*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Mudface]

7 minutes ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

In case any of you are interested, there is a guy in Russia who makes YouTube videos about all the corrupt politicians. He has been put in prison several times and will probably be killed one of these days, but he keeps doing it.

 

Here is the video he made about Usmanov and his corruption (you'll have to put English subtitles on, but it's worth it). It's hilarious how open he is about the whole thing, he barely even pretends that he's not paying massive bribes to politicians in exchange for support with his business concerns. As a bonus, it shows Usmanov's massive mansion.

 

 

Usmanov's a fucking brute- https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/09/alisher_usmanov/

 

Alisher Usmanov, potential Arsenal chairman, is a Vicious Thug, Criminal, Racketeer, Heroin Trafficker and Accused Rapist 

I thought I should make my views on Alisher Usmanov quite plain to you. You are unlikely to see much plain talking on Usmanov elsewhere in the media becuase he has already used his billions and his lawyers in a pre-emptive strike. They have written to all major UK newspapers, including the latter:

 

Mr Usmanov was imprisoned for various offences under the old Soviet regime. We wish to make it clear our client did not commit any of the offences with which he was charged. He was fully pardoned after President Mikhail Gorbachev took office. All references to these matters have now been expunged from police records . . . Mr Usmanov does not have any criminal record.

 

Let me make it quite clear that Alisher Usmanov is a criminal. He was in no sense a political prisoner, but a gangster and racketeer who rightly did six years in jail. The lawyers cunningly evoke “Gorbachev”, a name respected in the West, to make us think that justice prevailed. That is completely untrue.

 

Usmanov’s pardon was nothing to do with Gorbachev. It was achieved through the growing autonomy of another thug, President Karimov, at first President of the Uzbek Soviet Socialist Republic and from 1991 President of Uzbekistan. Karimov ordered the “Pardon” because of his alliance with Usmanov’s mentor, Uzbek mafia boss and major international heroin overlord Gafur Rakimov. Far from being on Gorbachev’s side, Karimov was one of the Politburo hardliners who had Gorbachev arrested in the attempted coup that was thwarted by Yeltsin standing on the tanks outside the White House.

 

Usmanov is just a criminal whose gangster connections with one of the World’s most corrupt regimes got him out of jail. He then plunged into the “privatisation” process at a time when gangster muscle was used to secure physical control of assets, and the alliance between the Russian Mafia and Russian security services was being formed.

Usmanov has two key alliances. he is very close indeed to President Karimov, and especially to his daughter Gulnara. It was Usmanov who engineered the 2005 diplomatic reversal in which the United States was kicked out of its airbase in Uzbekistan and Gazprom took over the country’s natural gas assets. Usmanov, as chairman of Gazprom Investholdings paid a bribe of $88 million to Gulnara Karimova to secure this. This is set out on page 366 of Murder in Samarkand.

 

Alisher Usmanov had risen to chair of Gazprom Investholdings because of his close personal friendship with Putin, He had accessed Putin through Putin’s long time secretary and now chef de cabinet, Piotr Jastrzebski. Usmanov and Jastrzebski were roommates at college. Gazprominvestholdings is the group that handles Gazproms interests outside Russia, Usmanov’s role is, in effect, to handle Gazprom’s bribery and sleaze on the international arena, and the use of gas supply cuts as a threat to uncooperative satellite states.

 

Gazprom has also been the tool which Putin has used to attack internal democracy and close down the independent media in Russia. Gazprom has bought out – with the owners having no choice – the only independent national TV station and numerous rgional TV stations, several radio stations and two formerly independent national newspapers. These have been changed into slavish adulation of Putin. Usmanov helped accomplish this through Gazprom. The major financial newspaper, Kommersant, he bought personally. He immediately replaced the editor-in-chief with a pro-Putin hack, and three months later the long-serving campaigning defence correspondent, Ivan Safronov, mysteriously fell to his death from a window.

 

All this, both on Gazprom and the journalist’s death, is set out in great detail here:

http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2007/06/russian_journal.html

Usmanov is also dogged by the widespread belief in Uzbekistan that he was guilty of a particularly atrocious rape, which was covered up and the victim and others in the know disappeared. The sad thing is that this is not particularly remarkable. Rape by the powerful is an everyday hazard in Uzbekistan, again as outlined in Murder in Samarkand page 120. If anyone has more detail on the specific case involving Usmanov please add a comment.

