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2 hours ago, scudger99 said:

He's actually a brilliant example of the difference in player selection between Rodgers and Klopp.  Rodgers wanted to sign him, but blew him out when he wanted too much money.  "More than what he's worth" was Rodgers's own quote.

Klopp said early on that he wanted players who would "push the bus".  He was talking about players who would push themselves out of their comfort zone in difficult situations and rise to the challenge, players who could help turn bad situations round.  Sigurdsson is a luxury player, easy on the eye when his team is well on top.  He went to Spurs and did fuck all, crawled back to Swansea in the end.  He's a talented player, but he clearly disappears when the going gets tough and he doesn't have that battling winner's mentality for sure.  An absolute natural for the current Everton shambles then.

I got the impression at times that player mentality played a small part in Rodgers's selection process (don't even mention fucking Balotelli).  With Klopp it's every bit as important as the skillset with the ball.  If you can't raise your game when the going gets tough then you won't be playing for Klopp's Liverpool.

To an extent - but Klopp's players are typically characterised by superb stamina and -- often -- pace. Far more likely that Sigurdsson doesn't make the grade on account of him turning like a truck than any perceived mental weaknesses. He just doesn't have the legs for the game at that level when the opposition sets to harrying. Simple.

Rodgers spoke obsessively about mentality (Dr Steve Peters & his chimp on the shoulder, anyone? Remember when that was earning plaudits in 13/14?), but ultimately he just didn't have the tactical nous or eye for a player and system that Klopp has had. Klopp & his team have just boiled football down to a science.

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3 hours ago, Stouffer said:

That episode of Red Dwarf where Rimmer's most vivid dreams and fantasies will come true if he can imagine it but all he can ever think of is horrible shit happening to him.

 

Everton that.

Blue man droop.

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9 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

To an extent - but Klopp's players are typically characterised by superb stamina and -- often -- pace. Far more likely that Sigurdsson doesn't make the grade on account of him turning like a truck than any perceived mental weaknesses. He just doesn't have the legs for the game at that level when the opposition sets to harrying. Simple.

Rodgers spoke obsessively about mentality (Dr Steve Peters & his chimp on the shoulder, anyone? Remember when that was earning plaudits in 13/14?), but ultimately he just didn't have the tactical nous or eye for a player and system that Klopp has had. Klopp & his team have just boiled football down to a science.

Rodgers wanted to look people in the eye to see if they have what it takes.

 

We now look at the stats and a players whole history.

 

More facts less wishful thinking

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Liverpool’s squad were too young to know what fear is, so it was just age discrimination against us because we played all adults and the FA should investigate for breaking labour laws

 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

 

 

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2 hours ago, Doctor Troy said:

According to the Echo Ancelotti wants to get shut of Sigurdsson. 

 

Be interesting to see how big a hit they have to take on him, if he's actually willing to give up his big contract  and move elsewhere on probably half the wages he's on now. 

I think Ancelotti might be in over his head with Everton, or he just doesn't really care and this is his last pay day. 

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39 minutes ago, Alex_K said:

To an extent - but Klopp's players are typically characterised by superb stamina and -- often -- pace. Far more likely that Sigurdsson doesn't make the grade on account of him turning like a truck than any perceived mental weaknesses. He just doesn't have the legs for the game at that level when the opposition sets to harrying. Simple.

Rodgers spoke obsessively about mentality (Dr Steve Peters & his chimp on the shoulder, anyone? Remember when that was earning plaudits in 13/14?), but ultimately he just didn't have the tactical nous or eye for a player and system that Klopp has had. Klopp & his team have just boiled football down to a science.

Stamina is something that still depends heavily on mentality.  To reach the point where you're absolutely fucked or right up against it and to push even harder takes the willpower to utilise that stamina.  The brain always registers tiredness before the physical parts of the body, it's a safety guard.  It takes that extra something to dig deep and push even harder, particularly when things aren't going in your favour.  Amply demonstrated by the number of late winners and the number of times we've come from behind to win.  Gloriously highlighted in the Barca CL semi final.

Mentality was the main difference yesterday between the grown men of Everton and our youth team.

In theory we should have been walloped, but Everton wilted under the pressure and our boys flourished, noticably in the 2nd half.

Rodgers might have talked shite at times and been obsessive about mentality, but it plays a huge part in being successful in sports, particlularly physical ones. 

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9 hours ago, johnsusername said:

I think Ancelotti might be in over his head with Everton, or he just doesn't really care and this is his last pay day. 

He's like Richard Harris in the Wild Geese. 

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9 hours ago, scudger99 said:

Stamina is something that still depends heavily on mentality.  To reach the point where you're absolutely fucked or right up against it and to push even harder takes the willpower to utilise that stamina.  The brain always registers tiredness before the physical parts of the body, it's a safety guard.  It takes that extra something to dig deep and push even harder, particularly when things aren't going in your favour.  Amply demonstrated by the number of late winners and the number of times we've come from behind to win.  Gloriously highlighted in the Barca CL semi final.

