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34 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

It says in the article that due to the objections and possible appeals that construction won't start until after 2021. 

 

On a serious note, no other city in this country seems to have as many heritage nazis and nimbys constantly stifling any regeneration as Liverpool does. Manchester had £1bn of projects approved yesterday including a second arema and massive tower blocks in the city centre.

 

Yet as soon as anyone wants to build anything over 10 floors in Liverpool or near the Liver Buildings an army of professional objectors appear to either have a say in the design or get it stopped. 

Manchester has been streamlined for getting developments done for the last 20 years or more. Quick decision processes, not terrified of someone making a profit, powers vested in the leader so if you can convince him of a scheme there's near certainty it will go ahead. Complete contrast to the never-ending talking shop that has characterised  Liverpool's approach. It might be better now (I've not dealt with either council for a few years) but two decades is a lot of catching up. 

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7 minutes ago, aws said:

Manchester has been streamlined for getting developments done for the last 20 years or more. Quick decision processes, not terrified of someone making a profit, powers vested in the leader so if you can convince him of a scheme there's near certainty it will go ahead. Complete contrast to the never-ending talking shop that has characterised  Liverpool's approach. It might be better now (I've not dealt with either council for a few years) but two decades is a lot of catching up. 

Liverpool city council must have councillors like Cox and Evans in those Reeves and Mortimer sketches. 

 

That councillor Steve Munby seems to object to every single but of development in the city. Must put developers off and send them down the East Lancs road. 

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2 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Yeah the only thing that should stop them building it is funding. 

Nah.

I'm more concerned with the impact it would have on traffic in and out of the City every matchday.  It would allow a few pubs and takeaways to spring up in the immediate vicinity of the ground, but it would fuck half the businesses in the City Centre.

 

It's the wrong location for a football stadium, so I'm relieved it's never getting built.

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2 hours ago, aws said:

Manchester has been streamlined for getting developments done for the last 20 years or more. Quick decision processes, not terrified of someone making a profit, powers vested in the leader so if you can convince him of a scheme there's near certainty it will go ahead. Complete contrast to the never-ending talking shop that has characterised  Liverpool's approach. It might be better now (I've not dealt with either council for a few years) but two decades is a lot of catching up. 

Liverpool is a Mecca for "developers" who never really intend building stuff. 

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2 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

It says in the article that due to the objections and possible appeals that construction won't start until after 2021. 

 

On a serious note, no other city in this country seems to have as many heritage nazis and nimbys constantly stifling any regeneration as Liverpool does. Manchester had £1bn of projects approved yesterday including a second arema and massive tower blocks in the city centre.

 

Yet as soon as anyone wants to build anything over 10 floors in Liverpool or near the Liver Buildings an army of professional objectors appear to either have a say in the design or get it stopped. 

To be fair though Manchester is quite possibly the ugliest city in England, horendous looking place, the Liverpool waterfront is recognised the world over.

 

What do manchester really approve too? More flats that nobody can afford usually. 

 

Liverpool should be doing stuff like subsiding business premises to try and attract startups, all it does is build student flats and apart hotels that are slowly turning the place into Blackpool on steds. There's seemingly zero vision in the council's strategic plans for the city's future beyond the tourist and student dollar, both of which will be in short supply in the next year or two I suspect.

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Building for building's sake isn't the right approach. There's too much emphasis on development at the expense of quality in the national planning framework so to have a council that actually scrutinise applications is a good thing.

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6 minutes ago, Чемпионы said:

Just give them their season ticket money back, disgrace of a club.


Billy! Billy’s the name! I’ve got eleven galacticos to feed.

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10 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Nah.

I'm more concerned with the impact it would have on traffic in and out of the City every matchday.  It would allow a few pubs and takeaways to spring up in the immediate vicinity of the ground, but it would fuck half the businesses in the City Centre.

 

It's the wrong location for a football stadium, so I'm relieved it's never getting built.

I'm not invested enough to get into an argument about it but I think it being built does a lot more good for the city and people than bad. Particularly with the dark clouds over us now and even darker Brexit ones. Sorry Mal but you should be protesting against that bike lane on West Derby Road. I go past the Belmont twice a day and not once have I seen you on the roof with your cock out. Not fucking once. 

10 hours ago, Section_31 said:

To be fair though Manchester is quite possibly the ugliest city in England, horendous looking place, the Liverpool waterfront is recognised the world over.

 

What do manchester really approve too? More flats that nobody can afford usually. 

 

Liverpool should be doing stuff like subsiding business premises to try and attract startups, all it does is build student flats and apart hotels that are slowly turning the place into Blackpool on steds. There's seemingly zero vision in the council's strategic plans for the city's future beyond the tourist and student dollar, both of which will be in short supply in the next year or two I suspect.

