*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Joey8FrogsLegs]

10 hours ago, JoeBuck01 said:

That’s my point really.  I think we have tried to dilute our responsibility for that night, and did so from the start ( some Chelsea fans were there etc).   if we hadn’t charged over, no one would have died , shit stadium or not.  It is on us.  
 

anyway, this is meant to be anti- blue thread ….btw, I was quite proud of them at Millwall a few years back.  Puts helmet on.

 

 

Why?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

10 hours ago, JoeBuck01 said:

That’s my point really.  I think we have tried to dilute our responsibility for that night, and did so from the start ( some Chelsea fans were there etc).   if we hadn’t charged over, no one would have died , shit stadium or not.  It is on us.  
 

anyway, this is meant to be anti- blue thread ….btw, I was quite proud of them at Millwall a few years back.  Puts helmet on.

 

 

Fucking hell.

 

Are you actually a Blue WUM?

[Paulie Dangerously]

10 hours ago, JoeBuck01 said:

That’s my point really.  I think we have tried to dilute our responsibility for that night, and did so from the start ( some Chelsea fans were there etc).   if we hadn’t charged over, no one would have died , shit stadium or not.  It is on us.  
 

anyway, this is meant to be anti- blue thread ….btw, I was quite proud of them at Millwall a few years back.  Puts helmet on.

 

 

Based solely on this comment I'm now working on the assumption you're a blue on the wind up as I've never heard a red in real life say this. 

 

My old man was there and maintains it was a two way street, and if the Italians had stood their ground and had a fair scrap a disaster would've been avoided. 

[JoeBuck01]

Not a Blue but maybe I haven’t got the venom towards them as some others…I’ve lived away from the City for 25 years and haven’t been to a Goodison derby since 97, so maybe not caught up with their daily bile.  Plus I go to some London games with my best mate whose a Blue when he’s down.

 

the Millwall comment was more that , after October 04 and their Hillsborough and John Peel songs, it was good to see them getting a pasting from a bunch of scousers.

 

As for Heysel, people were ringing into Radio City days after saying Chelsea fans were there. They weren’t and we may have been provoked, but it was on us.

[Redder Lurtz]

14 minutes ago, JoeBuck01 said:

 

 

the Millwall comment was more that , after October 04 and their Hillsborough and John Peel songs, it was good to see them getting a pasting from a bunch of scousers.

 

 

Yaaayy for football hooliganism and violent, tribal retribution. Hurrah. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

30 minutes ago, Redder Lurtz said:

Yaaayy for football hooliganism and violent, tribal retribution. Hurrah. 

Unless it's Liverpool fans doing it, in which case they are 100% responsible for everything bad that happens.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

On 04/11/2021 at 21:35, Strontium Dog™ said:

James Cameron presents The Abyss (Everton Director's Cut)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hahahahhaha

[DalyanPete]

19 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Unless it's Liverpool fans doing it, in which case they are 100% responsible for everything bad that happens.

Most definitely, I love mixing and sharing ice creams with juventus and Roma fans.

 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

This Joe Buck cunt must be a blue, the stupid twat. Sounds just like St Domingo.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

13 hours ago, JoeBuck01 said:

Of course not. We got our photos and fingerprints taken at Zeebrugge and were all spaced out and shattered about what happened, as well as being genuinely scared. I was with my Uncle who thankfully was a calming presence.  All a bit different earlier in the day at the Grand Place when we exchanged scarves with some Italians. It was a bad dream all round.

You sir are a liar.

[Bourbon]

1 hour ago, JoeBuck01 said:

Not a Blue but maybe I haven’t got the venom towards them as some others…I’ve lived away from the City for 25 years and haven’t been to a Goodison derby since 97, so maybe not caught up with their daily bile.  Plus I go to some London games with my best mate whose a Blue when he’s down.

 

the Millwall comment was more that , after October 04 and their Hillsborough and John Peel songs, it was good to see them getting a pasting from a bunch of scousers.

 

As for Heysel, people were ringing into Radio City days after saying Chelsea fans were there. They weren’t and we may have been provoked, but it was on us.

