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*Shakes head* Everton again.


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Amongst years of delusions of grandeur and decades of bitterness that stands out as a steaming pile of self righteous pious shite. I believe that is real.

 

A huge amount of their community work is government funded, I congratulate them on it, but they're hardly funding it themselves. A lot was losing funding recently.

 

When a top ten finish is worth more than a top four finish and a CL final I stop caring about football.

It's not as we know, just yet more point scoring on things they can twist or don't matter.

 

They wear blinkers and live in a dream world. Fucking idiots.

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They actually genuinely believe all this last Corinthians bullshit. They believe they are a special breed of Superfan that defies the shitness of modern football. Somehow putting up with shite and at best mediocrity is fine just as long as you can recite for or five phrases that make you feel special and remain in a bubble untouched by reality

 

Loads were against protesting on Saturday because it's "Kopite behaviour". That's why they have Bill Kenwright and the Iranian bullshitter as Chairman and Sam Allardyce as manager.

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I wouldnt begrudge them the Johnstones Paint trophy in a couple of years. Be another first for them, like.

 

One Johnstone's Paint Trophy is worth 20 European Cups...

 

Instead of a trophy, it'll be an actual tin of paint. Useful for tarting up their gaff.

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They actually genuinely believe all this last Corinthians bullshit. They believe they are a special breed of Superfan that defies the shitness of modern football. 

Whilst drooling over the prospect of being gifted a new stadium and a future owner in Usmanov, spending like a drunken sailor in a knocking shop.

 

Doublethink at its finest.

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You’d think this was a red in the windup on GOT, but its really not.

 

 

 

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If they lose in Kiev, it will be another trophy-less season, and at least 19 points behind the CHAMPIONS Citteh.

a lot depends on whether we can get at least a point vs West Ham. Should we get to 50 points, and they lose the game in Kiev, I think we can lay claim to having had the more successful season. Certainly we will have wrested the initiative from them as we look forward to next season. But as you imply, if they can win a pot, even a non-domestic one, argument can be made that their season has just shaded ours in terms of tangible return. But I am not entirely convinced that tangible outcome necessarily trumps the intangible. A case could be made that our trophy cabinet is better stocked than theirs if our work in the community and our providing a stable and nurturing 'family' environment for our players is taken in to acccount and were this awarded silverware. Yes, the more cynical on here might therein accuse a 'clutching at straws' dialectic but I guess that's just a shade of grey (i.e. open to debate). Kiev notwithstanding, Evertonians have been presented a season which, on the basis of the club's social consciousness, is one we can all take pride in...and pride of place on Merseyside

 

NSNO

im not having that thats a red on a windup surely ?

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“Yes, the more cynical on here might therein accuse a 'clutching at straws' dialectic but I guess that's just a shade of grey (i.e. open to debate).”

 

It’s either a red on a wind-up or someone who’s had a piano dropped on their head.

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“Yes, the more cynical on here might therein accuse a 'clutching at straws' dialectic but I guess that's just a shade of grey (i.e. open to debate).”

 

It’s either a red on a wind-up or someone who’s had a piano dropped on their head.

Those 2 things are not mutually exclusive. Maybe it's a red on a wind up that's also had a piano dropped on his head?

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You’d think this was a red in the windup on GOT, but its really not.

 

 

 

LEONARD said: ↑

If they lose in Kiev, it will be another trophy-less season, and at least 19 points behind the CHAMPIONS Citteh.

a lot depends on whether we can get at least a point vs West Ham. Should we get to 50 points, and they lose the game in Kiev, I think we can lay claim to having had the more successful season. Certainly we will have wrested the initiative from them as we look forward to next season. But as you imply, if they can win a pot, even a non-domestic one, argument can be made that their season has just shaded ours in terms of tangible return. But I am not entirely convinced that tangible outcome necessarily trumps the intangible. A case could be made that our trophy cabinet is better stocked than theirs if our work in the community and our providing a stable and nurturing 'family' environment for our players is taken in to acccount and were this awarded silverware. Yes, the more cynical on here might therein accuse a 'clutching at straws' dialectic but I guess that's just a shade of grey (i.e. open to debate). Kiev notwithstanding, Evertonians have been presented a season which, on the basis of the club's social consciousness, is one we can all take pride in...and pride of place on Merseyside

 

NSNO

 

Go 'ed Lenny lad, you tell 'em!

