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7 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Do you know who the first English team to be banned from UEFA competition was?

 

Manchester United in 1978. Their fans rioted at St Etienne in a Cup Winner Cup 1st leg game. It was, as you mention, yet another example of English fans smashing up places.

 

UEFA banned united and chucked them out of the competition. But, they appealled and if I remember right, St Etienne even supported them! They were re instated and made to play the 2nd leg at Plymouth which they won.

Yep, didnt they also kill a young lad at Middlesbrough?. They had to play their first 3 home games in one season away from Old Trafford. They even played one at Anfield against Arsenal.

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1 hour ago, rubble-rouser said:

FFS. Heysel hurt Everton. It hurt us too. They were in a financially better place than we were in the years immediately after that. They signed Cottee for more than £3M and were ready to go. They won the league in 87. They failed to capitalise. Fuck em. 

Yeah absolutely. They lost Kendall and Linekar but they had a very good team and more money than us which they squandered. We were lucky in that Jocky, Lawro, Nicol, Whelan et al wanted to stay when all could have played for any team in Europe in the mid to late 80s. We used the rushy money to fund barnes, houghton, aldo and beardsley. Not our fault we invested it properly and won a few more titles.

 

They only really started mentioning heysel when they became crap. Yeah i recall a few if only comments from blues in 87 which is understandable but the derby only changed for me in the 90s. The 86 and 89 cup finals were great days with no ill feeling.

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13 minutes ago, Barnesey said:

I am uncertain as to what more we could have done to acknowledge our part/ responsibility for the Heysel disaster; self flagellation, don a hair shirt? The Club and fans have put their hands up and undertaken measures designed for apology and conciliation.

 

And we should not forget that Heysel did not, in itself, result in a ban for English teams; it was more the final (and worst) straw over 15-20 years of trouble involving English clubs. The reality is Liverpool fans were not involved in anything like the violence that characterised many fan groups travelling to the continent; we had a reputation for shoplifting but not violence unlike, WHU, Utd, Leeds, Spurs and others.

 

And our supporters that day in Belgium included fans of other English fans who had gone for the "craic".

 

As I type this I can see others reading it as a poor excuse for our behaviour that day - whatever the provocation - but the biased stance taken in that article needs to be read in the wider context.

Chelsea fans still go on about John Smith saying he saw Chelsea fans and the NF handing leaflets out around the town as well as outside the stadium.

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2 hours ago, rubble-rouser said:

It’s not remotely miserable. It’s a consequence of success. If they were successful they would have more fans and  a smaller proportion of local fans. It’s just maths. 

I mean how the game has become a vehicle for capitalist gain, losing its identity along the way, and the Americanised model of cashing in on all parts of the “franchise”, no matter the loss of identity to what made the club what it was in the first place. 
 

Football used to be a community based activity, supporting the success of your own, with your own. That isn’t the game anymore. It is very miserable.

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18 minutes ago, Tony Moanero said:

 

That article is pure comedy gold, reading highly recommended. They have really taken this well, with a bit of luck it might just push them over the edge. 

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Amazing that we could as a club be considered to have forgotten Heysel. If you go to the home page of our website and scroll down there's a big banner link to details of Heysel. You can't miss it, it's right next to one about Hillsborough.

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5 minutes ago, Frank Dacey said:

Amazing that we could as a club be considered to have forgotten Heysel. If you go to the home page of our website and scroll down there's a big banner link to details of Heysel. You can't miss it, it's right next to one about Hillsborough.

And a memorial on the side of the Kenny Dalglish stand. 

 

A lot of outsiders seem to believe we place more emphasis on the Hllsborough disaster and ignore Heysel completely.

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5 hours ago, Dave D said:

They are splitting up with us.

 

And Ive decided to dump Abbey Clancy as well 

Probably for the best before Selma Hayek found out.

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I am put in mind of Jesus in South Park.

 

Yay - hear me my children:

 

18 - Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past.

19 - See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up, do you not perceive it?

 

Isaiah 43.

 

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19 minutes ago, Red_or_Dead said:

That last article posted above is one of the biggest load of contradictory bollocks I have ever read in my entire life.  Absolutely blinkered, deluded bollocks.

