*Shakes head* Everton again.

[Manny]

1 hour ago, Anubis said:

Seen as a European giant? That put a smile on my face.

 

mahermi1

Player Valuation: £35m

 

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Zatara said:

The concerns for me arent with Gbamin or Kean.

Delph: Surely someone who met him or asked for references would have realised the bloke was poison.

Gomes: I wasnt bothered either way if we signed him...surprised we went over £18mil though...i mean £22mil was 'ok' if we were signing real quality and he would be a rotation player.

Iwobi: I listened to others who used stats to show he was good. Seemed ok in the 10 role but not exactly Zidane or even a djorjaeff...

£57mil for those 3 players...incl Gbamin circa £80mil.

I think i would have done a better job of spending £80mil tbh.

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See what you mean, but at this time we have to realize that we can not attract the players we all want, our fantasy players, because we are not seen as a European giant anymore and most PL clubs can pay what we pay for fees and wages.

 

Absolute bullshit. They were all wanking into a flannel the second they signed him, he'd ran the derby last year, our heads had come off and he was going to power the powershift. One mediocre season though and apparently they never rated him and they're signing Barcelona players to pad out their squad.

 

Lunatics.

[Elite]

European giant? They aren't even a Merseyside giant.

 

Fucking baffling the fantasy world they live in.

[Lee909]

Or even a Djorkaeff

 

Fucking hell, he's better than anyone that's played for them in over 30 fucking years. 

[Tj hooker]

 This comment jumped out at me just because we can't balance our books it's all down to the big boys, he certainly needs a wake up call; For me one way out of this is to look into what the so-called big boys are doing. After all the whole thing is designed around keeping the big clubs at the trough.

[No2]

48 minutes ago, davelfc* said:

https://www.toffeeweb.com/season/19-20/comment/editorial/39753.html

 

TLDR

 

Our P&L situation is such that we cannot add to our costs without (i) significantly increasing our revenues (see above); (ii) significantly reducing our costs; and (iii) generating player trading profits.

 

 

 

To be fair there are some reasonable comments to that 'article' from fans that don't believe in the magic fairy with bags of cash. 

Good read that and shows the importance of getting transfers right. They smell of Leeds Mark II if uncle Ussy isn't the real deal.

[Anubis]

GOT responds....

 

 

 

sharkey1001

Player Valuation: £10m

Today at 1:05 PM

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Stephenlloyd said:

In Ancelotti’s last 4 or 5 interviews, he’s talked about the ambition of the club and owner and wanting to fight for titles. We ain’t doing that on free’s and loans.

also he said we didn’t have to sell to buy.
Obviously he’s talked to Moshiri. Brands and maybe Usmanov. But he’s In for a shock when he sits down with theEsk and gets the true facts.

Don't listen to his podcasts, he personifies doom and gloom. Said the same last year that we haven't a pot to pi$$ in and we Kean, Iwobi, Gbamin, Gomes and Delph... without getting rid of our garbage (Sandro, Bolasie, Tosun, Besic, Garbutt, Niasse, Martina, etc). 

As if Carlo, who had plans to take a break from the game, decided to jump back in with the promise of sell to buy, and work is magic on turning Tom Davies into Pirlo, Theo Walcott into an actual winger who does anything productive and Gylfi Sigurdsson into a box-to-box midfield general. LOL.

Carlo will get £100m+ - i have no doubt about it. We have already saved £20m a year in wages getting rid of some of the garbage. Keep the faith; ignore the Esk - the man hasn't a clue!

[TheDrowningMan]

16 minutes ago, No2 said:

Good read that and shows the importance of getting transfers right. They smell of Leeds Mark II if uncle Ussy isn't the real deal.

Absolute bollocks.

 

Leeds were genuine top four contenders from 1998-2001.

[No2]

Just now, TheDrowningMan said:

Absolute bollocks.

 

Leeds were genuine top four contenders from 1998-2001.

All joking aside if the esk is right they are fucked. They can't trade their way out by buying and selling players, Bolasie, Tosun and Sandro were still on his spread sheet. Nobody wants under performing, over paid players. They have 2 saleable assets in Richarlison and Digne but that turns them into relegation candidates straight away. They have no one else that is worth the wage their on, maybe Holgate and Calvert Lewin but the only teams they would get into play in the championship. The only thing they have going for them is WBA and Fulham are shit so its only 1 place to avoid next year, the year after though?