I reported back in 2002 or 2003 in an Ambassadorial top secret telegram to the Foreign Office that Usmanov was the most likely favoured successor of President Karimov as totalitarian leader of Uzbekistan. I also outlined the Gazprom deal (before it happened) and the present by Usmanov to Putin (though in Jastrzebski’s name) of half of Mapobank, a Russian commercial bank owned by Usmanov. I will never forget the priceless reply from our Embassy in Moscow. They said that they had never even heard of Alisher Usmanov, and that Jastrzebski was a jolly nice friend of the Ambassador who would never do anything crooked.

 

Sadly, I expect the football authorities will be as purblind. Football now is about nothing but money, and even Arsenal supporters – as tight-knit and homespun a football community as any – can be heard saying they don’t care where the money comes from as long as they can compete with Chelsea.

 

I fear that is very wrong. Letting as diseased a figure as Alisher Usmanov into your club can only do harm in the long term.

[Anubis]

Time for the PL to look at that Finch Farm sponsorship deal..,

[Bobby Hundreds]

Everton wouldn't mind finishing 2nd and being robbed of a title by city because city do business the way Everton fans have been wanting to do business ever since uncle Uzzy entered their wet dreams. 

[Bad Red Bull]

Everton and Aston Villa are definitely in trouble with FA's FFP rules. City's punishment means the FA will be also under pressure to impose sanctions

[manwiththestick]

9 hours ago, Philtrum said:

"Ifithadnabinfer City cheating they'd have finished 4th and qualified for the Champions League in 13/14."

 

 

Right. I have a problem with this. We all know they would have WON the CL, not just qualified.

 

That's how its goes, right?

[Elite]

1 minute ago, Bad Red Bull said:

Everton and Aston Villa are definitely in trouble with FA's FFP rules. City's punishment means the FA will be also under pressure to impose sanctions

Bramley no-moore

[Davelfc]

1 minute ago, Elite said:

Bramley no-moore

Typical, they get no punishment. 

[KMD7]

25 minutes ago, manwiththestick said:

Right. I have a problem with this. We all know they would have WON the CL, not just qualified.

 

That's how its goes, right?

They'll still blame us for it though

[Harry Squatter]

Evertonians making citys ban from Europe somehow about them being banned in 1985. 

[Harry Squatter]

 

 

[Davelfc]

They have to take their minds away from the elephant in the room, Uncle Uzzy and his wandering millions. 

 

He was their lottery win, their saviour from all of this. Of course Moshiri was their saviour before him, he just ended up not being very good at this Billionaire stuff. 

 

Now the reality hits home that even Uncle Uzzy and his billions can't save them. Even spunking millions on naming rights for a non existent stadium won't help. Oh how they laughed at talk of blatant FFP rule breaching to climb go the top table and suddenly the balloon is popped. 

 

Yesterday was a disaster for two sets of bitter fans. One a bunch of deluded fucks, the other a bunch of entitled bitter fucks. 

 

 

[VladimirIlyich]

3 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

Yet it still got battered regularly by its Merseyside neighbours,whose team was hardly their best either.

[VladimirIlyich]

1 minute ago, Philtrum said:

They have to take their minds away from the elephant in the room, Uncle Uzzy and his wandering millions. 

 

He was their lottery win, their saviour from all of this. Of course Moshiri was their saviour before him, he just ended up not being very good at this Billionaire stuff. 

 

Now the reality hits home that even Uncle Uzzy and his billions can't save them. Even spunking millions on naming rights for a non existent stadium won't help. Oh how they laughed at talk of blatant FFP rule breaching to climb go the top table and suddenly the balloon is popped. 

 

Yesterday was a disaster for two sets of bitter fans. One a bunch of deluded fucks, the other a bunch of entitled bitter fucks. 

 

 

Its 'fuckers' for fuck's sake.

[Bobby Hundreds]

15 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

 

 

Blame Thatcher then, it wasn't Liverpool football club who banned them. Why did the ban extend to other clubs. They do realise that hooliganism and violence was absolute rife amongst fans including Everton fans who wrote books on the subject. I'm fairly certain if it was Everton or any other club that played in that stadium that night the exact same thing would of happened. The club itself raised concerns over the safety of the stadium. Fuck them and their Heysel comments they make out they were the victims, 39 people died but the biggest horror is Everton weren't allowed to play football in Europe! They don't lament those deaths they just feel anger through being shit.

 

 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

4 hours ago, Elite said:

Bramley no-moore

Maybe they can tie it in with their naming rights deal.