Big game at the old lady tomorrow, Joe.

 

Do you think Conte will have time to make a difference or look to rely on Kane and Son to cause you problems?

 

Defensive worries for your lot - is Mina even back in the country?

 

Can’t afford to fall further behind, you could do without dropping back into that bottom 8 again, especially with a tough winter fixture list. 

[Red74]

16 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/how-scousers-see-off-fascists/

 

"In the 1975 municipal elections, for example, the National Front gained only 3% of the vote in Liverpool and the British Movement 2%. At the same time, however, some Everton fans gained a reputation for racism, and graffiti supporting the National Front was common in the area."

 

They are the stain on this city. 

The NF used to recruit at that shit tip back in the 80’s. 

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

17 hours ago, Boss said:

As opposed to some of their greatest hits which feature...

 

Throwing a banana on the field for John Barnes

Being voted the most racist fanbase in England ahead of Millwall

Rubbing snot on fellow supporters heads

Punching opposition players whilst holding a baby

Getting into knife fights with Millwall fans

Stabbing rival fans with Stanley knives

Getting tear-gassed in Lille for smashing the city up

Singing racist songs about their own player

Making John Stones cry in a petrol station

Providing a safe house for one of their players, accused of paedophilia

Setting fire to Wimbledon's coach

Disowning a manager because he had red decorations on his Christmas tree

Chanting "Everton are white" at games

 

 

You slash with a Stanley you dry lunch! Melt!

[Harry Squatter]

Saint Domingo probably forgot about these incidents too. Even abusing their own player (well he eventually became their own player). 

[General Dryness]

3 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Fucking hell.

 

Are you actually a Blue WUM?

Defo a bloo. He'll be back over at GOT with all his mutant buddies giving it "ar ay I made dem der redshites heads fall off."

 

I would assert that our heads have not fallen off, any more than this wums parents were not brother and sister.

[DalyanPete]

1 hour ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

You sir are a liar.

Certainly didn't get my photo or fingerprints taken, might have just been targeting anyone who looked bitter.

[Redder Lurtz]

2 hours ago, VERBAL DIARRHEA said:

This Joe Buck cunt must be a blue, the stupid twat. Sounds just like St Domingo.

I concur, sir. Either that or a massive lying bellend. 

[Barrington Womble]

16 hours ago, JoeBuck01 said:

Heysel  was 100% our fault and the most shameful day in our history. I was there and it is all on us…we killed 39 innocent people.  Fuck the irrelevant stories of a shit stadium ( it was no worst than others back then) or them attacking a father and son in the neutral section.. 

 

we had a load of wankers who couldn’t take their ale in the sun who thought it would be ok to attack a load of middle aged Italians. Cowards.
 

 

 

 

I've thought you were a blue on a wind up for a while. I've no doubt now. Proud of the blues slashing at milwall. Say no more. 

16 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That's simply untrue.

 

That level of fighting could have happened in any badly-managed, badly-stewarded, badly-policed stadium in Europe back then; and if it had happened elsewhere, nobody would have died. The shit stadium was as "irrelevant" to the disaster as the shit cladding was to Grenfell.

It's not worth the discussion with him. He's just playing the blue line. The only thing missing was saying murderers, but he pretty much said that without using the words. 

16 hours ago, DalyanPete said:

I was there too, beg to differ on your account of the day.

Most shameful day is not disputed, but the rest.

A big no.

Exactly. We played a part, a large part. And there was more to it than just our fans. 

[Halcyon Days]

15 hours ago, Harry Squatter said:

Had two Uncles who were there. One actually on the LFC bench and another who had gone there 3 days before.

 

My Uncke who went as a fan said the atmosphere until the night before was sound then Italian fans who arrived then were intent on causing trouble. The other Italian fans who had been there for a couple of days were friendly and would interact with our fans, drinking and playing football. My uncle stayed on a campsite but had most of his belongings stolen and his tent slashed to bits by Italian fans. He said some weren't even Juventus fans. 