 

The banks calling in the loans looks a lot more likely that competing near the top 4.

[Davelfc]

Strange that Arsenal announce 55 redundancies and say;

 

“Our main sources of income have all reduced significantly,” Venkatesem and Sanllehi said. “Revenue from broadcasters, matchday and commercial activities have all been hit severely and these impacts will continue into at least the forthcoming 2020-21 season.

“We all hope there will be no ‘second wave’ but we also need to accept that is one of the many uncertainties ahead of us and plan accordingly. "

 

Surely NOW is the time for Moshiri to tell the fans that the stadium will have to go on hold, now is not the time. Just as we put our Anfield Road rebuild on hold. I know why he won't do that, it just seems daft because the longer he leaves it the worse it will be. 

 

I don't give a shiny shite if they build their new stadium, they've had their hopes dashed many times before. They probably deserve one and it won't affect me if they get it, so good luck to them. But any responsible owner (especially one with such a history in accounting) should already know it's not likely to happen any time soon. Plus throwing any new money in just throws them ever deeper in his debt. 

 

They'd have a more realistic chance if they bought a euromillions ticket each week. 

 

[Bjornebye]

35 minutes ago, Anubis said:

GOT responds....

 

 

 

sharkey1001

Player Valuation: £10m

Today at 1:05 PM

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• #22,112

Stephenlloyd said:

In Ancelotti’s last 4 or 5 interviews, he’s talked about the ambition of the club and owner and wanting to fight for titles. We ain’t doing that on free’s and loans.

also he said we didn’t have to sell to buy.
Obviously he’s talked to Moshiri. Brands and maybe Usmanov. But he’s In for a shock when he sits down with theEsk and gets the true facts.

Carlo will get £100m+ - i have no doubt about it. We have already saved £20m a year in wages getting rid of some of the garbage. Keep the faith; ignore the Esk - the man hasn't a clue!

As right as he is, that poster will be getting called a RS right now and threatening PM's saying they are 'onto him'. 

[Bjornebye]

22 minutes ago, TheDrowningMan said:

Absolute bollocks.

 

Leeds were genuine top four contenders from 1998-2001.

Yeah they had some side around then. 

[Harry Squatter]

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

Seen as a European giant? That put a smile on my face.

 

mahermi1

Player Valuation: £35m

 

Forum Supporter

10 minutes ago

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• #19,765

Zatara said:

The concerns for me arent with Gbamin or Kean.

Delph: Surely someone who met him or asked for references would have realised the bloke was poison.

Gomes: I wasnt bothered either way if we signed him...surprised we went over £18mil though...i mean £22mil was 'ok' if we were signing real quality and he would be a rotation player.

Iwobi: I listened to others who used stats to show he was good. Seemed ok in the 10 role but not exactly Zidane or even a djorjaeff...

£57mil for those 3 players...incl Gbamin circa £80mil.

I think i would have done a better job of spending £80mil tbh.

Click to expand...

See what you mean, but at this time we have to realize that we can not attract the players we all want, our fantasy players, because we are not seen as a European giant anymore and most PL clubs can pay what we pay for fees and wages.

 

Bar the trophy they won in 1985 Everton have probably got one of the worst records in Europe out of all the English clubs who've competed since the 1950s. 

[Red_or_Dead]

13 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Bar the trophy they won in 1985 Everton have probably got one of the worst records in Europe out of all the English clubs who've competed since the 1950s. 

Absolutely.  Think I posted earlier on in the thread how we had won more European games in this last decade (when for the most part we weren't very good) than they have in their entire history.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Red_or_Dead said:

Absolutely.  Think I posted earlier on in the thread how we had won more European games in this last decade (when for the most part we weren't very good) than they have in their entire history.

 

 

We've also won more European silverware in the last 12 months than they have in their entire history. Yes I am including the Super Cup because fuck them. 

[Harry Squatter]

1 hour ago, No2 said:

Good read that and shows the importance of getting transfers right. They smell of Leeds Mark II if uncle Ussy isn't the real deal.

Fella on there reckons they will get 140m for Richarlison and 80 for Digne. And they call us deluded.

[dockers_strike]

16 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Bar the trophy they won in 1985 Everton have probably got one of the worst records in Europe out of all the English clubs who've competed since the 1950s. 

