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11 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

I was a dashing 31 year old with hair and still able to to see my willy.

Closes curtains and warms hands. 2 minutes of letting the imagination run wild.

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9 hours ago, aws said:

Just had a quick look and I don't think it's a full call-in. It seems to be just a referral to see if he wants to get involved because of the heritage/conservation aspects. I'd be surprised if the govt. decides to get dragged into it as there doesn't seem a lot to be gained and it would go against their whole spiel about regenerating the regions. 

Yeah, that's what you'd think. I'd love there to be something to force Peel to investment and if they fail to, they lose the land. 

9 hours ago, No2 said:

Are the council still on the hook for 200m? I've watched enough Grand Designs to know building on water brings nothing but heart ache and spiralling costs. 

While I don't think the council backed out completely. Last a read the path to loan money for local government from central government has gone up in price and the rules tightened a little since it was 1st proposed the council would contribute. I think also back then the council would have been the sole landlord as it was before the costs went up to 500m. I think 300m was the top end of what the council could do, so it also changes the dynamics. In addition to this, I think by the time the council put their margin on the loan, it makes it more expensive for Everton than on the open market to borrow the money. It would seem unlikely moshiri hasn't got access to cheap money even if he can't get it for Everton directly. 

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50 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Yeah, that's what you'd think. I'd love there to be something to force Peel to investment and if they fail to, they lose the land. 

While I don't think the council backed out completely. Last a read the path to loan money for local government from central government has gone up in price and the rules tightened a little since it was 1st proposed the council would contribute. I think also back then the council would have been the sole landlord as it was before the costs went up to 500m. I think 300m was the top end of what the council could do, so it also changes the dynamics. In addition to this, I think by the time the council put their margin on the loan, it makes it more expensive for Everton than on the open market to borrow the money. It would seem unlikely moshiri hasn't got access to cheap money even if he can't get it for Everton directly. 

I can see the council borrowing money to lend, they cost of borrowing may have gone up but is still considerably cheaper than going to the open market. It would then make a tidy profit for the council as well, remember it is capital not revenue they would be using.

 

They cannot use that capital money to prop up failing or struggling services but they can use the income from that loan to do this.

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12 minutes ago, SlugTrail said:

I can see the council borrowing money to lend, they cost of borrowing may have gone up but is still considerably cheaper than going to the open market. It would then make a tidy profit for the council as well, remember it is capital not revenue they would be using.

 

They cannot use that capital money to prop up failing or struggling services but they can use the income from that loan to do this.

The cost to the council is cheaper, but the cost to Everton won't be. 

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7 minutes ago, Toxteth O'Grady said:

Is this getting built within the next 5 years realistically, yes or no?

Already been built....Apparently 

 

Jay
@JayShelley89

Anfield, Goodison Park & now Bramley Moore all built by one club. #EFC

https://mobile.twitter.com/JayShelley89/status/1364188000511475720


 

azul
@thechicoazul

I just can’t get over Everton building three stadiums to help progress this city and Big Red thinking they can just doss in one like a box room sponging off our toil & sweat. They need to get out there and pay their way. And no more knocking down communities while they’re at it

https://mobile.twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1364201965174067203

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, SlugTrail said:

I can see the council borrowing money to lend, they cost of borrowing may have gone up but is still considerably cheaper than going to the open market. It would then make a tidy profit for the council as well, remember it is capital not revenue they would be using.

 

They cannot use that capital money to prop up failing or struggling services but they can use the income from that loan to do this.

All going well it makes a profit but there are plenty of scenarios that end in disaster here. If Uncle Uzzy is the real money behind them then that alone is fairly precarious. He's a Big Mac away from a heart attack or a wikileak away from being in jail. Add in the very real prospect of the costs doubling/trebling given the nature of the build and I wouldn't want my money any where near it. Final concern is the club themselves, they are running at unsustainable levels, they have shown reckless financial management for a number of years.

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7 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Already been built....Apparently 

 

Jay
@JayShelley89

Anfield, Goodison Park & now Bramley Moore all built by one club. #EFC

https://mobile.twitter.com/JayShelley89/status/1364188000511475720


 

azul
@thechicoazul

I just can’t get over Everton building three stadiums to help progress this city and Big Red thinking they can just doss in one like a box room sponging off our toil & sweat. They need to get out there and pay their way. And no more knocking down communities while they’re at it

https://mobile.twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1364201965174067203

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everton FC built Anfield? How very generous that people who paid the rent also built the ground. Now I see why their business acumen has been a wee bit lacking historically.

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53 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Already been built....Apparently 

 

Jay
@JayShelley89

Anfield, Goodison Park & now Bramley Moore all built by one club. #EFC

https://mobile.twitter.com/JayShelley89/status/1364188000511475720


 

azul
@thechicoazul

I just can’t get over Everton building three stadiums to help progress this city and Big Red thinking they can just doss in one like a box room sponging off our toil & sweat. They need to get out there and pay their way. And no more knocking down communities while they’re at it

https://mobile.twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1364201965174067203

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Lying scruffs

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1 hour ago, Stickman said:

Already been built....Apparently 

 

Jay
@JayShelley89

Anfield, Goodison Park & now Bramley Moore all built by one club. #EFC

https://mobile.twitter.com/JayShelley89/status/1364188000511475720


 

azul
@thechicoazul

I just can’t get over Everton building three stadiums to help progress this city and Big Red thinking they can just doss in one like a box room sponging off our toil & sweat. They need to get out there and pay their way. And no more knocking down communities while they’re at it

https://mobile.twitter.com/thechicoazul/status/1364201965174067203

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They didn't "build" Anfield ffs as it wasn't even theirs!. 

