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35 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

It's got to be said, I wonder how many of the people saying this shit are just reds trying to drag the odd lunatic in. They're fucking mentalists. 

 

The fact that we can't tell which ones are genuine and which are Kopites on the wind-up tells its own story. 

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3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Apparently the European cup was/is easy to win. All 6 of ours were easy. All none of theirs were easy too then I suppose.

 

Thomasc

Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
In fairness, they were fairly clear on their criteria and, based on that criteria, it would be hard to disagree.

Do you think that there is a case for any non Man Utd or Liverpool side being the best English side ever? I don't.

The great City, Chelsea and Arsenal sides never won a European Cup, where as the former two did - it's hard to create a reasonable set of criteria that puts any of those three above the great Utd / Liverpool sides.

Carragher said the Arsenal side was the best English side he played against. Neville said the Chelsea 04/05 side was the best English side he played against. They were certainly great teams and recognised as such, they just failed at key moments in Europe that really mattered.
yes of course there is a case.

man city won a domestic treble last season.

to date, Arsenal are the only side to go a whole season without losing.

It was far easier to win the European cup when Liverpool won it in those days. Go back and look at the teams they played on a two legged basis to get to the final. Teams like the mighty Crusaders, St Etienne and Zurich.

the European cup is exactly what it is, a cup. The best sides in their own leagues don’t even win it most years. Liverpool being an example, they year they won it and finished 5th in the premier league.
 

Does the fucking eejit not know that during this piss easy time to win the European Cup, the mighty everton got knocked out in the quarter final by the even mightier Panathinakos? They really dont help themselves, do they?

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52 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Does the fucking eejit not know that during this piss easy time to win the European Cup, the mighty everton got knocked out in the quarter final by the even mightier Panathinakos? They really dont help themselves, do they?

But panathaniakos had a good team that year and had 2 legs and Everton didn't lose one. 

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Thought that list was very fair to be honest, though I disagree with giving 5 points for a European Cup and 4 for a League title. Should be 5 for a League and 4 for the European Cup in it's old format (pre CL). Back then it was only 9 games to win it, and about half the teams who qualified as champions of their respective countries were pony. Winning the league was always considered the most satisfying prize because it meant you'd proved you were top dogs over a pro-longed period, not just got lucky or scraped through some knock-out ties.

Had Heysel not happened Kendall's side would probably be above the likes of Clough's Forest and Nicholson's Spurs. It's highly likely we'd have won the '86 European Cup, also another league title or two and probably more domestic cups along the way. The break up of that side because of an incident that had absolutely nothing to do with the club is one of the biggest travesties in the history of the sport.

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They didn’t. It’s just an excuse for a series of poor decisions they made which steadily saw them decline. But why look inwardly at your own failings when you can blame your favourite obsession.

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Evertonians don’t half talk some shite. 
Hope Carlo realises what he’s done soon and leaves them to face their usual mid table battles. 

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They bought Lineker the start of the 85-86 season (without European football) he had the season of his life and they still didn’t win anything. Only Andy Gray was  the notable ‘out’ in that 85-86 season but they bought Lineker in for him. Bobby Mimms, Bailey and Ian Atkins were the only others that left for a fee. The break up of that side didn’t happen in the aftermath of Heysel. Indeed they won the League 2 years after Heysel. Gary Stevens, Heath, Peter Reid, Mountfield, Harper left 3 years after Heysel, whilst Trevor Steven, Psycho and Bracewell left 4 years after Heysel. Trevor Steven and Gary Stevens being the only 2 you could argue moved for European football and that was 3 and 4 years after, whilst the rest took a step down and were on the decline. 

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1 hour ago, liverpoolsno9 said:

They bought Lineker the start of the 85-86 season (without European football) he had the season of his life and they still didn’t win anything. Only Andy Gray was  the notable ‘out’ in that 85-86 season but they bought Lineker in for him. Bobby Mimms, Bailey and Ian Atkins were the only others that left for a fee. The break up of that side didn’t happen in the aftermath of Heysel. Indeed they won the League 2 years after Heysel. Gary Stevens, Heath, Peter Reid, Mountfield, Harper left 3 years after Heysel, whilst Trevor Steven, Psycho and Bracewell left 4 years after Heysel. Trevor Steven and Gary Stevens being the only 2 you could argue moved for European football and that was 3 and 4 years after, whilst the rest took a step down and were on the decline. 

Stop it with those facts getting in the way of all their lies and bitterness.

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I think they could maybe argue they lost Kendall as an ultimate consequence of the ban, but I don't really buy into that either. They talk out of one side of their mouth saying the European cup was shite, worth less than the league and the true measure was the 38/42 game domestic season. Then out of the other side of their mouth they claim they lose players because there's no European football. Well which is it? If it's as shite as they say, nobody would move for it.

 

The reality is they lost Kendall and a couple of players to Scotland because of money. Perhaps with more money they could have retained them, but the European cup wasn't the cash cow the CL is today. They had a team coming to the end of its natural life and they bought badly when rebuilding it. Stuart McCall was a decent player, but not a patch on what their title teams had. Then the same can be said of cottee and Nevin, beagrie, a broken whiteside, Mike Newell. About the only top signing they made in that period was Martin keown. But here's the key to it all, they weren't struggling to attract players - cottee and Nevin being examples of that (the 2 of them costing around the same price as beardsley, Barnes and Aldridge), they just didn't make good choices when rebuilding, we did. 

 

But let's blame the RS, it's easier than accepting the reality. 

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I was going to say they did a Leicester with everything coming together, more by accident than design, for a brief period of glory before reverting to the mean. In truth, it's more a case of Leicester doing an Everton.