Exactly. Apart from the season they won the Cup Winners Cup, their European record is appalling. 1970, knocked out of the European Cup by Panathinakios. Hardly anyone got knocked out bu a Greek side in those days never mind the then English Champions boasting the golden vision triumphate!

[Ron B]

38 minutes ago, No2 said:

All joking aside if the esk is right they are fucked. They can't trade their way out by buying and selling players, Bolasie, Tosun and Sandro were still on his spread sheet. Nobody wants under performing, over paid players. They have 2 saleable assets in Richarlison and Digne but that turns them into relegation candidates straight away. They have no one else that is worth the wage their on, maybe Holgate and Calvert Lewin but the only teams they would get into play in the championship. The only thing they have going for them is WBA and Fulham are shit so its only 1 place to avoid next year, the year after though?

 

The banks calling in the loans looks a lot more likely that competing near the top 4.

Even taking our red-tinted spectacles off for a moment...

They’ve got some tolerable players who could doubtless do a fair job for the right club and within the right set-up. Sigurðsson was a waste of cash for Everton, but he’s been decent for Swansea and Iceland; Keane was good at Burnley; Kean scored twice in three games for Italy and didn’t look out of place for Juventus: and whilst Pickford appears to have become a short-armed version of David James (without the y-fronts modelling contact of course) it’s only a couple of years since he had a really decent World Cup. 
Unfortunately for them, any side with a decent recruitment network is going to sidestep the chance of buying Everton’s squad players and reserves because they’re on silly money and will be vastly overpriced even if Everton take a loss on what they (over)paid in the first place. You could do far better if you signed from a Championship or foreign side, and you’ll certainly pay less. 
What they really need is a club with a British manager obsessed with signing British players (or at least those with Premier League experience), whose scouting network is dreadful, and who can’t manage their own finances properly. If a club like that came along and bought Everton’s dregs, maybe they’d have a chance to start building from scratch. 
The question is: What sort of club would employ a manager that shit?

[Harry Squatter]

20 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Exactly. Apart from the season they won the Cup Winners Cup, their European record is appalling. 1970, knocked out of the European Cup by Panathinakios. Hardly anyone got knocked out bu a Greek side in those days never mind the then English Champions boasting the golden vision triumphate!

Remember my Dad telling me about that, all Evertonians shouting their mouths off saying the Greeks only talent was owning chip shops. 

 

Playing the mighty University College of Dublin, Inter Bratislava and Fortuna Sittard in 1985. 

 

Add the going out of Europe twice in one month in 2005 and getting battered 5-1 at home by a club who had never win away in Europe too!.

 

Yet their fans would have you believe they would have dominated Europe if English clubs hadn't been banned.

[Red_or_Dead]

17 minutes ago, Doctor Troy said:

Remember my Dad telling me about that, all Evertonians shouting their mouths off saying the Greeks only talent was owning chip shops. 

 

Playing the mighty University College of Dublin, Inter Bratislava and Fortuna Sittard in 1985. 

 

Add the going out of Europe twice in one month in 2005 and getting battered 5-1 at home by a club who had never win away in Europe too!.

 

Yet their fans would have you believe they would have dominated Europe if English clubs hadn't been banned.

But But But!

 

That's all OUR FAULT you know!

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, Elite said:

European giant? They aren't even a Merseyside giant.

 

Fucking baffling the fantasy world they live in.

Some might say they're not even a giant in their postcode. 

3 hours ago, Anubis said:

GOT responds....

 

 

 

sharkey1001

Player Valuation: £10m

Today at 1:05 PM

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• #22,112

Stephenlloyd said:

In Ancelotti’s last 4 or 5 interviews, he’s talked about the ambition of the club and owner and wanting to fight for titles. We ain’t doing that on free’s and loans.

also he said we didn’t have to sell to buy.
Obviously he’s talked to Moshiri. Brands and maybe Usmanov. But he’s In for a shock when he sits down with theEsk and gets the true facts.

Don't listen to his podcasts, he personifies doom and gloom. Said the same last year that we haven't a pot to pi$$ in and we Kean, Iwobi, Gbamin, Gomes and Delph... without getting rid of our garbage (Sandro, Bolasie, Tosun, Besic, Garbutt, Niasse, Martina, etc). 