 

 

He had a go at Tony Evans for his article on the Derby atmosphere and relationship between the clubs. 

 

Told him not to write about a club he doesnt understand. 

 

They really have a strange and unjustified opinion of their own importance. No one outside of the city and the small pockets of places where they have supporters care about them and they haven't been relevant since 1987. 

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1 hour ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

They only really started mentioning heysel when they became crap. Yeah i recall a few if only comments from blues in 87 which is understandable but the derby only changed for me in the 90s. The 86 and 89 cup finals were great days with no ill feeling.

Correct. The longer they went without being a competitive force the more obsessed they became with Heysel, to the point where the word Heysel is now almost as synonymous with Everton as it is the stadium disaster.

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Linekar signed for them after Hysel happened. Just like Kendall, and the players that went to Rangers, I’d imagine a big bump in earnings was the primary reason for them leaving.

 

They have been badly run for years, probably since Sir John Moores passed away. If anything their 80’s team was an anomaly as they were terrible in the 70’s and they’ve been terrible since the 90’s.

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2 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

That is what makes that article so hypocritical. Liverpoolfc or the fans never took on board their part in Heysel or apologised to Everton.

 

Also, heysel wasn't a one off incident that Liverpool fans meticulously planned to attack Juventus supporters. It was the culmination of 15 years of bad behaviour at home and domestically. Man united have no reason to have a go at us as their fans were utter cunts for years. Also England fans smashing up Basel and Luxembourg.

Don't forget those holier than holy Bitters were just as bad ...seem to remember some nasty stuff from them on some ferries ..they may have had a nice day out in Firmless Vienna but they sure as fuck  gave as good as they got elsewhere in Europe

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21 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

Linekar signed for them after Hysel happened. Just like Kendall, and the players that went to Rangers, I’d imagine a big bump in earnings was the primary reason for them leaving.

 

They have been badly run for years, probably since Sir John Moores passed away. If anything their 80’s team was an anomaly as they were terrible in the 70’s and they’ve been terrible since the 90’s.

Lineker also signed for Spurs during the ban.

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They terrorised a cross channel ferry fighting with West Ham and United fans (I think) (1986).

United fans caused a wall to collapse at Ayrsome Park on an exit gate and it killed two elderly people who were Boro season ticket holders  (12/1/80).
We’ll always have Heysel hanging over us because, regardless of how circumstances conspired to allow it to happen, it was us who were there and, had our fans not charged, there wouldn’t have been those deaths.

That’s the reality and it will never change.

You will never, ever, get some Evertonians to change their view that we cost them European domination that night, because it has become the crutch protecting them from the reality that they, and only they, have suffered for thirty five years and they are completely out of step with every other club that were directly affected by the ban after Heysel.

For them to accept Heysel didn’t have as much of an effect on their fortunes as they claim is asking them to admit they have been badly run and poorly managed with sub standard players since then, and that this is the real reason for their continued failure to become successful.

It won’t happen, and until something does happen to change their fortunes, Heysel will be the only thing they will be able to hang onto for “justification”.

 

We should just get on with it and carry on winning shit.

 

 

 

 

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Never ever let Everton go on about football hooliganism. Loads of their lot were NF in the late 80's and early 90's. Fucking about with England away causing all sorts of shit. This is their best selling book:

 

9781903854259.jpg

 

Its all about fighting and slashing. It has a whole chapter dedicated to the County Road Cutters. Begging up things like the time they slashed up a young Utd fan called Jobe Henry. 

 

Every team has twats following them but they take the fucking piss if they want to label us as hooligans. Pretty sure Andy Nicholls says he was at Heysel himself (why was he there?) and he still manages to spit his vile and blame it all on Liverpool. 

 

 

 

 

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Back then everyone had their share of scallies and shitheads.

We’d been in Europe for twenty or so years without any major violence attributed to us, we were more into robbing boutiques and sports shops.

Doesn’t excuse us from what happened of course.

After Heysel there was a program on Granada with United, Chelsea, West Ham etc. etc. and the host was asking for their “views”.

One of the West Ham fans said “This was always going to happen, the Scousers were unlucky it was them, it could have been any English team.”