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8 hours ago, Barry Wom said:

I think they could maybe argue they lost Kendall as an ultimate consequence of the ban, but I don't really buy into that either. They talk out of one side of their mouth saying the European cup was shite, worth less than the league and the true measure was the 38/42 game domestic season. Then out of the other side of their mouth they claim they lose players because there's no European football. Well which is it? If it's as shite as they say, nobody would move for it.

 

The reality is they lost Kendall and a couple of players to Scotland because of money. Perhaps with more money they could have retained them, but the European cup wasn't the cash cow the CL is today. They had a team coming to the end of its natural life and they bought badly when rebuilding it. Stuart McCall was a decent player, but not a patch on what their title teams had. Then the same can be said of cottee and Nevin, beagrie, a broken whiteside, Mike Newell. About the only top signing they made in that period was Martin keown. But here's the key to it all, they weren't struggling to attract players - cottee and Nevin being examples of that (the 2 of them costing around the same price as beardsley, Barnes and Aldridge), they just didn't make good choices when rebuilding, we did. 

 

But let's blame the RS, it's easier than accepting the reality. 


Despite what he used to say, I’m pretty certain Kendall joined Athletic Bilbao in a year when they didn’t even have European football. Agree with what you say entirely about them making poor choices.

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12 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I've no idea but after Heysel did Everton have an exodus of all their best players? Linekar joined the year after didn't he. How come no other club had their team break up or did they.

Of the Everton XI that started the 1985 FA Cup Final,six of the players,Southall,Stevens,Van Den Hawe,Reid,Steven and Sharp,plus Adrian Heath (who was injured back in 85) started against us in the 5th round of the FA Cup on 21st Feb 1988.Ratcliffe,Mountfield,Bracewell and Sheedy missed that match due to injury.

 

Lineker came and went as we know,but we lost Rushie and Mark Lawrenson.Jim Beglin was all but finished by Gary Stevens.Kenny rebuilt us better,but Everton spent big on Tony Cottee (£2 million) Ian Snodin,Pat Nevin and Dave Watson in the same time period.

 

 

 

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On 25/02/2020 at 17:27, Bjornebye said:

Apparently the European cup was/is easy to win. All 6 of ours were easy. All none of theirs were easy too then I suppose.

 

Thomasc

Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
In fairness, they were fairly clear on their criteria and, based on that criteria, it would be hard to disagree.

Do you think that there is a case for any non Man Utd or Liverpool side being the best English side ever? I don't.

The great City, Chelsea and Arsenal sides never won a European Cup, where as the former two did - it's hard to create a reasonable set of criteria that puts any of those three above the great Utd / Liverpool sides.

Carragher said the Arsenal side was the best English side he played against. Neville said the Chelsea 04/05 side was the best English side he played against. They were certainly great teams and recognised as such, they just failed at key moments in Europe that really mattered.
yes of course there is a case.

man city won a domestic treble last season.

to date, Arsenal are the only side to go a whole season without losing.

It was far easier to win the European cup when Liverpool won it in those days. Go back and look at the teams they played on a two legged basis to get to the final. Teams like the mighty Crusaders, St Etienne and Zurich.

the European cup is exactly what it is, a cup. The best sides in their own leagues don’t even win it most years. Liverpool being an example, they year they won it and finished 5th in the premier league.
 

The fact that bellend talks down St Etienne tells you everything he knows about football

 

 

They won 9 league titles between 1964 and 1981. And 7 in 10 seasons 67-76

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Talking of easy rides to a final

UCD

Inter Bratislavs

Fortuna Sittard

Bayern Munich

Rapid Vienna

 

So barring Bayern who did they beat

 

They have a 20% win record in the European Cup/Champions league Inc qualifiers. Played 10 won 2 games

 

They've only ever won two ties in the competition beating borussia Monchengladbach on penalties  and the mighty Knattspyrnudeild Keflavík. 

 

They've only ever made it past the quarter final stages in Europe once. 

I guess all thos pre 1985 failures are somehow out fault aswell

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/sport/football/neville-southall-analysis-champions-league-draw-everton-europe-manchester-city-fc-1959859%3famp

 

Southall gone full bitter. Funny the way he said exactly the opposite at a sportsmans dinner I went to about 4 years ago. 

 

It's the only thing they've got left to talk about. 

 

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41 minutes ago, Lee909 said:

The fact that bellend talks down St Etienne tells you everything he knows about football

 

 

They won 9 league titles between 1964 and 1981. And 7 in 10 seasons 67-76

And they  were in the final the season before vs Bayern, and the Favourite that year to win it ! 

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13 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

They're boss. A constant source of amusement. 

 

But, remember, it was OUR heads that fell off... 

 

 

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Yep, thick cunts, show the world you're far more concerned about Liverpool than anything your own club doesat home. They are truely beyond reason.

 

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27 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

They're boss. A constant source of amusement. 

 

But, remember, it was OUR heads that fell off... 

 

 

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Reidy not understanding how programs like Photoshop work. And the only thing it’d be remembered for is how small time their behaviour was.

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1 minute ago, Anubis said:


Reidy not understanding how programs like Photoshop work. And the only thing it’d be remembered for is how small time their behaviour was.

Yep, they would just look like pathetic bitter twats.

 

Remember when Arsenal won the league at Anfield with the last kick of the season?. Liverpool fans stayed to applaud Arsenal when they were presented with the trophy. But its Everton who are the classy ones.

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1 hour ago, Doctor Troy said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/inews.co.uk/sport/football/neville-southall-analysis-champions-league-draw-everton-europe-manchester-city-fc-1959859%3famp

 

Southall gone full bitter. Funny the way he said exactly the opposite at a sportsmans dinner I went to about 4 years ago. 

 

It's the only thing they've got left to talk about. 

 

Fucking hell, the binman's gone full on Pisscan Kendall in the Echo there!

 

 

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