their last 5 managers?

[Harry Squatter 14,066]

4 minutes ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

Is it true that they're still paying off their last 5 managers?

I think as Ancelotti legged it as soon as Real Madrid wanted him so he never got a pay off. 

 

They should have paid Koeman off by now.

[Trumo 16,323]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Catcher in the Rye is Delusional/talks out of his arse/has a massive red chip on his shoulder/ seems to be a bit of a cunt. 

Delete where applicable. 

 

Done.

[Block305 21]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Catcher in the Rye is Delusional/talks out of his arse/has a massive red chip on his shoulder/ seems to be a bit of a cunt. 

Delete where applicable (or not). 

Surprised he never shoehorned in Liverpool's wages.