Mentality was the main difference yesterday between the grown men of Everton and our youth team.

In theory we should have been walloped, but Everton wilted under the pressure and our boys flourished, noticably in the 2nd half.

Rodgers might have talked shite at times and been obsessive about mentality, but it plays a huge part in being successful in sports, particlularly physical ones. 

This is a really good point, and one I wouldn't have understood before the 2012 Olympics when David Rudisha went out on his own to smash the 800m world record. The runner-up broke the old world record and I think there were seven personal bests in the race. He set the pace and everyone around him was motivated to go beyond what they had previously thought possible. It does not seem fanciful to say that Klopp does that for Liverpool.

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I don't think I could ever dislike Ancelotti, and as much as I'm looking forward to them continuing to toil, he deserves better. Their fans are wilfully struggling to realise that he doesn't reshape squads, and the recruitment will still be on the team who accumulated all their shite. Certainly could've picked an easier and more pleasant retirement gig.

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10 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

It’s been given the Paddy Berger treatment.

 

In pain here.

 

 

 

And that doesn't even include Walcott's second half masterclass.

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25 minutes ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

I don't think I could ever dislike Ancelotti, and as much as I'm looking forward to them continuing to toil, he deserves better. Their fans are wilfully struggling to realise that he doesn't reshape squads, and the recruitment will still be on the team who accumulated all their shite. Certainly could've picked an easier and more pleasant retirement gig.

He was even likeable at Chelsea!

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10 hours ago, johnsusername said:

I think Ancelotti might be in over his head with Everton, or he just doesn't really care and this is his last pay day. 

Seems a bit rushed. He was at Napoli about a month ago so its not like he gave it alot of thought. He doesnt look as though he's too arsed but maybe that is just his way.

 

How long is his contract?   

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11 hours ago, Scrump said:

Rodgers wanted to look people in the eye to see if they have what it takes.

 

We now look at the stats and a players whole history.

 

More facts less wishful thinking

Except we looked at stats back then. But Rodgers was so weak we bought some players off stats, some players off his scouting/hunches or whatever the fuck and never combined both. Sakho was bought off the stats. Ballotelli FFS was bought off the stats. Benteke was bought off Rodgers eyes. All shite. Klopp has used some common sense that you should use all the knowledge you have available to you and is prepared to have his eyes opened by the stats which Rodgers never was. There's every chance our stats based system will fail in the future because of who is our manager. Nobody uses stats to buy players more than arsenal, but all they do is buy stacks of shite. 

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42 minutes ago, Dave D said:

Seems a bit rushed. He was at Napoli about a month ago so its not like he gave it alot of thought. He doesnt look as though he's too arsed but maybe that is just his way.

 

How long is his contract?   

5 years I think. 

 

Plus he's one of the highest paid managers in the Prem now, so it's going to be expensive to sack him. 

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58 minutes ago, Dave D said:

Seems a bit rushed. He was at Napoli about a month ago so its not like he gave it alot of thought. He doesnt look as though he's too arsed but maybe that is just his way.

 

How long is his contract?   

I reckon Uncle Uzzy made him an offer he couldn't refuse, and I don't mean the good kind. 

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16 minutes ago, Aventus said:

5 years I think. 

 

Plus he's one of the highest paid managers in the Prem now, so it's going to be expensive to sack him. 

They can just add him to all the other managers they're still paying. 

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Whilst I wouldn't say he's gone there solely for the money, it's obviously the prime motivating factor. My thinking is that he's thought:

  • Best case scenario: go to Everton, trouser a fuckload of cash, moderately successful with them (reasonable transfer budget and turn them into a top 6 side), leave after 4 years or something with reputation completely intact and retire with the goodwill of Everton and 4 years' pay from them in the pension pot.
  • Worst case scenario: go to Everton, trouser a fuckload of cash, don't meet their mad expectations due to a lack of transfer budget and standing in front of a red easter egg, get sacked after a year or so, get a nice payoff for the retirement plan and go manage in China/MLS where they won't turn their noses up at his failure at Everton because he's Carlo fucking Ancelotti.

The common denominator is fuckload of cash. He knows he's coming to the end of his career managing in Europe so there's absolutely no reputational risk for him managing Everton as he's not relying on his time there to define his next job: his next job will either be somewhere they don't give a fuck about that or there won't be a next job. So, in the absence of offers from the top elite (who he's managed most of, to be fair) he's gone to the next best payday in Europe going: midtable Premier League, to chance his arm once more.

 

He's simultaneously the best manager they could have got by a distance, and the worst fit for them as a club. His track record is of a manager who comes in to turn 5/6 world class and 7/8 very good players into league winners and European champions - Everton are 5/6 short of the former and 6/7 short of the latter. They need a manager to rebuild them, not fine tune them, and they've blown the farm on an expert in winning trophies they're not even eligible for. He must be aghast watching those bums surrender to a scratch side in their biggest game of the season - this type of job, this type of club, these types of players - are completely alien to him.

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