 

Bramley Moore Docked Points Stadium

[kemskem]

3 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Blame Thatcher then, it wasn't Liverpool football club who banned them. Why did the ban extend to other clubs. They do realise that hooliganism and violence was absolute rife amongst fans including Everton fans who wrote books on the subject. I'm fairly certain if it was Everton or any other club that played in that stadium that night the exact same thing would of happened. The club itself raised concerns over the safety of the stadium. Fuck them and their Heysel comments they make out they were the victims, 39 people died but the biggest horror is Everton weren't allowed to play football in Europe! They don't lament those deaths they just feel anger through being shit.

 

 

Often referring to “the 39 Italians” suggests that they definitely couldn’t give a stuff about those who died.

[Bjornebye]

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Apparently, they feel that they’re not to blame for the ban because it was building up for years, and it was Thatcher’s fault for banning them.

Yeah, let’s not blame the Nazis because anti-semitism was rife in the ‘20s and ‘30s or the fact if was UEFA who banned all clubs, not Thatcher.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

They are truly a class club and fanbase. Bastions of the Corinthian Spirit and morally above reproach.

 

 

 

 

 

 

But enough about Marine.

[Horus]

15 hours ago, Mudface said:

It'd be hilarious if they sneaked into the CL on the back of Man City being banned, then got banned themselves.

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Apparently, they feel that they’re not to blame for the ban because it was building up for years, and it was Thatcher’s fault for banning them.

Yeah, let’s not blame the Nazis because anti-semitism was rife in the ‘20s and ‘30s or the fact if was UEFA who banned all clubs, not Thatcher.

Actually he's right about Thatcher though she pushed for all English sides to be withdrawn.  I've no idea what kind of comparison that Nazi one is.

[Horus]

Anti-semitism has been rife since the middle ages to be fair. 

[Bobby Hundreds]

I've got to add in no way was my post meant to underplay what those Liverpool fans did. They were violent hooligans and their actions cost 39 people their lives. 

[dockers_strike]

4 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Blame Thatcher then, it wasn't Liverpool football club who banned them. Why did the ban extend to other clubs. They do realise that hooliganism and violence was absolute rife amongst fans including Everton fans who wrote books on the subject. I'm fairly certain if it was Everton or any other club that played in that stadium that night the exact same thing would of happened. The club itself raised concerns over the safety of the stadium. Fuck them and their Heysel comments they make out they were the victims, 39 people died but the biggest horror is Everton weren't allowed to play football in Europe! They don't lament those deaths they just feel anger through being shit.

 

 

The fallacy that everton and other fans like to believe is that English clubs caused no trouble at all in Europe and the banning of all English clubs was merely the result of that terrible night in Belgium.

 

But the truth is far removed from that. English clubs had a litany of trouble in Europe in and around grounds. united were the FIRST English team banned by Uefa after their fans rioted at a Cup Winners Cup 1st leg game in St Etienne in 1978. They appealled, were strangely supported in that appeal by St Etienne and re instated with the 2nd leg ordered to be played hundreds of miles from old trafford. The game was eventually played at Plymouth Argyle's ground which united won on aggregate.

 

Leeds fans had rioted earlier in 1975 during their Champions Cup Final when some would say dodgey reffing went against them. Everton are not blemish free either having seen their fans trash Vienna on their way to winning the Cup Winners Cup. I think Spurs fans had some dodgey encounters but cannot remember whether that was after being goaded by Dutch fans.

 

In any case, the terms of the UEFA ban spells out that while Liverpool and Heysel was the final straw, the litany of English troubles abroad resulted in a 5 year ban for Liverpool and 4 years for all other English clubs.

 

If we were the sole cause, UEFA would only have banned us. But they did not because other English clubs had troubles as well. As usual, the blue hordes and others ignore these clear and obvious facts saying we got everyone kicked out of Europe. No we didnt but we were the final straw for UEFA.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Like I said initially there was a reason they banned all English clubs. That aside I think banning all the other English clubs afterwards and for so long was wrong whether it was a final straw or not.

[Barrington Womble]

15 hours ago, Ne Moe Imya said:

In case any of you are interested, there is a guy in Russia who makes YouTube videos about all the corrupt politicians. He has been put in prison several times and will probably be killed one of these days, but he keeps doing it.

 

Here is the video he made about Usmanov and his corruption (you'll have to put English subtitles on, but it's worth it). It's hilarious how open he is about the whole thing, he barely even pretends that he's not paying massive bribes to politicians in exchange for support with his business concerns. As a bonus, it shows Usmanov's massive mansion.

 

 

Bribery and shit is just how they do business there isn't it? I'm not saying I'd like it to be like that here, I just think it's pretty normal for anybody successful in that part of the world has to grease palms along the way. I've not done business in Uzbekistan, but I've done a bit in Moscow and it's a fucking nightmare.