 

They played on Stanley park for six years after being formed in 1878. So played on rented land at Anfield between 1884 to 1892 when they decided to leave. 

 

They also had nothing to do with Liverpool being formed. If you look at the history of other clubs more often than not there is a disagreement between members of the board which leads to the breakaway and another club being formed. 

 

When Inter were formed several board members disagreed with other Milan board members about signing non Italian players so broke away and formed Inter so they could sign players from Switzerland. 

 

John Houlding formed Liverpool, an entirely new club by himself after Everton had spat their dummy out and left. 

 

The last point that bellend makes about Liverpool not contributing to the city is a bit of a contradiction seeing as they say all of our fans are out of towners and Norwegians who keep the hotel and tourism trade in the city going. While Everton's fans are all local and pop down to the ground 5 minutes before kick off. 

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And if you know your history... 

Can’t imagine what it must be like to having to put a negative spin on everything LFC related. Must be a tiring, depressing existence.

 

I hope they build the fucking thing just get on with it but leave the public finances alone you gang of freeloading cadging tramps.

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2 hours ago, Halcyon Days said:

And if you know your history... 

Can’t imagine what it must be like to having to put a negative spin on everything LFC related. Must be a tiring, depressing existence.

 

I hope they build the fucking thing just get on with it but leave the public finances alone you gang of freeloading cadging tramps.

The majority of posts on social media have been about how Liverpool fans will react rather than being excited about the stadium.

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35 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

The majority of posts on social media have been about how Liverpool fans will react rather than being excited about the stadium.

Beyond help they’re like a jilted lover who can’t move on with their life, got no self worth about themselves whatsoever.

 

Thank fuck I was manufactured and not born.

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4 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

They didn't "build" Anfield ffs as it wasn't even theirs!. 

 

They played on Stanley park for six years after being formed in 1878. So played on rented land at Anfield between 1884 to 1892 when they decided to leave. 

 

They also had nothing to do with Liverpool being formed. If you look at the history of other clubs more often than not there is a disagreement between members of the board which leads to the breakaway and another club being formed. 

 

When Inter were formed several board members disagreed with other Milan board members about signing non Italian players so broke away and formed Inter so they could sign players from Switzerland. 

 

John Houlding formed Liverpool, an entirely new club by himself after Everton had spat their dummy out and left. 

 

The last point that bellend makes about Liverpool not contributing to the city is a bit of a contradiction seeing as they say all of our fans are out of towners and Norwegians who keep the hotel and tourism trade in the city going. While Everton's fans are all local and pop down to the ground 5 minutes before kick off. 

if we want to be really accurate about "if ye know ye history" .. while a football team called everton did indeed play at anfield, the legal entity that controlled everton football club then changed it's name to liverpool and started liverpool football club. so we kept the company and the stadium (for what it was). they kept the name and fucked off. the reality is really is we are the senior club, we just let them have the name because houlding wasn't a fucking idiot and saw the potential of being named after the city and not a district. 

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26 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

if we want to be really accurate about "if ye know ye history" .. while a football team called everton did indeed play at anfield, the legal entity that controlled everton football club then changed it's name to liverpool and started liverpool football club. so we kept the company and the stadium (for what it was). they kept the name and fucked off. the reality is really is we are the senior club, we just let them have the name because houlding wasn't a fucking idiot and saw the potential of being named after the city and not a district. 

Deep down every Blue regrets getting into bed with parochial Prince Rupert, how they’d love to have a blue Liver Bird instead!

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8 minutes ago, Halcyon Days said:

Deep down every Blue regrets getting into bed with parochial Prince Rupert, how they’d love to have a blue Liver Bird instead!

have you seen this new thing they've got of wearing a blue liverbird? gobshites - they are everton, pick something from everton. what a fucking weird lot they are - we've got a great emblem that's made a mythical bird world famous and an obscure song from a musical that was a hit for a merseybeat band as our anthem and universally seen as the best football song in the world and indeed as we saw through covid, it goes beyond football. They've got a prison and a tune famous only for being on a shit tv show about the police. Law and Order FC. 

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3 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

have you seen this new thing they've got of wearing a blue liverbird? gobshites - they are everton, pick something from everton. what a fucking weird lot they are - we've got a great emblem that's made a mythical bird world famous and an obscure song from a musical that was a hit for a merseybeat band as our anthem and universally seen as the best football song in the world and indeed as we saw through covid, it goes beyond football. They've got a prison and a tune famous only for being on a shit tv show about the police. Law and Order FC. 

Spot on Barry, yes I’ve seen the blue liver bird badges, car stickers too.

 

The actions of mad people, people on the edge, it’s so nutty I’m struggling for an analogy. How the fuck would explain this behaviour to a layman?

 

They’re a psychiatrists wet dream.

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34 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

have you seen this new thing they've got of wearing a blue liverbird? gobshites - they are everton, pick something from everton. what a fucking weird lot they are - we've got a great emblem that's made a mythical bird world famous and an obscure song from a musical that was a hit for a merseybeat band as our anthem and universally seen as the best football song in the world and indeed as we saw through covid, it goes beyond football. They've got a prison and a tune famous only for being on a shit tv show about the police. Law and Order FC. 

It's an abomination 

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A quick look at their new stadium page on GOT. Currently discussing the benefits of having a 52k stadium instead of a 62k incase they don't sell out and having it not sell out will cost them money. 

 

Everton aren't they. 

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