Except Everton of course.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Doctor Troy said:

He had a go at Tony Evans for his article on the Derby atmosphere and relationship between the clubs. 

 

Told him not to write about a club he doesnt understand. 

 

They really have a strange and unjustified opinion of their own importance. No one outside of the city and the small pockets of places where they have supporters care about them and they haven't been relevant since 1987. 

Tony Evans who wrote the best, most honest and even-handed piece on Heysel I’ve ever read. 

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1 hour ago, Red_or_Dead said:

That last article posted above is one of the biggest load of contradictory bollocks I have ever read in my entire life.  Absolutely blinkered, deluded bollocks.

 

 

The author is clearly deranged. 

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29 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Never ever let Everton go on about football hooliganism. Loads of their lot were NF in the late 80's and early 90's. Fucking about with England away causing all sorts of shit. This is their best selling book:

 

9781903854259.jpg

 

Its all about fighting and slashing. It has a whole chapter dedicated to the County Road Cutters. Begging up things like the time they slashed up a young Utd fan called Jobe Henry. 

 

Every team has twats following them but they take the fucking piss if they want to label us as hooligans. Pretty sure Andy Nicholls says he was at Heysel himself (why was he there?) and he still manages to spit his vile and blame it all on Liverpool. 

 

 

 

 

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOASTING+THUG+HAS+NO+SHAME+Talk+Back+Should+Nicholls+be+allowed+to...-a092946463

 

He says he sold spare tickets to Italian fans in the neutral end.

 

Also tried to stab Vinnie Jones when he played for Wimbledon.

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28 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Never ever let Everton go on about football hooliganism. Loads of their lot were NF in the late 80's and early 90's. Fucking about with England away causing all sorts of shit. This is their best selling book:

 

9781903854259.jpg

 

Its all about fighting and slashing. It has a whole chapter dedicated to the County Road Cutters. Begging up things like the time they slashed up a young Utd fan called Jobe Henry. 

 

Every team has twats following them but they take the fucking piss if they want to label us as hooligans. Pretty sure Andy Nicholls says he was at Heysel himself (why was he there?) and he still manages to spit his vile and blame it all on Liverpool. 

 

 

 

 

Those hooligan books are absolutely ridiculous. I read one that I was given by a lad on holidays. Most of them seem to be cockneys making out they took an SAS style swat team up to places like Boro and Leeds and ran riot with the locals. No doubt some of them claim that 20 or 30 of them took on a full 1970s Kop or Stretford End.

 

My memories of away games like Boro and Leeds was being half terrified of them and giving it serious toes at times. Big hard bastards who could spot you a mile away.  Thankfully I was fast then.

 

Everton and Liverpool fans of that inkling used to join up when united, chelsea or leeds came to town. Different times.

 

Mad that despite all the agro back then, I don't think there was half the bile. 

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Christ, Sunday's match seeks to have actually broken them. I used to laugh reading this thread but it's getting a bit depressing now - I think Everton fans should just pack up and get another hobby. 

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8 minutes ago, Ronnie Whelan said:

Those hooligan books are absolutely ridiculous. I read one that I was given by a lad on holidays. Most of them seem to be cockneys making out they took an SAS style swat team up to places like Boro and Leeds and ran riot with the locals. No doubt some of them claim that 20 or 30 of them took on a full 1970s Kop or Stretford End.

 

My memories of away games like Boro and Leeds was being half terrified of them and giving it serious toes at times. Big hard bastards who could spot you a mile away.  Thankfully I was fast then.

 

Everton and Liverpool fans of that inkling used to join up when united, chelsea or leeds came to town. Different times.

 

Mad that despite all the agro back then, I don't think there was half the bile. 

That Nicky Altt one is half a hooligan book and half one reminiscing about Liverpool in the 70s and 80s. 

 

He said that none of the so called cockney firms ever did anything apart from Spurs who got legged into Anfield cemetery. 

 

Nicky Altt is about 5ft 6 yet says how he battered a Belgian fella outside Wembley in 1978 and robbed his European cup final tickets. Said he bunked in everywhere round Europe 

 

He came up to me and a workmate in the supporters club asking for donations for something. This lad kicked off on him saying he should put all the money in he saved bunking on trains and into grounds in the 80s and told him to fuck off. 

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