 

 

 

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Whilst drooling over the prospect of being gifted a new stadium and a future owner in Usmanov, spending like a drunken sailor in a knocking shop.

 

Doublethink at its finest.

True. The peoples club stuff went out the window pretty quickly when they realised they could spend tons of cash and become everything they've hated.

 

Like some minger who tells the world how great it is to be single and she doesn't need a man in her life but drops her knickers so fast at the first chance of cock in years.

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True. The peoples club stuff went out the window pretty quickly when they realised they could spend tons of cash and become everything they've hated.

 

Like some minger who tells the world how great it is to be single and she doesn't need a man in her life but drops her knickers so fast at the first chance of cock in years.

 

Superb statement.

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Found myself thinking about the Ev a bit much this morning after reading some of those golden GOT posts on the train this morning.

 

Am I worried about them? Not especially, although if they get absolutely everything right over the next couple of years then they could start to become a minor thorn in our side. But for all their ambitions of turning that tide, I think there's at least an equal chance that they could do the total opposite.

 

For all their love of their lovely Iranian and his deep pockets, those deep pockets are nothing on Mansour's, Abramovich's, or MUFC plc's. So they're not taking on any of those head on economically. They can try and out-think them, out-manoeuvre them - but ourselves, Spurs and Arsenal are already doing that, are further ahead with that and have bigger incomes to boot. They've a lot of ground to make up and they're not going to do it in one fell swoop: appointing Leicester's head of recruitment and bunging him a wad of cash one summer isn't going to do it.

 

The Premier League's recent history is littered with far more examples of owners who've tried to quickly gate-crash the elite and failed than owners who've stuck at it. FSG - love them or loathe them - have had to try a few different iterations of a model before seeing any kind of sustained success, and they've started from a much stronger base and had healthy income streams to cushion the blow of sacking a Rodgers and his staff, and then flogging a load of his signings for losses afterwards.

 

The warning here to Everton could easily be Aston Villa, or even Sunderland. Both clubs were bought by modestly wealthy owners - not asset-strippers per se, but guys who naively thought: "lot of money in PL football - just get a few signings right over a couple of windows, qualify for the Champions League and the rest writes itself. Hell you can even sell a top asset and re-invest the money to do the work for you - piece of piss." Only it doesn't and it isn't - that method might work a little bit, for a little while, but you'll have to tweak it and change it, rip it up and start over sometimes, as one setup doesn’t work everywhere. After a failure or two, it becomes much easier to curb those ambitions to gatecrash the Champions League and just see your asset tick over in mid-table: except the league punishes you if you don't try and at least jog to stand still. The next thing you know, you've sleepwalked into relegation dogfights and it spirals from there.

 

For Randy Lerner/Ellis Short, read Farhad Moshiri. For Martin O'Neill (Aston Villa)/er Martin O'Neill (Sunderland), read Ronald Koeman. For James Milner/Jordan Henderson, read Romelu Lukaku. For Roberto di Fanti/(whoever Aston Villa's DoF was), read Steve Walsh. Moshiri is historically more likely to look for corners to cut over the next couple of years than he is to keep throwing good money after bad in a desperate fight against the odds to keep Everton swimming against a pretty fucking strong tide.

 

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen - I might not even want it to happen, such is my enjoyment of them at the moment. Moshiri might keep/start spending. The stadium might happen (stop laughing at the back) and that changes things. But the "running out of steam and interest" scenario is a menacingly circling one that few of them seem to have considered.

 

Apologies for the long post - slow morning at work!

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Moshiri's deep pockets are a myth. He is spending nowt of his own. They don't get it and never will.