 

The day of the game he said it was a great atmosphere with both sets of fans socialising together until around 6pm when everything turned nasty.with fights on the way up there. A lot were just glad to get in the stadium. However, there were bricks being constantly thrown at the Liverpool fans who also started throwing things back at the Juventus fans. 

 

My other uncle who was on the coaching staff heard around 6.30 that there was trouble and Joe Fagan had gone out to talk to our fans who had apparently rioted. No one in the dressing room really knew what had happened only that there had been rioting.

 

Later on when the wall had collapsed a couple of our fans went to help drag people out but got warned by a British police officer who was working with the Belgian police to stay out of the area or risk being killed by angry Juventus fans. 

 

While the fighting was going on the Belgian police just basically shrugged their shoulders and walked off. 

 

No Liverpool fan can ever say we weren't to blame but Liverpool fans would never attacked Juventus fans without provocation or that the Belgian authorities did nothing to control the situation. 

 

 

Spot on, my old man was there and his love of football was forever tainted after it. I still have two of his items from that night. His ticket that’s still in one piece, he had to enter through a hole in a wall instead of the entrance due to the carnage outside and a Juventus scarf he swapped with an Italian earlier in the day. For me these two objects sum up my Dad’s and probably most fans on both side’s experience of the day and that tragic night. To apportion all the blame on us is too simplistic and ignoring countless other factors and precursors like Rome ‘84. A tragic loss of life that should never had happened, god bless them all.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

4 minutes ago, Halcyon Days said:

Spot on, my old man was there and his love of football was forever tainted after it. I still have two of his items from that night. His ticket that’s still in one piece, he had to enter through a hole in a wall instead of the entrance due to the carnage outside and a Juventus scarf he swapped with an Italian earlier in the day. For me these two objects sum up my Dad’s and probably most fans on both side’s experience of the day and that tragic night. To apportion all the blame on us is too simplistic and ignoring countless other factors and precursors like Rome ‘84. A tragic loss of life that should never had happened, god bless them all.

My uncle was in his late 40s and got his head split open with a brick, Rome the year earlier had his split open by a bottle. Never went the game again, I took over his ST.

[Harry Squatter]

The "it was Chelsea" thing is Evertonian Twitter Bingo. You will see it mentioned all the time when they get onto their favourite subject of Heysel. 

[Harry Squatter]

59 minutes ago, Halcyon Days said:

Spot on, my old man was there and his love of football was forever tainted after it. I still have two of his items from that night. His ticket that’s still in one piece, he had to enter through a hole in a wall instead of the entrance due to the carnage outside and a Juventus scarf he swapped with an Italian earlier in the day. For me these two objects sum up my Dad’s and probably most fans on both side’s experience of the day and that tragic night. To apportion all the blame on us is too simplistic and ignoring countless other factors and precursors like Rome ‘84. A tragic loss of life that should never had happened, god bless them all.

I love Italy as a country and the people but if there's one thing they are knobheads about is this Ultra style culture. They always fight cowardly and gang up on usually easy targets using weapons as well. You'll very rarely see any of them fight on level terms or without a knife, stick or a motorbike chain. In Rome the year before all our fans were easy targets as we were heavily outnumbered and the police weren't interested. How many times have we seen Roma or Lazio fans attack English fans in bars in the city centre or at the bridges by the stadium?

 

At Heysel they probably thought that Liverpool would either be outnumbered or wouldn't be in a position to fight back. They were the aggressors and have always been the ones who wanted trouble. Our fans had a go back at the ones who started trouble and then a lot of innocent people who just wanted to enjoy the game were dragged into it and lost their lives. The people highlighted in the BBC documentary about Heysel who died were decent people, not thugs who had simply gone to watch Juventus win the European Cup. 

 

Even after Heysel virtually nothing has happened in Italy to address their snide cowardly ultras. I have friends in Italy who refuse to go to games because of the knobhead factor in every set of supporters. 

[Jarvinja Ilnow]

6 hours ago, Redder Lurtz said:

I concur, sir. Either that or a massive lying bellend. 

I think he manages to both quite easily.

[VERBAL DIARRHEA]

Joe seems to have Bucked off!

[Pidge]

I keenly await JoeBuck02.