As if Carlo, who had plans to take a break from the game, decided to jump back in with the promise of sell to buy, and work is magic on turning Tom Davies into Pirlo, Theo Walcott into an actual winger who does anything productive and Gylfi Sigurdsson into a box-to-box midfield general. LOL.

Carlo will get £100m+ - i have no doubt about it. We have already saved £20m a year in wages getting rid of some of the garbage. Keep the faith; ignore the Esk - the man hasn't a clue!

It amuses me they might not have thought ancelotti doesn't really give a shit and he's there for the 11.5m wages he's earning and the 2.5m he got for keeping them up. And if they don't buy anyone, continue to be shite and decide to bullet him, they'd need to pay at least 12 months of his contract. So let's say it's gone to shit by Christmas and they want rid, he'd have earned his 11.5m salary, his 2.5m bonus and would likely be due a 11.5m pay off. So 25.5m for 12 months work. If I was ancelotti I'd be praying for as little money as possible. 

3 hours ago, davelfc* said:

Strange that Arsenal announce 55 redundancies and say;

 

“Our main sources of income have all reduced significantly,” Venkatesem and Sanllehi said. “Revenue from broadcasters, matchday and commercial activities have all been hit severely and these impacts will continue into at least the forthcoming 2020-21 season.

“We all hope there will be no ‘second wave’ but we also need to accept that is one of the many uncertainties ahead of us and plan accordingly. "

 

Surely NOW is the time for Moshiri to tell the fans that the stadium will have to go on hold, now is not the time. Just as we put our Anfield Road rebuild on hold. I know why he won't do that, it just seems daft because the longer he leaves it the worse it will be. 

 

I don't give a shiny shite if they build their new stadium, they've had their hopes dashed many times before. They probably deserve one and it won't affect me if they get it, so good luck to them. But any responsible owner (especially one with such a history in accounting) should already know it's not likely to happen any time soon. Plus throwing any new money in just throws them ever deeper in his debt. 

 

They'd have a more realistic chance if they bought a euromillions ticket each week. 

 

The stadium should be financed in a way it has fuck all to do with covid, is self financing and is outside ffp regs, so I don't see the issue aside from I e never thought they'd be able to borrow the money. If they're serious about doing it, it would be a massive mistake to stop now, it'll never be cheaper to do it again. 

[Davelfc]

3 minutes ago, The Gaul said:

 

The stadium should be financed in a way it has fuck all to do with covid, is self financing and is outside ffp regs, so I don't see the issue aside from I e never thought they'd be able to borrow the money. If they're serious about doing it, it would be a massive mistake to stop now, it'll never be cheaper to do it again. 

 

They struggled to find financing for it before the covid, I don't think it's going to be any easier now. Plus they're going to have to find £20m or more a season to make the payments on the finance. This along with taking out more loans and have the premiership finished their investigation into the USA money yet?

 

The unicorn stadium wasn't happening before and it may as well get planning permission on Mars now.

[dylstar]

44 minutes ago, davelfc* said:

 

 

The unicorn stadium wasn't happening before and it may as well get planning permission on MARS now.

As if they'd build the new stadium on a Red planet 

[A Red]

3 hours ago, dockers_strike said:

Exactly. Apart from the season they won the Cup Winners Cup, their European record is appalling. 1970, knocked out of the European Cup by Panathinakios. Hardly anyone got knocked out bu a Greek side in those days never mind the then English Champions boasting the golden vision triumphate!

To be fair, Panathinakios did reach the final the next year

[Davelfc]

16 minutes ago, dylstar said:

As if they'd build the new stadium on a Red planet 

Oh I don't know, cold harsh environment with very little atmosphere. Although there's been more activity recently on Mars than Bramley Moore. Maybe the bitters should launch a rover to BM. 

 

[Vincent Vega]

I imagine a lot of their borrowing has been based on future tv rights. The world has changed due to Covid, and those rights will almost certainly be less lucrative than before. I read last week that Sky have had a drop in revenue of £700m in the first half of this year, for various factors but chiefly due to the huge amount of customers cancelling their sports subscriptions once they had no sport to show. With mass job losses on the horizon there are going to be millions of people here and abroad who won’t have the money to pay to watch for subscriptions. 
 

I don’t see how they get to borrow more money for a new stadium.