It truly is ugly as fuck. Its a great night out to be fair but pulling into Manchester is as grim as it gets (part from Wolverhampton) 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm not invested enough to get into an argument about it but I think it being built does a lot more good for the city and people than bad. Particularly with the dark clouds over us now and even darker Brexit ones. Sorry Mal but you should be protesting against that bike lane on West Derby Road. I go past the Belmont twice a day and not once have I seen you on the roof with your cock out. Not fucking once. 

It truly is ugly as fuck. Its a great night out to be fair but pulling into Manchester is as grim as it gets (part from Wolverhampton) 

Salford quays looks nice lit up at night but that's about it, they just build and build and build narrow apartment blocks that look like they're made out of lego on any spare bit of land they can find and call the building 'ye old grain silo' or some shit and charge three grand a week for rent.

 

it's a customary tail as far as overdevelopment of cities go. On the rare occasion I'm there, when I'm driving home I always get Arnie's voice in my head saying "we need to get out of the city. And avoid the authorities."

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13 hours ago, sir roger said:

This constant blackmail about losing Heritage status is a blight on potential progress

Yeah - I might be wrong, but I would guess Liverpool gets more tourism through the Beatles and football than through its heritage status. Whilst we need to be sympathetic to the skyline and history, that area and the city as a whole would benefit hugely from redevelopment.

 

I suspect I am in a minority, but I would quite like them to build a stadium there. I don't think they'll get the financing though.

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1 hour ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm not invested enough to get into an argument about it but I think it being built does a lot more good for the city and people than bad. Particularly with the dark clouds over us now and even darker Brexit ones. Sorry Mal but you should be protesting against that bike lane on West Derby Road. I go past the Belmont twice a day and not once have I seen you on the roof with your cock out. Not fucking once. 

I've emigrated to leafy Sefton now. Tuebrook to me is like "the back streets of Naples" in "Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?"

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38 minutes ago, M_B said:

Yeah - I might be wrong, but I would guess Liverpool gets more tourism through the Beatles and football than through its heritage status. Whilst we need to be sympathetic to the skyline and history, that area and the city as a whole would benefit hugely from redevelopment.

 

I suspect I am in a minority, but I would quite like them to build a stadium there. I don't think they'll get the financing though.

I'd like to see the area developed, it's a fucking mess. But that shouldn't be at the expense of everything else. It should need to get through the same process as anything else would have to do and it needs to ensure it doesn't impact and have a knock on effect. I agree with some of the posts here in the city we make it took difficult to develop stuff. 

 

If Everton can get through the planning process and find the funding, good on them, I hope they get it. In fact I hope in stimulates more redevelopment in the area. 

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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I've emigrated to leafy Sefton now. Tuebrook to me is like "the back streets of Naples" in "Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?"

Shouldn't you be 'Mildly Peeved in Sefton' now?

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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I've emigrated to leafy Sefton now. Tuebrook to me is like "the back streets of Naples" in "Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?"

"You talk like Michael Angelis

And you dance like Chippy-tits the Mayor.

Your clothes are all made by Lonsdale,

And there's dandruff and nits in you hair. Yes there are."

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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I've emigrated to leafy Sefton now. Tuebrook to me is like "the back streets of Naples" in "Where Do You Go To, My Lovely?"

Fucking sell out, Pyramid Pizza not good enough now Tarby?

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I don’t think the mosh has got the appetite for building this ground if they have to go it alone.

 

You could understand the eagerness to get on board when diamond Joe was selling this as a legacy from the commonwealth games bid that wouldn’t go unused and be a millstone round the cities neck, however, once that went tits up, the Ev should have just walked away. 
 

Now they’ve allowed themselves to be backed into a corner by not wanting to lose face with what went on in the past with their other failed ground moves.

 

Wouldn’t surprise me if they were deliberately sabotaging these planning applications knowing that their deranged fan base will look to blame anyone (us) but the club if it gets knocked back. 
 

Should it go ahead, then the income it produces will just about meet the interest repayments as the 50 year old scruffs won’t be giving up those child season tickets they still go on and hopefully this will be the thing that finally sinks them.

 

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Just got football focus on. Some twat on there (I don't know who he is) was at selhurst park. In his talking up of Everton he says "Liverpool fans are already calling them the noisy neighbours". No, we're really not. 

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Apparently Jeff Stelling has said they got loads of complaints from the loons cos they never made a

big thing of them going top for a few hours last week 

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9 minutes ago, Red74 said:

Apparently Jeff Stelling has said they got loads of complaints from the loons cos they never made a

big thing of them going top for a few hours last week 

Hilarious. If you know yer 'istory, tables never used to get published until 3 games in.

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