Borrowing from DT above and twisting it slightly, our blue friends are lime the ugly fucker so made up he's getting his end away he cannot see that the girl is taking the piss and money from his bank account. They're in bed with Marilyn from Home and Away. Ask Matt Le Tissier.

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Found myself thinking about the Ev a bit much this morning after reading some of those golden GOT posts on the train this morning.

 

Am I worried about them? Not especially, although if they get absolutely everything right over the next couple of years then they could start to become a minor thorn in our side. But for all their ambitions of turning that tide, I think there's at least an equal chance that they could do the total opposite.

 

For all their love of their lovely Iranian and his deep pockets, those deep pockets are nothing on Mansour's, Abramovich's, or MUFC plc's. So they're not taking on any of those head on economically. They can try and out-think them, out-manoeuvre them - but ourselves, Spurs and Arsenal are already doing that, are further ahead with that and have bigger incomes to boot. They've a lot of ground to make up and they're not going to do it in one fell swoop: appointing Leicester's head of recruitment and bunging him a wad of cash one summer isn't going to do it.

 

The Premier League's recent history is littered with far more examples of owners who've tried to quickly gate-crash the elite and failed than owners who've stuck at it. FSG - love them or loathe them - have had to try a few different iterations of a model before seeing any kind of sustained success, and they've started from a much stronger base and had healthy income streams to cushion the blow of sacking a Rodgers and his staff, and then flogging a load of his signings for losses afterwards.

 

The warning here to Everton could easily be Aston Villa, or even Sunderland. Both clubs were bought by modestly wealthy owners - not asset-strippers per se, but guys who naively thought: "lot of money in PL football - just get a few signings right over a couple of windows, qualify for the Champions League and the rest writes itself. Hell you can even sell a top asset and re-invest the money to do the work for you - piece of piss." Only it doesn't and it isn't - that method might work a little bit, for a little while, but you'll have to tweak it and change it, rip it up and start over sometimes, as one setup doesn’t work everywhere. After a failure or two, it becomes much easier to curb those ambitions to gatecrash the Champions League and just see your asset tick over in mid-table: except the league punishes you if you don't try and at least jog to stand still. The next thing you know, you've sleepwalked into relegation dogfights and it spirals from there.

 

For Randy Lerner/Ellis Short, read Farhad Moshiri. For Martin O'Neill (Aston Villa)/er Martin O'Neill (Sunderland), read Ronald Koeman. For James Milner/Jordan Henderson, read Romelu Lukaku. For Roberto di Fanti/(whoever Aston Villa's DoF was), read Steve Walsh. Moshiri is historically more likely to look for corners to cut over the next couple of years than he is to keep throwing good money after bad in a desperate fight against the odds to keep Everton swimming against a pretty fucking strong tide.

 

I'm not saying it'll definitely happen - I might not even want it to happen, such is my enjoyment of them at the moment. Moshiri might keep/start spending. The stadium might happen (stop laughing at the back) and that changes things. But the "running out of steam and interest" scenario is a menacingly circling one that few of them seem to have considered.

 

Apologies for the long post - slow morning at work!

 

Good post. I think Everton could struggle to match Wolves if they decide to continue investing in their club. They have a decent stadium even if the pitch is a long way from the stands and because of that Mendes an ability to punch above their weight regarding some transfer targets.

 

Evertons best chance of catching up to us is us imploding on ourselves. I do not see that happening. There are still some decent blues about who you can have a bit of banter with but they are going to find it very difficult to claim to be the peoples club and that shit if this stadium comes off with all the public money backing it up. For the record I do not think it will ever get built and it stinks of shit and heavy crude where they intend putting it. You would need to wear a bio hazard suit to sit in that stadium and survive.

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When you have a fan base that refuse to write the word Liverpool you know something is seriously wrong. 

 

Whenever I am fortunate enough to go on GOT, mainly from links on here, I read each post looking for the word Liverpool, in relation to our club, but just can not find it. 

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